Delhi rocks by Blasts

[comrade zorgan]

There is no need blaming our neibhours,they face simmilar problem.This might be work of BJP,because 1.How the hell Modi know of the blasts in advance? 2.Who is benifited by such incidents?(Ans-BJP,as this adds fuel to their "hate muslim politics",now they can bag a lot of hindu votes,with Delhi assemply poll closing in its a real possibility) 3.Why would Muslims blast bomb in holy month of Ramadan? 4.The intel agencies of India can also be involved ,by creating a false reign of terror they can hold the public and politicians at their mercy( make them puppets)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! remember this guys many years ago hijacked a plane and blamed it on Kashmiris.(Nothing suprises me this days)

 

[comrade zorgan]

Creating Hoax is wat intel agencies do best.Simmilar things occured in germany during hitlers rule, Nazis burned a building(reistag) and blamed it on communists.The japanese blasted a bomb in manchuria and blamed it on chinese,and used this incident to send troops into china.Sorry folks always remember a Chinese proverb "Nothing is wat it seems"

 

[Goodperson]

Creating Hoax is wat intel agencies do best.Simmilar things occured in germany during hitlers rule, Nazis burned a building(reistag) and blamed it on communists.The japanese blasted a bomb in manchuria and blamed it on chinese,and used this incident to send troops into china.Sorry folks always remember a Chinese proverb "Nothing is wat it seems"

Normal Indian will not know this much about Chinese or its neighbour, Thanks for letting us know about your nation.

 

[dr.umer]

SIMI Here, SIMI There, SIMI Everywhere​

ON HINDSIGHT, it wasn’t perhaps the best of ideas. In the most galling of attacks, terrorists had stormed Parliament just 14 days earlier and, for the while it lasted, the nation had held its breath in sheer horror. Undeniably, a group of radical-looking Muslims gathering so close after that crime would be vulnerable to police suspicion. But little could these 124 Muslims have imagined what was in store for them in the years to come when they gathered on December 27, 2001 at Gujarat’s port city of Surat.

A well-known Muslim organisation called the All-India Minority Educational Board had called participants from across India to attend the 8th Seminar on the “Constitutional Provisions for Minorities’ Educational Rights”. Its mandate was to discuss ways to harness constitutional provisions to help economically and educationally backward Muslims. The first topic of discussion was “The Role of Minority Education in Promotion of National Integration”. Also to be discussed were the “Contribution of Sir Saiyed [Founder of Aligarh Muslim University] in the Educational Field” and “Social Service and its Education in India”. The motley group included authors, teachers and scholars, as well as religious leaders. The meeting was to begin the next day and last two days.

All the 124 participants had gathered by the night of December 27 at a well-known cinema hall-turned-wedding venue in Surat called Rajshri Hall, also a favourite with the likes of Rotary Club. As they prepared to lie down on their beds, policemen came in and arrested them. The police seized a banner of the organisation, a few copies of the programme and the papers that some participants were to present, etc. It also claimed that it seized “unlawful material” such as SIMI receipt books.

The FIR alleged SIMI had called the meeting and the participants were hatching a conspiracy. SIMI had been banned three months ago, so it was easy to bring a host of charges of “unlawful activity” against them. It didn’t matter that nearly every one of them was much older than the upper age limit of 30 years for SIMI’s membership. The next day, a local judge packed off the 124 to police custody for 14 days. Later, they were sent to jail in judicial custody. Bail was denied. All hopes for bail died when the Sabarmati Express caught fire at Godhra on February 27, 2002, and the macabre killings of Muslims began in Gujarat.

ZIAUDDIN SIDDIQUI, the pharmacist from Aurangabad in neighbouring Maharashtra, is an accused in this case. He spent 11 months in the Surat jail. First, five people managed bail in October 2002. Then Siddiqui and 85 others got bail on November 20 that year. This bail order, by Gujarat High Court Judge DP Buch, was a scathing comment on the police case. It said: “It is not much in dispute that incriminating materials have not been seized from the personal search of the petitioners of this petition.”

Still, the court ordered every accused to appear at a Surat police station every Sunday. As all the accused, save five, were from outside Surat, they would have to travel to the city every week. The bail order said if a petitioner absented himself twice in a row from the trial court, then the bail “shall stand cancelled without any formal order of the Court”. Passports had to be surrendered. Over time, the accused have been exempted from visiting the police station. The Supreme Court later relaxed the condition on personal appearances at the trial and rejected automatic bail cancellation saying due process of law will have to be followed if bail already given has to be cancelled for some reason.

One of the witnesses in this case is the controversial Gujarat police officer, Narendra Amin — the man accused in Hyderabad of shooting dead the brother of Moutasim Billah (profiled on page 28) in October 2004 and is now lodged in a Gujarat jail, accused of killing in cold blood Kausar Bi, the wife of businessman Sohrabuddin, who himself was killed in a fake encounter.

Despite the fact that Rajshri Hall is one of the best-known venues for public gatherings in Surat, the police could find no independent witnesses to attest to the arrest and seizures. The defence has claimed in the trial court that the witnesses who did join the investigation are themselves accused in other cases registered in the same police station. The Surat police also wrote to police in other states seeking more information on all the other accused in the case.

In the case of Ziauddin Siddiqui (profiled on page 38) the Aurangabad police promptly wrote back saying, yes, he was indeed an “active SIMI member”. The Surat police offered that letter from the Aurangabad police to the trial court as clinching evidence that since Siddiqui was a SIMI member, and since he was a participant there, it was obvious that the Surat meeting was called by SIMI.

One of the accused is 46-yearold Mohammad Muslim, a civil construction contractor from Ahmedabad. “The police had been swarming around us since morning,” he recalled in an interview with TEHELKA in Ahmedabad. Muslim was never a member of SIMI. He spent nine months in three jails across Gujarat before getting bail.

Four of the accused were denied bail even by the High Court. They had to go all the way to the Supreme Court and could get bail only in February 2003. These include Atta-ur-rehman Kureshi of Saharanpur, the gentle septuagenarian (profiled on page 36). As Chairman of the host organisation, Kureshi is accused number one. Another accused is a professor of economics at Jodhpur University.

In 2005, High Court judge RP Dholakia ordered that the matter be expedited and the trial end in six months. The trial is still going on. Five of the eight witnesses have turned hostile. The police said the host organisation’s Delhi office was untraceable. As proof, they filed a report from a police sub-inspector, who they claimed went to Delhi for a day, sat in a taxi, hunted for the office, couldn’t find it, and came back. The report, interestingly, was filed on December 29 — barely two days after the arrests.

When “live” bombs were being diffused in Surat last week, police and intelligence agencies announced they were “keeping a close watch” on the five “SIMI activists from Surat who were arrested in December 2001”. •

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They did it, they didn't do it, doesn't matter. As long as they are Muslims, they are suspects.

Welcome to India...

 

[dr.umer]

‘Muslims are being targetted’ ​

Congress Party leader and SC lawyer Salman Khurshid talks to AJIT SAHI on the controversy surrounding SIMI

The Supreme Court has stayed a tribunal's rejection of the SIMI ban and is hearing the case. What is the legal view on this?

To ask what the law on this is meaningless in our country today. From the Supreme Court downwards there have been exceptionally liberal, liberty-oriented judgments. [Former SC justice] Ruma Pal gave one judgment where after years of being in custody, the accused in a bombing case were let off because there wasn't enough evidence. This tribunal’s pronouncement on SIMI was unimaginable for any young judge to take on the state so vigorously, when nobody in the state would say, well, please appreciate what this person has done. The good thing is you can't question the motives of this judge [Gita Mittal]as she is an outstanding judge.

How do you respond to the Supreme Court's decision to stay the tribunal's ruling?

It is too big an issue for the Supreme Court to not stay it. On the other hand, if it was a strong liberty-oriented Supreme Court, it could easily have said that if a judge has looked at all the facts and said you don’t need to be banned anymore, we will go by that unless we are convinced to the contrary. Heavens won’t fall in two weeks or five months

Having said that, I think the Supreme Court feels a sense of responsibility that there will be political repercussions [of not keeping the ban], and not necessarily help SIMI. The world over there are judges that are liberty-oriented and judges that are very conservative. We’ve seen it in POTA cases. The recent criminal jurisprudence of the Supreme Court — perhaps influenced by the fact that crime is growing and that there is a pall of terrorism all around — [reflects] a greater emphasis on criminal justice against the accused than in his favour.

Following the tribunal’s report, the police and intelligence agencies say there can't be concrete evidence in cases of terrorism.

This problem is the world over. The US has a law — the PATRIOT Act — that is much harsher than ours. We say POTA is gone, but many of the real harsh elements of POTA were incorporated elsewhere. There is a perverse kind of bureaucracy about internal security that doesn't listen and is not sensitive or fair. That bureaucracy begins at the police station. I know how confessions are taken.

Waliullah, an accused in the Varanasi bomb blasts of 2006, has been convicted only on the basis of his confession and police testimonies against him.

That [the Waliullah conviction], I think, an appellate court will put right. I once appeared for a SIMI activist accused of putting up posters in Jamia Millia. I said, please bring the poster you took off the wall. There was not a scratch of the wall colour on the poster, not a bit of it was torn! It was smooth as if it had just come from the press!

Are Muslims being targetted in the fight against terrorism?

Yes. There is a vast part of young India that doesn't know about this, lives in intellectual comfort, seems very surprised when people like you write stories about SIMI. But as things go along, they will open their eyes. The Sikhs were targetted, but they were concentrated in a particular area and they had a political voice. Such a political voice that the Muslims had they themselves have decimated.

There are very, very few Muslims who subscribe to the worst that SIMI has been accused of. But there are many more that speak a language that is harmful, to them more than to anybody else. They attract the attention of hostile people. They have nobody to guide them. The liberal Muslim has disappeared. This is the tragedy of the Muslims.

In the July 2006 Mumbai train blasts case, the 10,000-page chargesheet is based mostly on confessions, since denied.
There is a lot of prejudice, though it is not all prejudice. There is just simply not enough muscle in the system.

What can be done so that innocent people are not accused without evidence?

We have assumed too easily for too long that if you think somebody is bad, just calling him bad is enough. That's not how sophisticated law works. Periodically, the innocent accused are helped when some sensitive judge in the Supreme Court or high court [acts], or somebody like you takes up the cause and fights for it. But it is the totality that has to be addressed.

 

[dr.umer]

India suggests Pakistani hand in New Delhi blasts​

By GAVIN RABINOWITZ – 19 minutes ago

NEW DELHI (AP) — India's defense minister suggested Monday that archrival Pakistan may have aided the people responsible for a series of explosions in the capital over the weekend that killed 21 people.

"Militants are getting support from across the border and it is a fact," Defense Minister A.K. Antony told reporters in New Delhi, responding to a question about possible Pakistani involvement in the blasts. "It is a matter of serious concern."

India has routinely accused Pakistan of aiding groups believed to be behind dozens of attacks in India in the last three years. New Delhi also accused Pakistani intelligence agents of involvement in a suicide bombing at the Indian Embassy in Afghanistan, but has offered little proof to back up those charges.

Pakistan has denied the accusations and issued a strong statement condemning the New Delhi attacks.

Pakistan Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Sadiq declined to comment Monday, saying he had not seen a full report of Antony's comments.

At least five explosions struck a park and crowded shopping areas in New Delhi on Saturday, killing 21 people and wounding about 100 others.

A group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks and for bombings in the western city of Jaipur in May that killed 61 people and July blasts in the western state of Gujarat that killed at least 45.

Police believe the group is a front for the Students' Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, which was banned in 2001.

On Monday, the Anti-Terror Squad in Mumbai said it was searching for a suspected SIMI activist, identified by just one name, Tauqeer, who is believed to have sent e-mails claiming responsibility for Saturday's attacks.

Tauqeer, a former employee of a software company, went missing in 2001, apparently joining SIMI and going underground, said Hemant Karkare, head of the Anti-Terror Squad.

Police believe someone hacked into wireless networks in Mumbai to send e-mails shortly before the New Delhi and Gujarat blasts.

The government has blamed SIMI for a wave of bomb attacks that have rocked India in the last three years, killing hundreds, saying SIMI activists were working together with foreign Islamic groups.

Several alleged SIMI activists have been rounded up in recent months, but police have made little apparent headway in finding those behind the attacks.

Also Monday, a team of police officers from New Delhi headed to Gujarat to investigate similarities between the two attacks.

India, a largely Hindu country, has long battled Muslim separatist violence in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir, the country's only Muslim-majority state. It was not clear whether the Indian Mujahideen or SIMI are tied to the Kashmiri groups.

On Monday, one of the main Kashmiri militant groups, the Pakistani-based Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, denied any connection to the Indian Mujahideen or the attacks.

"Lashkar-e-Tayyaba is not even remotely linked to what is said to be the Indian Mujahideen," the Rising Kashmir newspaper quoted the group's spokesman, Abdullah Ghaznavi, as saying.

"Government of India has always tried to tarnish the image of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba by linking the organization to everything that happens in India," Ghaznavi said.

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And this is what I was expecting. This is what india does best. Irrespective of their own intelligence failures, India has blamed Pakistan.

RAW is busy in sexual harrasment of female employees. Defence Minsiter is f***** blind, can't see that? Poor fellow...

 

[dr.umer]

Militants are getting support from across the border and it is a fact," Defense Minister A.K. Antony told reporters in New Delhi...

It is a matter of failed intelligence, as always.

Defence Minister didn't comment on another important issue. Was ISI providing any pills to RAW's Chief for some special purpose?

Fact...My b****

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Deflection and the Pakistan blame game starts again - and then they expect people to people contacts to 'improve the understanding between the two nations peoples and bring them closer', all the while spreading poison in their minds like this.

 

[dr.umer]

Mdm,perhaps you are unaware that as per Police & Intelligence Sources, Indian Mujahideen is the same as SIMI.More accurately,Indian Mujahideen is considered to be a radical fraction of SIMI which has carried out the serial blasts at Bangalore,Ahmedabad,Jaipur and now Delhi.

any links?

 

[Awesome]

Deflection and the Pakistan blame game starts again - and then they expect people to people contacts to 'improve the understanding between the two nations peoples and bring them closer', all the while spreading poison in their minds like this.

Well we can only sympathize for the innocent, for the dead.

Whoever was behind these attacks, is no friend of Pakistan's. The democratic mandate with which the country is governed now, should speak volumes to the Indians.

Not many in Pakistan would wish this upon India. We've suffered a lot worse than this and its really not fun.

 

[Flintlock]

Sorry folks always remember a Chinese proverb "Nothing is wat it seems"

Cool...it took a "Chinese proverb" to put across something as inane as this.

I have to admit that the ignore list is very useful - one doesn't need to sift through the trash to come across a quality post.

 

[ejaz007]

India suggests Pakistani hand in Delhi blasts

NEW DELHI: India’s defence minister on Monday suggested that Pakistan might have aided those responsible for a series of blasts in New Delhi over the weekend that killed 21 people.

“Militants are being supported from across the border and it is a fact,” Indian Defence Minister AK Antony told reporters in New Delhi, adding, “It is a matter of serious concern.”

Pakistan has denied the accusations and issued a strong statement condemning the attacks. Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Sadiq declined to comment on India’s claim, adding that he had not seen the full report of Antony’s comments.

The Anti-Terror Squad in Mumbai said it was searching for a suspected Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) activist, identified as Tauqeer. He is believed to have sent e-mails claiming responsibility for Saturday’s attacks. Tauqeer, a former software company employee, went missing in 2001, apparently joining SIMI and going underground. ap

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

This is Indian standard operating procedure. They fail and then blame it on ISI.

 

[PakSniper]

damn, why cant these hindu and muslim terrorist groups just kill each other, than kill innocent people! QUOTE]

Dear Mr SU-47,

Hindu Terrorist Group???
Are you serious???
Please name a single Hindu Terrorist Group in India ! And please don't name RSS/VHP/Balrang Dal ! They may be fundamentalists but terrorists? No way!

If US can refer to terrorists as Islamic Fundamentalists I see no problem using that same term against those fundamentalists in India harming civilians.

If you try goggling I'm sure you can find a couple dozen terrorist groups.

 

[PakSniper]

India suggests Pakistani hand in Delhi blasts

This is Indian standard operating procedure. They fail and then blame it on ISI.

Lol, Its extremely funny. Even after 1 year of not reading this stuff, the world has moved on but not them.

 

[muse]

New Delhi bombings seen as declaration of 'war'
Blasts that killed 20 in the Indian capital on Saturday are forcing the government to confront a domestic terrorist group. But some officials still point the finger at longtime rival Pakistan.
By David Montero
from the September 16, 2008 edition


A string of blasts in India's capital on Saturday is forcing authorities there to confront a domestic terrorist group, even as some are pointing the finger at Pakistan.

"Five explosions within half an hour caused havoc in one of the city's central parks and crowded shopping areas on Saturday evening – one of the busiest times of the weekend," the English-language daily The Hindu reported on Sunday. Police also launched raids across New Delhi, "detaining about a dozen people as part of efforts to track down the bombers responsible for a series of blasts that left more than 20 dead and a further 100 injured."

A home-grown Indian terrorist group was said to be responsible, according to Agence France-Presse.

The attacks were claimed by the Indian Mujahideen, a shadowy Muslim militant group that also owned responsibility for bombings in July that killed at least 45 people in the cities of Ahmedabad and Bangalore.

In the past, India has blamed neighboring Pakistan for orchestrating attacks on Indian soil, but the emergence of the Indian Mujahideen has forced authorities to confront the specter of an effective, home-grown militant force. Security experts say the formation of the outfit may be an effort to create a fresh identity for groups banned by the Indian government over the past few years such as the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

The Business Standard of India reports that, according to an e-mail sent to the media shortly before the blasts, the attacks are retribution for India's mistreatment of its 130 million Muslims.

The Indian Mujahideen, the terrorist group that claimed to have executed Saturday's serial blasts in the capital, is apparently seeking revenge against the perceived 'injustices' on Muslims across India – demolition of Babri Masjid in Ayodhya in 1992 and the Gujarat riots of 2002....

Seeking inspiration from the Allah and the Quranic verses, this group, which is believed to be headed by Subhan alias Tauqir, a former Wipro employee, also refers to "killings of Muslim brethren in Kashmir" during the recent Amarnath land crisis and the "atrocities" unleashed on the "innocent" Muslims in the aftermath of recent blasts in Gujarat.

An editorial in The Times of India called the attacks a declaration of war, cautioning that drastic measures, including some affecting civil liberties, would have to be taken.

We are at war. The string of blasts in Delhi on Saturday, which killed 30 people and injured over 90, is the fourth attack by terrorists on a major Indian city in the span of four months....

At this moment of crisis, some of the liberties that we take for granted might have to be curbed to ensure that terrorists, who follow no norms and rules, are effectively restrained. Such measures must be debated – if needed, in a special session of Parliament – by the major political parties and implemented as quickly as possible.

The blasts have highlighted both the sophistication of Indian terrorist groups and the weakness of domestic security, reports the Financial Times.

Prakash Jawadkar, spokesman of the opposition Bharatiya Janata party, a Hindu nationalist party, called the attacks "a security failure and a policy failure" and accused the government of "giving priority to petty politics rather than national security".

"It is very clear from the frequency with which they [the militants] are attacking that they are waging a war against India," he said. "Central and regional government has not realised the danger ... They have not exhibited a national will to combat terrorism."

The city-by-city strikes have given the impression that the militants can strike at will. As in previous attacks, the bombers favoured targets where affluent middle class Indians congregate.

As critics lashed out against the government, some officials began pointing the finger across the border at Pakistan, according to the Hindustan Times.

Charging Pakistan with supporting terror modules operating in India, Defence Minister AK Antony on Monday said it was a "serious" matter and the country will defeat the designs of the destabilising forces.

"Militants are getting support from across the border and it is a fact. Already the home minister (Shivraj Patil) and others in the government have expressed their opinion on this. It is a matter of serious concern," Antony told reporters in New Delhi on the sidelines of a seminar by a defence thinktank.

In Pakistan, observers advised avoiding the usual blame game. An editorial in The Daily Times, a leading English-language daily, cautioned:
In the coming days, comment will flood the Indian media and will doubtless retrace the past pattern of casting suspicion on the Indian Muslims and reflecting on the ongoing contest with Pakistan in Afghanistan....

It is tragic that India and Pakistan are moving towards conflict even when they know they are being tricked into it by elements within them who don't want peace to prevail. Recent "enactments" of terrorism on both sides have put the peace process on hold and there is no politician big enough to rise above the smoke of these blasts to complete the job of normalising relations. In fact, as days pass, the two nuclear-armed states may look less and less able to pursue the road they know is right.