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[Tumba]

Here are you calling me an "Islamist" and here is @PakistaniAtBahrain refusing to accept me as a Muslim.

typical islamists do that x calls me -ve and y calls me +vs so me zero lol

How would you compare those Islamic "barbarians" to beliefs in Hinduism like sati and caste system ?

neither of above beliefs are prevalent now nor are mentioned in vedas and whatever is mentions is incorrectly translated by westerners ...
caste system is basically an karmic system all categories are defined as per the actions they commit not how high they are born but human societies do get degraded over time but Santan dharm is open for changes and adaptation in comparison of islamic or christian beliefs.

 

[Sharma Ji]

does the good indian hindu not care about hinduism?

of course we do

which is exactly why we're slowly shaping a new type of modern muslim, with Hindu characteristics

soon there will be a population regulation law that will penalize the poor from breeding too much

then they'll introduce true secularism in the form of a uniform civil code which will slowly lead to the AIMPLB eventually being rendered null and void

future science will prove that cremating the dead is actually better and makes more sense than burials so that's a thing too

our initial long term targets are to get the muslims down to 5 - 7% of the population in the next 50 years.. once that ball gets rolling eventually 2 - 3 % pe rukegi.

nobody wants to take it to zero, spl not by violent means.. we will manage the muslims slowly and scientifically and with love

we believe in ahinsa aka non violence.

 

[hussain0216]

of course we do

which is exactly why we're slowly shaping a new type of modern muslim, with Hindu characteristics

soon there will be a population regulation law that will penalize the poor from breeding too much

then they'll introduce true secularism in the form of a uniform civil code which will slowly lead to the AIMPLB eventually being rendered null and void

future science will prove that cremating the dead is actually better and makes more sense than burials so that's a thing too

our initial long term targets are to get the muslims down to 5 - 7% of the population in the next 50 years.. once that ball gets rolling eventually 2 - 3 % pe rukegi.

nobody wants to take it to zero, spl not by violent means.. we will manage the muslims slowly and scientifically and with love

we believe in ahinsa aka non violence.

Yeah you do that,

Indian Muslims will have big families
Spread their religion
Create Muslim areas for their own safety

I agree with you apart from your first statement regarding Kashmir.
Hari Singh wanted to remain independent and signed stand-still agreements with both India and Pak.
It was only after Pakistan lost its patience and tried to force merge by sending its irregular forces sneakily that Hari Singh had to appeal India for help and acceded the state to India.
Even after that, when India approached UN for solution and UN gave its non-binding resolution in 1948, we could have achieved peace had Pakistan followed it. 1st step in the resolution asked for Pakistan to withdraw all its regular and irregular forces from the entirety of J&K. That never happened.

Look I am from Azad Kashmir

We supported Jinnah and Jinnahs message

We always knew India was going to be a disaster

We were a Muslim majority state, the whole point of partition was that a state such as ours to be part of a Pakistan


Look at what Indian Muslims now have to do for their own sake and you think we want to be stuck with them?

 

[magra]

of course we do

which is exactly why we're slowly shaping a new type of modern muslim, with Hindu characteristics

soon there will be a population regulation law that will penalize the poor from breeding too much

then they'll introduce true secularism in the form of a uniform civil code which will slowly lead to the AIMPLB eventually being rendered null and void

future science will prove that cremating the dead is actually better and makes more sense than burials so that's a thing too

our initial long term targets are to get the muslims down to 5 - 7% of the population in the next 50 years.. once that ball gets rolling eventually 2 - 3 % pe rukegi.

nobody wants to take it to zero, spl not by violent means.. we will manage the muslims slowly and scientifically and with love

we believe in ahinsa aka non violence.

Oh I was worried that you genuine had extremist thoughts.
Now, reading this, I realize that you are just having fun trolling

 

[Sharma Ji]

Oh I was worried that you genuine had extremist thoughts.
Now, reading this, I realize that you are just having fun trolling

maza kirkira mat karo

play along

they want fascists, give them fascist

but fascist with dharmic characteristics.

there is some degree of truth to it all though... urban environments mein, big cities mein.. where every one has some amount of access to all what it has to offer. Hindus mostly socially liberal hotey hain and we don't care about religion, not nearly to the same degree as muslims do anyway.. socially liberal Hindus ko dekh ke even the musalmans become liberal.. seen it all over the place, man. Small town Merut musalman finds his niche in the hedonistic arts scene etc

The more India urbanizes, the more our home grown radical Islam dies off... it doesn't stand a chance against liberal Hindu ethos in the modern world. Pockets of resistance ? sure.. but overall they don't stand a chance

 

[magra]

maza kirkira mat karo

play along

they want fascists, give them fascist

but fascist with dharmic characteristics.

there is some degree of truth to it all though... urban environments mein, big cities mein.. where every one has some amount of access to all what it has to offer. Hindus mostly socially liberal hotey hain and we don't care about religion, not nearly to the same degree as muslims do anyway.. socially liberal Hindus ko dekh ke even the musalmans become liberal.. seen it all over the place, man. Small town Merut musalman finds his niche in the hedonistic arts scene etc

The more India urbanizes, the more our home grown radical Islam dies off... it doesn't stand a chance against liberal Hindu ethos in the modern world. Pockets of resistance ? sure.. but overall they don't stand a chance

I cant see your poker face and decide when you are joking and when you are not. Hence, it is difficult to engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I cant see your poker face and decide when you are joking and when you are not. Hence, it is difficult to engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

Thank you, of course you can't see it it because I am a high born Brahman.

are you a musalta ?

 

[jamahir]

I tried to read through and understand what Direct Democracy is. It was too complicated for me to understand. Can you please explain to me in simple terms.

OK, let's see it from neighborhood level to country level :

In every neighborhood the residents form themselves into a BPC ( Basic People's Congress ). Yes, the terminology in that webpage is different. From the BPC the residents discuss and elect a secretariat from amongst themselves. The secretariat is supposed to put forward these citizens' ideas at the next levels.

The city is divided into such neighborhood level Basic People's Congresses and the collection of the secretariats of the BPCs is called Non-Basic People's Congress. You may call it MPC ( Municipal People's Congress ). So one MPC for a city.

The BPCs consult amongst themselves and through the MPC elect People's Committees from among eligible people to carry out administrative activities in the city ( water supply, electricity, public transport, internet, housing, bank, security etc ). The People's Committees are directly answerable to the people through the MPC.

Whenever the MPC meets, the agenda and feedback is directly done by the neighborhood level people through the secretariats of each BPC in the city.

All the MPCs in the country form the GPC ( General People's Congress ) which will discuss issues of national and international situations. For example, building a water pipeline that starts from a river in one city and goes through other cities. Another example, setting the strategic security alliance with a certain group of countries. Another example, begin to replace all privately-owned personal transport vehicles in the country with taxis and buses. All these issues can go two ways : (a). Arise from a neighborhood level BPC and go to country level GPC, (b). Proposed by the GPC and go down to be discussed in all the BPCs.

The traditional parliament is replaced by the General People's Congress. This way, issues and ideas are managed and discussed by the people directly without there being any political party existing, or any professional politician existing or the need to have any five-yearly election.

Please read this thread whose OP is an article about Libya's pre-2011 Direct Democracy system in practice.

Please ask if you need more clarification.

 

[Hiptullha]

typical islamists do that x calls me -ve and y calls me +vs so me zero lol

Jamahir is a socialist.
Anyone who doesn't to pooja to monkeys = Islamist to you?

Lol. Worry about Islam.

No.

 

[xeuss]

We know how much to believe and how much to smile at. No one actually believed they would get 15 lacs in their account.

May be true. Govt is arbitrarily putting behind tough laws anyone they feel is 'anti-national' as per their own definition (which includes some Muslims too). Repeated action against that UP doc who tried to save kids in the hospital by paying from his pocket for oxygen tanks is a classic example of how blatantly vengeful this govt is.

You seem to be generations ahead of your brethren. At least acknowledging that there is a problem. The biggest hurdle I see is that the country refuses to acknowledge that there is a problem. We may disagree on the solution(s), but at least admitting that there is a problem, is a step in a right direction.

 

[magra]

Thank you, of course you can't see it it because I am a high born Brahman.

are you a musalta ?

What is a musalta?
My caste, creed, religion and gender does not matter. I only want to identify myself as an Indian on this forum.

OK, let's see it from neighborhood level to country level :

In every neighborhood the residents form themselves into a BPC ( Basic People's Congress ). Yes, the terminology in that webpage is different. From the BPC the residents discuss and elect a secretariat from amongst themselves. The secretariat is supposed to put forward these citizens' ideas at the next levels.

The city is divided into such neighborhood level Basic People's Congresses and the collection of the secretariats of the BPCs is called Non-Basic People's Congress. You may call it MPC ( Municipal People's Congress ). So one MPC for a city.

The BPCs consult amongst themselves and through the MPC elect People's Committees from among eligible people to carry out administrative activities in the city ( water supply, electricity, public transport, internet, housing, bank, security etc ). The People's Committees are directly answerable to the people through the MPC.

Whenever the MPC meets, the agenda and feedback is directly done by the neighborhood level people through the secretariats of each BPC in the city.

All the MPCs in the country form the GPC ( General People's Congress ) which will discuss issues of national and international situations. For example, building a water pipeline that starts from a river in one city and goes through other cities. Another example, setting the strategic security alliance with a certain group of countries. Another example, begin to replace all privately-owned personal transport vehicles in the country with taxis and buses. All these issues can go two ways : (a). Arise from a neighborhood level BPC and go to country level GPC, (b). Proposed by the GPC and go down to be discussed in all the BPCs.

The traditional parliament is replaced by the General People's Congress. This way, issues and ideas are managed and discussed by the people directly without there being any political party existing, or any professional politician existing or the need to have any five-yearly election.

Please read this thread whose OP is an article about Libya's pre-2011 Direct Democracy system in practice.

Please ask if you need more clarification.

One drawback I can instantly think of is that this will make the decision making process even slower and consensus building will be a humungus task.

 

[magra]

You seem to be generations ahead of your brethren. At least acknowledging that there is a problem. The biggest hurdle I see is that the country refuses to acknowledge that there is a problem. We may disagree on the solution(s), but at least admitting that there is a problem, is a step in a right direction.

Thank you for your kind words. There are many like me but the problem is that in any society the troublemakers make the loudest noice and the nice ones keep quiet.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Keeping firm does not necessarily mean cracking down. If the muslims want to congregate into majority zones just for their own security and do not have the agenda to break off, then cracking down wont be needed. If they do intend to breakoff, then the state will have to sadly crack down.

indian muslims wont want to break off. most of these are descendants of losers that hated the idea of Pakistan. they believed that they wont be targeted in India by the majority hindus. all the indian muslims want is for their identity as both an indian and a muslim to be respected. but when you have laws like cow slaughter laws, triple talaq, cant buy houses in this locality or that, Babri masjid, love jihad propaganda, etc, then hindutva will not only awaken the hindus, it will also awaken the indian muslims, and that is when they will start to congregate into some states and form majorities so that anti-muslim laws cant be passed there and they can live there without harassment. only in an extreme scenario would they want to break off. like i said to you a dozen times already, in Pakistan we dont have anti-hinduism laws. any hindu can practice all aspects of his faith here, even though we were built for Islam and we are called the Islamic republic of Pakistan. India calls itself secular, but clearly isnt. the indian muslim was sold a pipe dream of secular state, and now they are realising it was always meant to become a hindu rashtra openly.

The issue was created by Pakistan doing Operation Searchlight and causing mass exodus of millions of East Pakistanis into India. India was forced to intervene then to alleviate the problem. If Bangladesh was strong enough today, they would have probably done the same with Myanmar to solve Rohingya issue.

it didnt start in Operation Searchlight. it started many years ago when India was deliberately interfering with the internal affairs of East Pakistan. like the Agartala Conspiracy. India was the first to use such tactics. like i said, agreements mean something when India wants it to (Kashmir), and it means nothing when India decides it doesnt (Junagarh, partition land agreement).

How many times will you ask the same question. I have already replied to you earlier.
Junagarh is surrounded completely by Indian territory. You would have lost it anyways the same way you lost Bangladesh. We did hold a plebiscite in Junagarh where 99% voted for India. We could have done similar plebiscite in J&K had Pakistan followed the 1948 UN resolution. As per UN resolution, first step was for Pakistan to withdraw all its regular and irregular forces from all parts of J&K. Pakistan never did that. This is because you were only interested in grabbing land.

see? do as i see, not as i do. India invaded Junagarh when the ruler joined Pakistan, and India also invaded Kashmir when the ruler joined India. waah. Pakistan accepted the plebiscite in Junagarh even though we were supposed to carry it out, because we knew what they were going to pick anyway so we accepted them joining India. whereas India was doing demographic change in Kashmir through their dealings with the ruler before Pakistan and India invaded Kashmir. always using dirty tactics. India did the same in East Pakistan, long before all this bullshit about refugee situation and Operation Searchlight.

So you are not sure, but hoping it will happen. Inshallah?

get your eyes checked. nowhere did i say i was hopeful or doubtful on the matter.

I am not going to debate whether you should or should not have fought with Soviets. However, as per my opinion, the way you indoctrinated a large section of your youth, handed them arms and sent them to fight in Afg, that is the problem. It changed Pakistan from a moderate Muslim nation to a more extremist version. You should have used your army to fight for nationalistic reasons instead of making it some kind of Islamic jihadi war and using irregular forces.

lol. "i dont want to debate, but here is my opinion anyway, because i am a typical indian with a mouth bigger than my cock."

your analysis of the Pakistani involvement in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is hilarious. using irregular forces didnt have much backlash in Pakistan after the Soviets were defeated. it was only after the US invasion that a backlash came because Pakistan allowed the US to get to Afghanistan (a landlocked country) through Pakistan, and i feel sympathy for the Afghans. this was something we should never have done. the common Pakistanis and Afghans took out their anger on Pakistan who they felt was also supporting the US invasion of Afghanistan. this is what the real problem was, not the Pakistan fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Pakistan only wants its rights. we dont fight India or anyone else without reason. we let India have more partition land than the agreement said. we let India have Junagarh because it made sense the hindu population would rather be with India. the only time we had an issue that we fought for was Kashmir, and even then India wont let it go. this is because india is an imperialistic little shit, like all indians are open trolls and closet imperialists that talk big things like peace and all kinds of other bullshit. in conclusion, since you see no reason for Pakistan to be aggrieved with India since 1947, yet still remain at PDF to "debate" it just shows you are a typical indian, a troll, an obsessed little indian loser.

Thank you, of course you can't see it it because I am a high born Brahman.

are you a musalta ?

you shake hands with Dalits?

We were a Muslim majority state, the whole point of partition was that a state such as ours to be part of a Pakistan

according to @magra , who cares what the common Kashmiri thinks. its all about what unelected kings and sheikh abdullahs have to say.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Among others things :

a. Ideological influence among sensitive and empathetic people around the world. Like Carlos ( the Jackal ) who was a Venezuelan but found the Palestine cause worth agitating for.

b. The Soviets had a manned Mars program started in the early 70s and planned to be executed in the 80s. The legacy of its knowledge in space operations is now being used even by the West.

"ideological influence, and failed science programs". this is the best the mighty Soviets and their so called mighty communism had to shows, while their own people were starving to death, and they had mass murderers like Stalin and Mao, your idols.

What did Zia ul Haq achieve, other than destroy Afghanistan ?

defeated the Soviets, and saved Pakistan.

1. Who is this "we" ?

2. Get those "we" ( like Al Qaeda ) to fight the Syrian government ( which you hate ) without West-provided armaments and political support.

we are common muslim men and women. i already said i dont agree nor support Al Qaeda, or Taliban or any other strawman you want to throw at me. but you on the other hand love Stalin and Mao, killers of millions more than any Taliban or Al Qaeda have ever done. the fighting in Syria was initially not West-provided. it was fueled on killing of civilians and anti-islamic rhetoric of the Syrian regime while they were doing so. i still remember the video at the start of the conflict which turned it into a war where Syrian soldiers (cunts like you) were buring a muslim boy alive and telling him to say "there is no God but bashar al assad", but he kept saying "there is no God but Allah" and he died, buried alive. meanwhile, go kiss Stalin, Mao and Assad's *** a little more.

You seem to think that Islam is all about prayer, ritual, festival and dress code. If so how is it different from say, Jainism and Hinduism ?

i never said Islam was just about prayer. everyone knows its the complete way of life, from prayer to law to politics. everything. dont need communism, **** communism. dont need communists, **** communists. go worship Stalin and Mao.

Defence pact notwithstanding, why didn't Zia ul Haq just do a brave thing and patched up with the USSR ?

only a fool would do that, or a traitor. Zia was neither, Alhamdulillah.

I dream of a world where, among other things, lack of money will not keep you blind or let you die of cancers or keep you hungry and homeless.

What is your dream ?

your dreams have no proofs, no divine commands. its stems from godlessness and vain mind of human fools. people that couldnt even finish poverty, hunger and injustice in their own lands and they talk about their "vision" for the world.

Islam on the other hand has numerous proofs for it being the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. the source of this truth tells us how to pray, how to do our politics and everything else. a complete way of life.

 

[SQ8]

Any other product of illegal relationships like the pink Tumba want to be permanently booted out?