Democracy Sub Continent and China

[Tiki Tam Tam]

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Originally Posted by ddrbdgzy View Post
you can speak your view, but you have no rights to remark the bankruptcy of CPC , and i must say every institution has its advantage and disadvantage. however, the fact is india always claimed that it is the largest democratic country in the world, but what they got? only a noun of "democracy" and an attitude of "cold-war", if your india open your eyes, compared india with china, you can find a true results.

Why do we Indians have to compare our country to China? You think economic prosperity is the sole desire of human beings? Do you think religious and cultural development is unnecessary? What makes you think modernity and economic growth is entirely synonymous with concrete superstructures? We are happy with our country and the way it is going ahead; we do not want to compare ourselves with the PRC. India's greatest strength is and will be its democracy. Be rest assured we will be a developed nation within the next century. And when I say "developed," I mean development that is not merely economic, but social, cultural, political, and human.

The problem with China is there are infinite checks on how far you can go ahead and criticise the government and its policies, regardless of whether the government or its policies are right or wrong. If you think we are against China, we are not. What we are against is the CCP and its dominance over the mind and soul of China and Chinese. Why do most Chinese forget that China is much more than the CCP? Further, merely because we criticize and question the CCP and its policies, why is it that you assume we are anti-China and biased? This, along with your comments quoted above, is ample proof of your intellectual maturity. CCP is a bankrupt institution that is "ruling" China by virtue of propaganda and farce.

When the CCP was staying true to its roots (communism), China was amongst the lesser developed countries of the world. Only when the CCP embraced capitalism (which by virtue is a "democratic economy"), there took place a "rise" of China. If the CCP believes that what it has done has been good for China and its citizens than why is it so afraid to contest free elections, and establish its popularity?

By the way, democracy is the only solution to Pakistan’s problems; this is not my view, it is the view of millions of Pakistanis who voted for the candidates they wanted to get elected. The only thing that Pakistanis and their army have to realize is that patience is one of the primary requirements of democracy.

There has been must debate on this initiated by Ddxbryz and this is one of the reply on which we can start.

Democracy, in a nut shell means "By the People, for the People and Of the People".

Both India and Pakistan have and are Democracies. India has had an uninterrupted stint of democracy while Pakistan has had interruptions.

Indians may have been laid back to accept what comes there way, while Pakistan may have demanded a proper governance. Each to their own ways.

In comparison, China has had one totalitarian regime that has no methodology for the citizens to exercise their choice. The State decides what is good for them and thus a parent - infant equation is there for the Chinese young and ageing adults. Fair enough.

However, what is followed by China is not ' for the People, of the People and By the People' and therefore Ddzryzx is incorrect to feel that China has a democracy. I will concede it has a totalitarian regime that dictate the will of the govt over the will of the people.

I will also refrain for the moment as to whether it is good or not good.

I will only comment that it is a question of mindset. Some like to be dictated and spoon-fed and some like to etch out their own destiny and Pakistan has done it recently! Have they done the right thing? None can tell excepting time.

Whether it works out or not, at least the feeling that they are the Masters of their Soul and Captains of their Fate, as in India and Pakistan (if one goes by the media and some posts here), is an exhilarating feeling and a breath of freedom as human beings. It is a great feeling that none who have not experienced it can understand.

China , right now, is in a unusual state. It has abandoned Mao and all Communist principles and instead has adopted the Communist hated Capitalist form of economy. And worse, is that the Chinese people, deprived of the ''goodies'' of capitalism has gone crazy over Capitalist wonders like crass commercialism. Today, an international brand command greater respect than an equally comparable, but cheaper Chinese product.

The differences between the have and havenots are a chasm.

Therefore, to compare Pakistan and India to China is as good as comparing chalk to cheese and claiming that they are same.

Democracy and Totalitarianism are and can never be the same.

It is like comparing humans to robots, even though robots maybe more efficient.

Sadly, robots have no mind of their own.

Humans do!

 

[vish]

I came across this link through the WAB.

It talks about democracy and republicanism in ancient India (modern day nation states of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh).

Democracy in Ancient India

No wonder the inhabitants of the sub-continent are so pro-democracy.

Further, there is one thing I've always sought a clarification on. If the CCP has managed to bring peace, prosperity, and happiness to millions of Chinese, what is it that stops them from contesting free and fair multi-party elections and shutting-up their critics once and for all? I mean the CCP would win the elections, won't it?

 

[ddrbdgzy]

yeah, CHINA has his tradition, and china has difference from india in many fields, we chinese still love peace, prosperity, welfare and democracy, but i think it is not a simple thing which can be done one day. so there still exists corruption and many questions in china, and we have not achieve the task of direct election universal. but we are do our best, and i do not think CCP dislike democracy, if you are a chinese people, you will know democracy is important to us, however it needs a process, the development of economy, social welfare, education, and steady is still important to us.
we hate corruption, we love democracy, but we will never copy other country's style ,we will go our way which most suitable for us.

 

[vish]

yeah, CHINA has his tradition, and china has difference from india in many fields, we chinese still love peace, prosperity, welfare and democracy, but i think it is not a simple thing which can be done one day. so there still exists corruption and many questions in china, and we have not achieve the task of direct election universal. but we are do our best, and i do not think CCP dislike democracy, if you are a chinese people, you will know democracy is important to us, however it needs a process, the development of economy, social welfare, education, and steady is still important to us.
we hate corruption, we love democracy, but we will never copy other country's style ,we will go our way which most suitable for us.

Excellent post...

But we (the outside world) has seen no signs of CCP favoring democracy or "opening up."

 

[ddrbdgzy]

vish: that is your view, you can keep that, but i have a different view with you. although that, we still are friends

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Vish,

China has for a long time followed Legalism and indoctrinated, if you wish, in the idea of a regulated society controlled by whoever is in power.

And they actually prefer to be regulated in their thoughts and deeds, rather than have the democracy that the rest of the world follows wherein the individual and his right is paramount.

In China, because of the Legalism mindset, the State or the Ruler is paramount. Something like the "Mai Ba.ap" concept that the villagers had towards the head of the village or King or govt during the feudal and the British times.

The Headman/ feudal satrap/ Govt knows best what is good for you!

This mindset allowed the British to rule India successfully, even though they were but a handful and no more. Benevolent dictatorship in a manner of speaking.