Demand PTI to suppot LONG MARCH

[ajpirzada]

well to implement the article 62, 63, 218 and 'People's representative act' you cannot wait for after elections. you have to get them implemented before the elections.

 

[Jango]

well to implement the article 62, 63, 218 and 'People's representative act' you cannot wait for after elections. you have to get them implemented before the elections.

218 is referring to formation of ECP and it's function. Isn't there a impartial and agreed upon Chief election commissioner in place already?

 

[Ali.009]

Imran khan worries that if long march is successful he will not be able to run for elections, he only cares for his seats in parliament

 

[Sugarcane]

Imran khan worries that if long march is successful he will not be able to run for elections, he only cares for his seats in parliament

TuQ's agenda is to delay elections for 2-3 years and form govt. of Technocrats. Imran Khan think that election should be on time as he is confident about his win.

 

[ajpirzada]

218 is referring to formation of ECP and it's function. Isn't there a impartial and agreed upon Chief election commissioner in place already?

and it's functions are further elaborated in the Peoples Representative Act 1976.. This act further states what exactly are considered to be corrupt practices, dishonesty etc as demanded in the article 62 and 63. Eg. It states that tax evaders, defaulters on loans and utility bills etc should not be allowed to contest elections.

Furthermore, there is consensus on CEC but apparently the other 4 members of ECP are implicit political appointees thus restricting the independence of ECP. No decision can be taken without the approval of atleast 2 of the 4 politcal appointees each of whom belong to one of the provinces.

so all this needs to be corrected if a free and fair election is to be ensured in spirit of the constitution.

 

[darkinsky]

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[ajpirzada]

Imran khan worries that if long march is successful he will not be able to run for elections, he only cares for his seats in parliament

i dont think this march - successful or not - will in anyway effect the standing of IK. It only would have harmed him if Dr Qadri was planning to contest elections which he is not.
on the other hand, if the current lot of politicians, who should be disqualified as per the electoral rules, are not allowed to contest in the elections then IK will actually benefit from the Electoral Reforms agenda of Dr. Qadri.

 

[Jango]

and it's functions are further elaborated in the Peoples Representative Act 1976.. This act further states what exactly are considered to be corrupt practices, dishonesty etc as demanded in the article 62 and 63. Eg. It states that tax evaders, defaulters on loans and utility bills etc should not be allowed to contest elections.

Furthermore, there is consensus on CEC but apparently the other 4 members of ECP are implicit political appointees thus restricting the independence of ECP. No decision can be taken without the approval of atleast 2 of the 4 politcal appointees each of whom belong to one of the provinces.

so all this needs to be corrected if a free and fair election is to be ensured in spirit of the constitution.

That is going to come after a dialogue with the parties, and also by taking into confidence PTI which is actually going to contest the elections.

Not by doing needless long marches. The lahore jalsa was enough to garner public support and announce yourself on the scene. Then they may have sat down with the govt. and done something.

The next couple of days will further clarify the situation IMO, after TUQ further elaborates his plans in Isl.

 

[ajpirzada]

That is going to come after a dialogue with the parties, and also by taking into confidence PTI which is actually going to contest the elections.

Not by doing needless long marches. The lahore jalsa was enough to garner public support and announce yourself on the scene. Then they may have sat down with the govt. and done something.

The next couple of days will further clarify the situation IMO, after TUQ further elaborates his plans in Isl.

i do not think that the ruling parties would implement these constitutional clauses without any long march. its not in their benefit to do such a thing. consultations are needed if u intend to implement reforms but for the enforcement of existing laws no large scale consultation is necessary.
its similar to the case of the restoration of judiciary, media freedom and other bodies getting their rights enforced through protest and marches. there is no other way in my view but to come on the streets in a peaceful way and force the government to enforce the laws.

 

[RazorMC]

Just saw some media coverage showing several trucks loaded with people heading to Islamabad but I don't see any major changes coming from this.
Many people are questioning Tahir sahab's anti-corruption agenda while he seeks PML(Q) support for the long march.
Why is prepared to rub shoulders with the very people he is trying to oust from the Assemblies?

Good thing PTI stayed out of this confused mess of affairs.

... there is no other way in my view but to come on the streets in a peaceful way and force the government to enforce the laws.

Yeah, but judiciary and the media issues had overwhelming public support.
Tahir ul-Qadri, on the other hand, does not enjoy the same level of support from the civil society and the media itself seems wary of TMQP's timing and undecided agenda.

 

[Slav Defence]

PTI is losing ground. They are just playing watch and see rule. If he is agree with Dr tahir agenda, then he should come in long march, this is need of the hour, otherwise again after election, when huge rigging will come in place, then people will shout about jagidaar, wadiara and election system.
while still Dr tahir have ability for million march without help of any political party. He contains million of fans here.

Dr Tahir's agenda for long march isn't bad...he demands strictly for application of article 63,64 according to which:

A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if:- (a) he is of unsound mind and has been so declared by a competent court; or
(b) he is an undischarged insolvent; or
(c) he ceases to be a citizen of Pakistan, or acquires the citizenship of a foreign State; or
(d) he holds an office of profit in the service of Pakistan other than an office declared by law not to disqualify its holder; or
(e) he is in the service of any statutory body or any body which is owned or controlled by the Government or in which the Government has a controlling share or interest; or
(f) being a citizen of Pakistan by virtue of section 14B of the Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951 (II of 1951), he is for the time being disqualified under any law in force in Azad Jammu and Kashmir from being elected as a member of the Legislative Assembly of Azad Jammu and Kashmir; or
(g) he has been convicted by a court of competent jurisdiction for propagating any opinion, or acting in any manner, prejudicial to the ideology of Pakistan, or the sovereignty, integrity or security of Pakistan, or morality, or the maintenance of public order, or the integrity or independence of the judiciary of Pakistan, or which defames or brings into ridicule the judiciary or the Armed Forces of Pakistan, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release; or
(h) he has been, on conviction for any offence involving moral turpitude, senteced to imprisonment for a term of not less than two years, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release; or
(i) he has been dismissed from the service of Pakistan or service of a corporation or office set up or, controlled, by the Federal Government, Provincial Government or a Local Government on the grounds of misconduct, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his dismissal; or
(j) he has been removed or compulsorily retired from the service of Pakistan or service of a corporation or office set up or controlled by the Federal Government, Provincial Government or a Local Government on the ground of misconduct, unless a period of three years has elapsed since his removal or compulsory retirement; or
(k) he has been in the service of Pakistan or of any statutory body or any body which is owned or controlled by the Government or in which the Government has a controlling share or interest, unless a period of two years has elapsed since he ceased to be in such service; or
(l) he, whether by himself or by any person or body of persons in trust for him or for his benefit or on his account or as a member of a Hindu undivided family, has any share or interest in a contract, not being a contract between a cooperative society and Government, for the supply of goods to, or for the execution of any contract or for the performance of any service undertaken by, Government:

Provided that the disqualification under this paragraph shall not apply to a person- (i) where the share or interest in the contract devolves on him by inheritance or succession or as a legatee, executor or administrator, until the expiration of six months after it has so devolved on him;
(ii) where the contract has been entered into by or on behalf of a public company as defined in the Companies Ordinance, 1984 (XLVII of 1984), of which he is a share-holder but is not a director holding an office of profit under the company; or
(iii) where he is a member of a Hindu undivided family and the contract has been entered into by any other member of that family in the course of carrying on a separate business in which he has no share or interest; or

Explanation.- In this Article "goods" does not include agricultural produce or commodity grown or produced by him or such goods as he is, under any directive of Government or any law for the time being in force, under a duty or obligation to supply.
(m) he holds any office of profit in the service of Pakistan other than the following offices, namely :- (i) an office which is not whole time office remunerated either by salary or by fee;
(ii) the office of Lumbardar, whether called by this or any other title;
(iii) the Qaumi Razakars;
(iv) any office the holder whereof, by virtue of such office, is liable to be called up for military training or military service under any law providing for the constitution or raising of a Force; or

(n) he has obtained a loan for an amount of two million rupees or more, from any bank, financial institution, cooperative society or cooperative body in his own name or in the name of his spouse or any of his dependents, which remains unpaid for more than one year from the due date, or has got such loan written off; or
(o) he or his spouse or any of his dependents has defaulted in payment of government dues and utility expenses, including telephone, electricity, gas and water charges in excess of ten thousand rupees, for over six months, at the time of filing his nomination papers; or
(p) he is for the time being disqualified from being elected or chosen as a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) or of a Provincial Assembly under any law for the time being in force.
For the purposes of this paragraph "law" shall not include an Ordinance promulgated under Article 89 or Article 128.


(2) If any question arises whether a member of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) has become disqualified from being a member, the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman shall, unless he decides that no such question has arisen, refer the question to the Election Commission within thirty days and should he fail to do so within the aforesaid period it shall be deemed to have been referred to the Election Comission.

(3) The Election Commission shall decide the question within ninety days from its receipt or deemed to have been received and if it is of the opinion that the member has become disqualified, he shall cease to be a member and his seat shall become vacant.]

[63C]
[63A. Disqualification on grounds of defection, etc.
(1) If a member of a Parliamentary Party composed of a single political party in a House- (a) resigns from membership of his political party or joins another Parliamentary Party; or
(b) votes or abstains from voting in the House contrary to any direction issued by the Parliamentary Party to which he belongs, in relations to- (i) election of the Prime Minister or the Chief Minister; or
(ii) a vote of confidence or a vote of no-confidence; or
(iii) a Money Bill or a Constitution (Amendment) Bill;

he may be declared in writing by the Party Head to have defected from the political party, and the Head of the Parliamentary Party may forward a copy of the declaration to the Presiding Officer, and shall similarly forward a copy thereof to the member concerned:
Provided that before making the declaration, the Party Head shall provide such member with an opportunity to show cause as to why such declaration may not be made against him.
"Party Head" means any person, by whatever name called, declared as such by the Party.

(2) A member of a House shall be deemed to be a member of a Parliamentary Party if he having been elected as a candidate or nominee of a political party which constitutes the Parliamentary Party in the House or, having been elected otherwise than as a candidate or nominee of a political party, has become a member of such Parliamentary Party after such election by means of a declaration in writing.

(3) Upon receipt of the declaration under clause (1), the Presiding Officer of the House shall within two days refer the declaration to the Chief Election Commissioner who shall lay the declaration before the Election Commission for its decision thereon confirming the declaration or otherwise within thirty days of its receipt by the Chief Election Commissioner.

(4) Where the Election Commission confirms the declaration, the member referred to in clause (1) shall cease to be a member of the House and his seat shall become vacant.

(5) Any party aggrieved by the decision of the Election Commission may within thirty days, prefer an appeal to the Supreme Court which shall decide the matter within ninety days from the date of the filing of the appeal.

(6) Nothing contained in this Article shall apply to the Chairman or Speaker of a House.

(7) For the purpose of this Article - (a) "House" means the National Assembly or the Senate in relation to the Federation and a Provincial Assembly in relation to the Province, as the case may be.
(b) "Presiding Officer" means the Speaker of the National Assembly, the Chairman of the Senate or the Speaker of the Provincial Assembly, as the case may be.


(8) Article 63A substituted as aforesaid shall come into effect from the next general elections to be held after the commencement of the Constitution (Eighteenth Amendment) Act, 2010:
Provided that till Article 63A substituted as aforesaid comes into effect the provisions of [63C]existing Article 63A shall remain operative.


64. Vacation of seats.
(1) A Member of [66][Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] may, by writing under his hand addressed to the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman resign his seat, and thereupon his seat shall become vacant.

(2) A House may declare the seat of a member vacant if, without leave of the House, he remains absent for forty consecutive days of its sittings

But unfortunately the supporting party MQM is itself is not eligible for article 63 and 64 not even other parties...I think PTI might fulfil the criteria of these articles 63 and 64,but what to say about Imran's scandals about Maryam Nawaz? if prooved, then Imran Khan will also loose his eligibilty for selection!

 

[Slav Defence]

Just saw some media coverage showing several trucks loaded with people heading to Islamabad but I don't see any major changes coming from this.
Many people are questioning Tahir sahab's anti-corruption agenda while he seeks PML(Q) support for the long march.
Why is prepared to rub shoulders with the very people he is trying to oust from the Assemblies?

Good thing PTI stayed out of this confused mess of affairs.



Yeah, but judiciary and the media issues had overwhelming public support.
Tahir ul-Qadri, on the other hand, does not enjoy the same level of support from the civil society and the media itself seems wary of TMQP's timing and undecided agenda.

I wonder that Tahir ul Qadri is supported by such parties against whom HE IS CARRYING HIS long march!AND STILL OUR PUBLIC IS EXPECTING A REFORM?DO YOU THINK THAT HIS MARCH WILL BRING FRUITFUL RESULTS?ANOTHER WASTEAGE OF TIME,MONEY AND WORDS!

 

[Jango]

i do not think that the ruling parties would implement these constitutional clauses without any long march. its not in their benefit to do such a thing. consultations are needed if u intend to implement reforms but for the enforcement of existing laws no large scale consultation is necessary.
its similar to the case of the restoration of judiciary, media freedom and other bodies getting their rights enforced through protest and marches. there is no other way in my view but to come on the streets in a peaceful way and force the government to enforce the laws.

Judiciary case was very much different than this. Judges were overthrown by a dictator and the media was the moving force behind the movement along with lawyers. In this case the media is not pro but rather anti.

As I said before, the real results will begin to show after a couple of days, whether the march is successful or not.

At the moment, I still believe nothing will happen.

 

[Khalidr]

Why TUQ is having MQM in his long march if this march is against corruption, and same applies to PML-Q. Our peoples are stupid enough to follow this TUQ, from where the hell he came, where he was before when the same parties were looting the country and selling our home land. Just another crap...IK is best as he got plan and agenda for Pakistan.

 

[ajpirzada]

Judiciary case was very much different than this. Judges were overthrown by a dictator and the media was the moving force behind the movement along with lawyers. In this case the media is not pro but rather anti.

As I said before, the real results will begin to show after a couple of days, whether the march is successful or not.

At the moment, I still believe nothing will happen.

indeed. but that is the fault of the media not of Dr Qadri. If the previous long march was for the restoration of judges, then this march is for the restoration of electoral laws. it is sad that people have not come forward to support this cause as they had before.

and i find it flawed to support something based on the results rather than based on the agenda. Im supporting his agenda irrespective of the success or failure which will follow.