Delays hit homegrown AWACS Aircraft

[tallboy123]

Three ERJ 145 are to be procured at a cost of US $ 300 Million
which much more than saab 2000 which the Pakistan has adopted from Sweden
we are purchasing 5 Saab 2000 at the total cost of $ 985 million
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/DRDO_AWACS.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Saab2000AEW-SE-045-246.jpg

Saab 2000 is propeller based
But DRDO awacs is turbojet based...

guys how much effective is Saab 2000 against Phalcon???

 

[ganimi kawa]

I think just few days back it was reported that the aircraft will fly this month in Brazil and than will fly to India in September. After that it will be integrated with the radar and related technologies. The AWACS with full capability will fly next year. It is one of the fastest defence project in India.

Little correction,dude.

This craft will be integrated with the radar and other equipments in Brazil only. The LSTAR radar has already been transported to Brazil for that.

They will test the fully integrated craft in Brazil first before handing it down to India in Dec 2011.

So, we are slightly ahead of the schedule!

this not 1st time in the history
before this AWACS

DRDO AEW&CS is more costly & absolutely lower than Pakistan's Saab 2000

Now, that is what I call a proper fanboy!

One word for you......"Phalcon"!

 

[Mani2020]

Saab 2000 is propeller based
But DRDO awacs is turbojet based...

guys how much effective is Saab 2000 against Phalcon???

As far as Propeller based and jet based platforms are concerned both have pros and cons ,like propeller based aircraft is cost friendly and is easy to maintain plus its a fuel efficient

On the other hand IAF turbojet has more room for equipment and can carry more equipment as compared to saab-200


As far as comparison b/w both is concerned this have been discussed to death in other forums ,so discussing it further will be just foolish as no one knows the actual specs ,the comments are mostly based on speculations or sentiments

 

[sancho]

Three ERJ 145 are to be procured at a cost of US $ 300 Million
which much more than saab 2000 which the Pakistan has adopted from Sweden
we are purchasing 5 Saab 2000 at the total cost of $ 985 million
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/DRDO_AWACS.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Saab2000AEW-SE-045-246.jpg

But only 4 of them are in AWACS config and if we compare the base platform only, the EMB 145 is clearly the better choice with:

- higher speed
- higher service ceiling
- mid air refuelling (which counters the advantages of the Saab 2000 in endurance and range again)
- customised airframe for our specifications
- integration of indigenous avionics


All these advantages makes them clearly worth the higher costs!

guys how much effective is Saab 2000 against Phalcon???

Hi tallboy, you have to differ here between platform and radar system!
The first part, platform / aircraft including the radar array, which means Saab 2000 with twin radar array (300° coverage) vs Beriev A50 with triangle array (360° coverage).

The A50 wins here hands down:

- full radar coverage
- way more space for additional equipment and crew (including rest space with beds, for a 2nd crew)
- twice the operators
- mid air refuelling
- higher speed
- higher service ceiling
- higher range
...


The 2nd point to differ are the radar systems and here we have the Swedish Erieye, the Israeli Phalcon and the Indian DRDO systems.

Most of their features like numbers of targets they can detect, or track are classifield, but the Swedish system can be assumed as high class and close to the Phalcon, while the DRDO system is completely new.
PAF is also inducting a Chinese system on a Y8 platform, possibly with 360° radar coverage, but it will be interesting to see if these systems are compatible with data links and stuff, especially with their F16s.
IAF is adding several (Israeli and French) systems on their AWACS as well as fighters to assure this, because if the AWACS and the fighters can't be linked, they have the same probles like our MKIs during Red Flag. The AWACS can guide the pilot only by radio, not by data links and the fighter might detect a target on it's own radar, but can't say if it's a friend, or foe.

For example:

Thales chosen to modernise IFF for India’s MiG-29

Thales has been awarded a contract by Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RSK-MiG) to deliver IFF1 Combined Interrogator Transponder (CIT) and Cryptographic National Secure Mode (NSM), for the retrofit of the MiG-29 multi-role fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force. The first CIT will be delivered to RSK-MiG in 2010 and the first building block of a comprehensive secure identification capability in India mid-2011. ...

Thales chosen to modernise IFF for India


There should be no doubt about the clear increase of PAFs capabilities in terms of BVR retection and combat, with the induction of AWACS, as well as F16 upgrade and JF 17, but all these things are new capabilities and mixed by western and Chinese, which will make it more difficult to train and develop tactics.
IAF instead is trying to develop an own standard here, with modernised systems and tactics, not to mention a decade of experience in BVR combat. Exercises with western countries including AWACS (like Garuda 2010 wit E3 and E2, or Indra Dhanush 2010 with E3 and A50 Phalcon) will increase IAF capabilities in this field even more.

So yes, PAF is ahead in induction of AWACS, but not neccesarily more capable in this field. The delay of DRDO AWACS is not surprising, as it is a totally new field, but more important is a fast 2nd order of additional A50 Phalcons, because they are the topline in this role and Russia/Israel should be able do build them faster now.

 

[Kinetic]

this not 1st time in the history
before this AWACS
DRDO AEW&CS is more costly & absolutely lower than Pakistan's Saab 2000
Airavat the 1st indian AWACS also result in project failure

You are bringing Pakistan every thread (where ever you can), OK. But you even don't know the difference between Saab 2000 and modified Emb 145. The Flying Chapati was a tech demonstrator and the technologies developed worked well that experience gone into current programme. This is one of the reason why the project is moving so fast.

absolutely lower than Pakistan's Saab 2000

What is this 'absolutely lower'?

If you do this 'even Pakistan can do this, 'even Pakistan can do that' where ever it is eligible than don't hide at the end.

 

[Kinetic]

Little correction,dude.

This craft will be integrated with the radar and other equipments in Brazil only. The LSTAR radar has already been transported to Brazil for that.

They will test the fully integrated craft in Brazil first before handing it down to India in Dec 2011.

So, we are slightly ahead of the schedule!

No mate, Embraer will supply the modified Emb-145 according to Indian requirements while mission systems will be integrated by DRDO. LSTAR radar transported to Brazil but all other systems will be integrated in Bangalore. Thats the difficult part, system integrations.



nomi007 you need to read these about costs....


New Configuration of Indian AEW Aircraft Unveiled

The first ERJ-145 configured for the DRDO light AEW&C mission will roll out in 10 days in Brazil. This model displayed at Aero-India by the CABS shows some of the unique design features of this aircraft.

A tail view of the new EMB-145 platform showing a different tail configuration, as some of the antennae were moved to the side fairings.

The aircraft has five workstations operating the radar, ESM and other sensors on board.



DRDO CABS and Embraer have unveiled today the new transparent configuration of the ERJ-145 configured by Embraer for India’s Defense Research & Development Organization (DRDO) Center of Airborne Systems (CABS) indigenous Airborne Early Warning and Control (AWE& C) aircraft. While the original concept was to use the standard configuration of ERJ-145 developed for the Brazilian Air Force, which is already in operation with Greece and Mexico, the Indian application required more adaptations, as depicted in the model displayed at Aero-India at CABS.

The aircraft has five workstations operating the radar, ESM and other sensors on board.

According to Sergio Bellato, Director of marketing and sales Embraer, the first aircraft is expected to be unveiled at the rollout ceremony in Brazil on February 21, 2011.

This aircraft will fly during the first half of 2011 and is scheduled for delivery to the DRDO for mission systems integration during the second half. The remaining two aircraft will be delivered in 2012. Final integration will be done by the DRDO in Bangalore, India.

The aircraft is configured to carry the Active Array Antenna Unit (AAAU), developed by CABS. An ESM system, fully integrated with the AEW&C system is also on board (presumably housed in the bulges seen on the two sides).

The aircraft is equipped with five operating consoles and seven crew seats for resting, provision for aerial refueling probe provides the aircraft with extended mission duration.

The current contract provides for the development and procurement of the first three aircraft. While India has a need for more AEW&C, the air force has not decided yet what mix of aircraft to buy.

New Configuration of Indian AEW Aircraft Unveiled - Defense-Update

 

[Whiplash]

this not 1st time in the history
before this AWACS
DRDO AEW&CS is more costly & absolutely lower than Pakistan's Saab 2000
Airavat the 1st indian AWACS also result in project failure

What is wrong with you troll? Every project that gets cancelled is a failure? Who takes into account all the experience and tech know how gained? By your logic over 50% of aircraft projects are failures coz they didn't make it into mass production

 

[DesiGuy]

HAHAHAHAHA *pause* HAHAHAHAHAHA....

 

[tariqkhan18]

So more changes are being done to the system. What is the status. I hope DRDO is not going to extend further time and reap all the $$$.

 

[angeldemon_007]

So more changes are being done to the system. What is the status. I hope DRDO is not going to extend further time and reap all the $$$.

Its the only project on time.

this not 1st time in the history
before this AWACS
DRDO AEW&CS is more costly & absolutely lower than Pakistan's Saab 2000
Airavat the 1st indian AWACS also result in project failure

Who told you its was a failure ??/ The project was cancelled because there was too many causalities in that accident. If we would have stick to the project, we would have AWACS 5 years back.