Democracy in China? Depends on the outcome....

[gambit]

If Japanese emperor is not politically affiliated, why does he meet foreign political leaders regularly ?

Like our Japanese member said that the Emperor is head of state, so I will elaborate a bit more.

The 'head of state' could be a hereditary monarchy, or politically elected like a President. The 'head of government' is the office that actually manages the institutions and functions of the government, such as Department/Ministry of Defense or Department of State or Ministry of Finance, and so on.

For example...

- France's head of state is the President who is Francois Hollande and head of government is Prime Minister Manuel Valls.

- Spain's head of state is King Felipe VI and head of government is Mariano Rajoy.

There are exceptions...

- The United States of America's head of state and head of government is President Barack Obama.

- The Swiss Confederation's head of state and head of government is the Federal Council. So even though the President of the Swiss Confederation is Didier Burkhalter, because the position is annually rotated among the council members, it make the Federal Council technically the head of state and head of government for the Swiss. In this respect, the President of the Swiss Confederation is non-democratically elected.

So when you have a clear distinction of offices and roles, the head of state should always be above the political playground. He/she represents the entire nation regardless of the amount of political parties and conflicts among them.

 

[Zsari]

Rule of law and democracy are two separate concepts, one can have democracy without the rule of law, and one can also have rule of law without democracy. Democracy is majority rule, simple as that. Don't put too much additives to it, as most of these additives, or what many today mistaken as part of democracy can be implemented independently.

 

[Jlaw]

Rule of law and democracy are two separate concepts, one can have democracy without the rule of law, and one can also have rule of law without democracy. Democracy is majority rule, simple as that. Don't put too much additives to it, as most of these additives, or what many today mistaken as part of democracy can be implemented independently.

True. Democracy is a joke. You get elected because you say the right thing at the right time or maybe you're a former actor.
But it doesnt mean you are the best man for the job.

Meritocracy in Chinese system is what separate us and them. Nothing to do with democracy or dictatorship. It's something the west want us to change because they fear our leader's competency. Year after year, the western leaders left or right are *** clowns elected for Jimmy Fallon's late night skit. You can take the weakest Chinese leader in the past 40 years and he is still more successful than these elected western clowns.

The last time China had a "democratic" leader was that clown Chiang. We know how "well" he ran China.

 

[Aepsilons]

True. Democracy is a joke. You get elected because you say the right thing at the right time or maybe you're a former actor.
But it doesnt mean you are the best man for the job.

Meritocracy in Chinese system is what separate us and them. Nothing to do with democracy or dictatorship. It's something the west want us to change because they fear our leader's competency. Year after year, the western leaders left or right are *** clowns elected for Jimmy Fallon's late night skit. You can take the weakest Chinese leader in the past 40 years and he is still more successful than these elected western clowns.

The last time China had a "democratic" leader was that clown Chiang. We know how "well" he ran China.

One of the greatest western-educated, western-influenced Chinese leader was Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

 

[Jlaw]

One of the greatest western-educated, western-influenced Chinese leader was Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

I heard of him, but being western educated does not mean you are fit to run a country or mean that you are intelligent. George Bush graduated from Yale...

And SYS is too heavily influenced by the west and is often painted in positive view by western media would make me think he would make China a puppet of the west IF he had succeeded.

 

[Zsari]

One of the greatest western-educated, western-influenced Chinese leader was Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

Sun was an idealist, and did not manage the nation well at all. BTW he was "elected" by a 43 member election committee appointed by warlords of different region. As the result he never brought the warlords under control, where Chiang on the other hand has actually done better.

 

[Aepsilons]

I heard of him, but being western educated does not mean you are fit to run a country or mean that you are intelligent. George Bush graduated from Yale...

And SYS is too heavily influenced by the west and is often painted in positive view by western media would make me think he would make China a puppet of the west IF he had succeeded.

Dr. Sun Yat Sen is the Father of Modern China. He's not only revered by KMT, but CPC. Even in Japan he is considered 'Father' of modern China.Had he lived, or had his successors even been half the man he was, China would never have been put in the situation she was in. In fact, had Dr. Sun Yat Sen lived, I don't think Japan would have foolishly warred with China at all. Chiang Kai Shek was weak , not even 1/10th the caliber of Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

 

[gambit]

True. Democracy is a joke. You get elected because you say the right thing at the right time or maybe you're a former actor.
But it doesnt mean you are the best man for the job.

Meritocracy in Chinese system is what separate us and them. Nothing to do with democracy or dictatorship. It's something the west want us to change because they fear our leader's competency. Year after year, the western leaders left or right are *** clowns elected for Jimmy Fallon's late night skit. You can take the weakest Chinese leader in the past 40 years and he is still more successful than these elected western clowns.

The last time China had a "democratic" leader was that clown Chiang. We know how "well" he ran China.

You mean power via bullets is better ? Killed enough of the opposition will make you a better leader ? Last time I checked, even China had to admit The Great Leap Forward and The Cultural Revolution were epic disasters. I guess instead of saying the right thing at the right time, the Chinese way is to use the right caliber at the right body part.

90% Of China’s Super-Rich Want To Send Children Abroad

Western media have reported that Xi Mingze, the daughter of Xi Jinping, who is widely expected to become the new president of China and chairman of its Communist Party, is studying at Harvard University under an assumed name. (The university hasn't confirmed to the International Business Times that she indeed studies there.)

Do explain to us how is little miss Mingze is the best 'man' for the job, democratically or not.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I heard of him, but being western educated does not mean you are fit to run a country or mean that you are intelligent. George Bush graduated from Yale...

And SYS is too heavily influenced by the west and is often painted in positive view by western media would make me think he would make China a puppet of the west IF he had succeeded.

He was nowhere good as Mao when it came to protect China's sovereignty and to unify China as one piece.

 

[Aepsilons]

He was nowhere good as Mao when it came to protect China's sovereignty and to unify China as one piece.

He is also known as 革命先行者 , even the Constitution of the PRC mentions him by name. Refer to him as 國父　孫中山先生.

He was the proto-socialist democrat, and what historians will note is his staunch anti-Imperialist position. He not only was against the Qing Dynasty, but even against the short lived Chinese Empire heralded by Yuan Shikai. Dr. Sun had the wisdom in seeing the necessity of finding a democratic path, instead of one of an autocracy.

We Japanese see him as the equivalent of the Meiji Emperor -- in terms of foresight and quest to modernize the nation. If only Dr. Sun had lived to see his goals come to fruition, no doubt he would have been able to unify the entire nation. The war with Japan would have never happened, i believe. And China would most probably have industrialized.

 

[Zsari]

Do explain to us how is little miss Mingze is the best 'man' for the job, democratically or not.

The daughter of Xi is expected to become the new president of China? Is that a joke? No, if Xi intend his daughter to stay in politics then he needs to place her at the ground level and at the heart of the communist party organ. Instead like many family members of the retired Chinese leadership, they all get into business, making billions, while staying away from politics.

 

[gambit]

The daughter of Xi is expected to become the new president of China? Is that a joke? No, if Xi intend his daughter to stay in politics then he needs to place her at the ground level and at the heart of the communist party organ. Instead like many family members of the retired Chinese leadership, they all get into business, making billions, while staying away from politics.

Now THAT is a joke. It is THE joke.

Your own social critics, from ordinary citizens to intellectuals, admitted that China is a kleptocracy. In China, it is practically irresistible and impossible to stay away from politics if you are in business and even less possible to stay away if you are a family member of a Party official.

 

[Zsari]

Now THAT is a joke. It is THE joke.

Your own social critics, from ordinary citizens to intellectuals, admitted that China is a kleptocracy. In China, it is practically irresistible and impossible to stay away from politics if you are in business and even less possible to stay away if you are a family member of a Party official.

In China, politics controls business, and when you are running a business, you are being controlled rather than being the controlling party. When her dad retires, Miss Xi while most likely be safe from persecution/prosecution herself will have no political string to pull, just as Jiang's son can only watch when his business partners are being the target of government investigation.

We Japanese see him as the equivalent of the Meiji Emperor -- in terms of foresight and quest to modernize the nation. If only Dr. Sun had lived to see his goals come to fruition, no doubt he would have been able to unify the entire nation. The war with Japan would have never happened, i believe. And China would most probably have industrialized.

If only Sun can achieve his goal for he has no power. His role is a ceremonial one. Don't take it too seriously. War with Japan was bond to happen as Japanese expansion has already breached Korea and will not be stopped regardless who is in power in China. Not even the US was able to avoid being attacked.

 

[gambit]

In China, politics controls business, and when you are running a business, you are being controlled rather than being the controlling party. When her dad retires, Miss Xi while most likely be safe from persecution/prosecution herself will have no political string to pull, just as Jiang's son can only watch when his business partners are being the target of government investigation.

How naive are you about your China ? Looks like plenty.

No relationship is ever completely one-way, not even under/in a totalitarian state, and your China is authoritarian, not totalitarian. That means business leaders have some degrees of freedom of movements, up-down, left-right, and in-out. The more freedoms they have, the more China's politicians relies on them to get things done, and reliance equals to strings, buddy.

 

[Jlaw]

You mean power via bullets is better ? Killed enough of the opposition will make you a better leader ? Last time I checked, even China had to admit The Great Leap Forward and The Cultural Revolution were epic disasters. I guess instead of saying the right thing at the right time, the Chinese way is to use the right caliber at the right body part.

90% Of China’s Super-Rich Want To Send Children Abroad

Do explain to us how is little miss Mingze is the best 'man' for the job, democratically or not.

A typical viet always using one news article.
Who the **** said Xi's daughter will be next president retard?

Go troll someone else, you're not at my level old man

He is also known as 革命先行者 , even the Constitution of the PRC mentions him by name. Refer to him as 國父　孫中山先生.

He was the proto-socialist democrat, and what historians will note is his staunch anti-Imperialist position. He not only was against the Qing Dynasty, but even against the short lived Chinese Empire heralded by Yuan Shikai. Dr. Sun had the wisdom in seeing the necessity of finding a democratic path, instead of one of an autocracy.

We Japanese see him as the equivalent of the Meiji Emperor -- in terms of foresight and quest to modernize the nation. If only Dr. Sun had lived to see his goals come to fruition, no doubt he would have been able to unify the entire nation. The war with Japan would have never happened, i believe. And China would most probably have industrialized.

Could have would have. In this universe he never succeed so any theory presented is as good as any other.