Delhi elections and indifference of Hindus

[graphican]

OK.

Pakistan is delighted for Modi ruling over India. Given the opportunity and if India survives until then, he should be given 3rd and 4th chance to do exactly the same.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Actually it is not. For 70+ years, separatist feeling in Kashmir was under control because of the 370 article. It will now take a real statesman to defuse the situation. Till then Kashmir will have to be controlled by force.

NO Sir! what we have got for not removing 370 A from Kashmir.

Terrorism
kashmiri people losses
Army people Losses
Expenses on military etc.

There is no solution on Kashmir between Pakistan and India. We will not give a single each of Kashmir and vice versa (Pak Kashmir including gilgit baltistan).

So keeping the same status in next many years will not work and useful. It will be normal in few years (2-3 years),

 

[jamahir]

Pakistan is delighted for Modi ruling over India. Given the opportunity and if India survives until then, he should be given 3rd and 4th chance to do exactly the same.

Let's see.

 

[KhanBaba2]

So keeping the same status in next many years will not work and useful. It will be normal in few years (2-3 years),

We will I guess have to revisit this in 2 to 3 years.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Not advisable; whataboutery is a weak counter. Instead, if you take him up on merit, it can come to a fairly well-defined conclusion. First of all, of course, personally speaking, I reject agglomeration of religious communities; I don't know anybody who is a Muslim who meets all the descriptive criteria any more than I know any Hindu who meets all the descriptive criteria. Arguing that Muslims did this, and Hindus did that is fatuous, IMHO.

Following from this, second, is the difficulty in finding a common stream, a minimum programme, to use a term from coalition politics of today, that indicates what is the core, what must be done; this is true both of 'Muslims', using the term as a place-marker in spite of just having rejected it, and of 'Hindus'.

The third point of deviation is that there is today the overlay of class, over and all this, and fourth, the overlay of endogamous social groups, or castes. So if we consider the four characteristics of citizenship profile that we just built up ad hoc, we have at least one choice at each point, therefore 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16 or more characteristics to watch out for - there may be more.

Is it, in your opinion, possible to find large groups of people who match each other on all 16 (or more) characteristics? I find it a surreal exercise, not worth your time and effort. Nor that of anybody else.

The confusion, ah!
Well, forming a homogeneous kind of system, where everything is like 1+1 = 2 has destroyed Pakistan, almost.
Diversity is the answer to all your point. Look at Europe how they are proceeding now.

I mean a law should not be like walking on a straight rope, it should be flexible for all members of society. I mean, you can argue that this is impossible, but essentially, we can make a law, a constitution, where 99% people are satisfied.

Last time, someone tried to form such a society, and he is popularly know as Hitler. Modi et al are also following the same path.
On the other hands, Pakistanis want to get rid of that. We are working towards it. But see, not everyone in Pakistan is an angel, or convinced with this idea, so yeah have to bear with them.

 

[jamahir]

NO Sir! what we have got for not removing 370 A from Kashmir.

Terrorism
kashmiri people losses
Army people Losses
Expenses on military etc.

Agreed.

There is no solution on Kashmir between Pakistan and India. We will not give a single each of Kashmir and vice versa (Pak Kashmir including gilgit baltistan).

So keeping the same status in next many years will not work and useful. It will be normal in few years (2-3 years),

Kashmir needs a political solution. Here's my contribution towards that :

1. Let India and Pakistan both become governed by the same Progressive / Socialist Direct Democracy system, while remaining two independent countries. This will be like how pre-2003 Iraq and Syria were, both governed by Ba'ath ideology while remaining two independent republics.

2. Let the India-administered Kashmir remain with India and Pakistan-administered Kashmir remain with Pakistan.

3. Convert the LoC into an International Border which is passable by passport for the reasons of trade, tourism and family visits.
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This will remove most of the militant ideology surrounding the Kashmir issue. The only remaining militantism will be of the Regressive religious sort and that can be sorted out by both countries.

And this will also have the great effect of bringing both countries to a Progressive political system and governance.

 

[Wood]

Oh really? Wasn't BJP taking part in Dehli's elections? Wasn't Modi giving anti-Pakistan speeches from Dehli and that 10-12 days of victory thing came from him?

1) Before the revocation of Article 370, Kashmir valley used to have local assembly elections periodically. A lot of people from the Kashmir valley turned out to vote for these elections. Did that mean that the people of the valley wanted to identify themselves as Indian? Nope. It is just people voting for their local needs. The same way, BJP's candidate did not appeal to the Delhi residents for the place of local leadership. But to interpret that as a defeat of BJP / RSS ideology in Delhi is incorrect. Even today, if central elections were held in Delhi for the PM race - BJP would likely win all 7 seats easily. There are plenty of Youtube videos online from left leaning news outlets that interview regular Delhi residents about their view of BJP's recent policies that are seen controversial. Except for the muslims who were interviewed, almost everyone expressed support for these policies. Indeed, a majority of hindus in the Hindi belt welcome these political developments.

2) If you want to find people in India who reject BJP's policy and Modi's charisma, you have to look south. Specifically in states like TN, the voting majority Hindu population think of Modi as a villain of sorts. BJP / RSS policies are seen as anti-inclusive of India's ethnic and lingual diversity. Religious minorities in this region are also very vociferous in local main stream media. In all, an alliance with BJP by the majority regional parties in the state is seen as a liability and not an asset. This is what you can legitimately describe as a anti-Modi wave where the PM will struggle to win anything of significance.

 

[pikkuboss]

It was an expected win for AAP. Kejriwal is the only leader standing out there in Delhi. This election was not at all played on Minorities, castes or race basis. A balancing result is always welcome.

 

[Wood]

Third credit that Modi deserves is that people in India are preparing for second partition. If Paksitan had to fight a war with India because India had a hostile Government then sure - Paksitan knows a dying India will eventually go for war before finally breaking into pieces.

This seems to be a popular belief among Pakistanis in the forum. A few things that I would like them to know:

a) Roughly 70% of Indians welcome the controversial moves from GOI. The 20% minority population along with 10% liberal population vehemently oppose the move.
b) The population that do oppose the move is distributed throughout the country. So they are not pooled together to form a critical mass that could become significant.
c) About 20% of the protesters who vehemently oppose the moves from central government cannot be relied up to suggest or support sedition in any form.
d) Most Indian population have never seen or touched a gun in their life. The popular sentiment for Indian population is not to go near a gun or put hands on one even if given an opportunity to do so.

With the above being true, a separation of Indian state now is unlikely if not impossible.

 

[Soumitra]

And what is your objection to "freebies" ??

Do you want people to struggle for every minor / basic thing in life because of inability to come up with enough money ??

Nothing is free. Somebody has to pay for free electricity, water, bus ticket, metro ticket etc etc.

 

[jamahir]

Nothing is free. Somebody has to pay for free electricity, water, bus ticket, metro ticket etc etc.

But I have given you examples of how Socialist societies are able to main their welfare state.

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Margaret Thatcher was no philosopher or world leader.

 

[Wood]

Margaret Thatcher was no philosopher or world leader.

Regardless of her proficiency, the statement stands true. Only a few are inclined to fund socialism from their pocket. The Scandinavian or even Canadian governments are able to sustain this because of the natural resources available in their territory. Nothing more

 

[jamahir]

The Scandinavian or even Canadian governments are able to sustain this because of the natural resources available in their territory. Nothing more

India could have used agriculture, tourism, IT, BPOs etc.

Sadly, the Indian socio-economic system is not scientific.

 

[Soumitra]

Margaret Thatcher was no philosopher or world leader.

She was the democratically elected PM of Britain for 11 years and was politically active for many decades.

But of course you consider only unelected dictators as world leaders

 

[Wood]

India could have used agriculture, tourism, IT, BPOs etc.

Sadly, the Indian socio-economic system is not scientific.

The resources (natural or industrial) available to the Indian union are not nearly sufficient to deliver fundamental benefits. Forget about full blown socialism. Even rich countries cannot afford this unless they are sitting on a gold mine.

You seem to be idealistic, please give pragmatism a chance.