Delayed by five years, INS Kalvari just a 'toothless' tiger shark?

[ashok321]

The Prime Minister described the INS Kalvari (Tiger Shark) submarine that he commissioned and embarked at the naval dockyards in Bombay on Thursday morning before he went to cast his vote in Ahmedabad as a prime example of “make in India”.

As it floats in the water today the tiger shark – the predator fish after which the boat is named -- is really toothless. It is five years behind schedule. It has been made by the French in India.

The INS Kalvari takes its name not only from the fish but also from the first submarine to join the Indian fleet, a Foxtrot, that was commissioned in Russia 50 years ago on December 8, 1967.

In 50 years, India has not been able to develop submarines on its own when the Navy has identified the boats as a potent necessity not only because of the country’s rough neighbourhood but also for the physics of the Indian Ocean. The viscosity of tropical waters makes submarines difficult to detect.

In the tropical waters around India's coasts, former navy chief Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat (retired) once told this correspondent, the laws of physics favour the use of submarines. "The total internal reflection of sound when there are thermal layers between 32 degrees and 24 degrees makes it virtually impossible for a submarine to be detected if it is 30 to 50 metres under the surface in summers and 100 metres in winters," he explained.


The Kalvari – the first of six Scorpene-class submarines first contracted in 2004 – has been commissioned without being adequately armed. It does not till today have any of the heavyweight torpedoes, its most important weapon since the Modi government blacklisted the Italian conglomerate Finmeccanica for its association with Agusta Westland in a deal by the UPA to procure VVIP helicopters. The Black Shark torpedoes for which the Kalvari’s firing tubes are tailored are made by Systemi Subacquael, a Finmeccanica subsidiary.

Over the past two years, the government has explored the option of replacing the Black Shark with a German-made HWT. But it was found that the tubes would require substantial re-engineering. The government is now again in talks to procure 98 Black Sharks to arm the six Kalvari-class boats.

The commissioning-without-arming of war vessels is of a pattern. In August 2014, the government commissioned the INS Kolkata, a destroyer, in Bombay and the INS Kamorta, a submarine hunter-killer in Visakhapatnam. The INS Kolkata was commissioned without its Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LR-SAMs) and the Kamorta, scandalisingly, was commissioned without its Active Towed Array Sonar (ATAS). It means the Kolkata was minus its primary land-attack weapon and the Kamorta was not – and still cannot – see adequately underwater. In the rear of the Kamorta is the ATAS’ empty housing.


Yet, the Kalvari, the Kamorta and the Kolkata are accepted by the navy as they are because of the rate of depletion of the fleet is not matched by the rate of acquisition of newer assets. India suffered its biggest peacetime loss of a warfighting system in the navy when the submarine INS Sindhurakshak went down in the water after an explosion in the Bombay naval dockyard in August 2013. Its cracked and burnt-out hull is a stark reminder of the tragedy that killed 17 men on Independence Day eve.

The Navy's submarine arm, that was awarded the President’s Colours, at Vizag only last week currently as 13 diesel-electric or conventional boats. (There are two nuclear submarines, the INS Chakra, that is nuclear-powered and on lease from Russia and the INS Arihant that is said to be both nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed).

At any given time it has five or six patrolling. In the last 12 years, in the time that it took to build the Kalvari, China has added 40 submarines to its fleet. Those submarines now criss-cross waters close to India.

The building of the Kalvari has been tortuous. There were disagreements with the French makers, the Naval Group (earlier DCNS and Thales) even after the first contract was signed. Then an Australian newspaper claimed last August that it has got a cache of 22,400 pages of data on the Scorpene including its design and signatures, a charge that both the Indian Navy and the French denied.

Prime Minister Modi this morning said the INS Kalvari will add more strength to the Indian Navy. He said India is focused on its global, strategic and economic interests in the Indian Ocean. That is why the modern and multi-dimensional Indian Navy plays a leading role in promoting peace and stability in the region, he said.

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[ashok321]

How is INS Arihant operational without torpedoes?
How did they commissioned her without weapons trial?

That submarine is gone kiss with lot of problem so far unresolved.
INS Arihant is in marine hospital in Vizag since many months.

Modi and Modi's media is hiding this fiasco by not reporting.

The last news was the following, after that there is a constant black out mandated by Modi to avoid a face palm moments:

A joint team of Russian and Indian scientists has been actively working round-the-clock to fix the critical issue.

 

[FuturePAF]

We get these stories about Indian mis-management, we should always remember the Indians have the funds and it is just a matter of political decision-making. We need to go full speed ahead with our modernization programs, as best we can afford, because assuming you enemy is weaker can easily be a fatal flaw.

 

[faithfulguy]

How is INS Arihant operational without torpedoes?
How did they commissioned her without weapons trial?

That submarine is gone kiss with lot of problem so far unresolved.
INS Arihant is in marine hospital in Vizag since many months.

Modi and Modi's media is hiding this fiasco by not reporting.

The last news was the following, after that there is a constant black out mandated by Modi to avoid a face palm moments:

India is hopefully responsible enough to not mount any nukes on any SLBM on Arihant, just in case that sub exploded with the nukes onboard.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

India is hopefully responsible enough to not mount any nukes on any SLBM on Arihant, just in case that sub exploded with the nukes onboard.

 

[faithfulguy]

It’s no joke. With Indian workmanship, this sub is a ticking time bomb. In this case, a ticking nuke.

 

[Tom M]

It’s no joke. With Indian workmanship, this sub is a ticking time bomb. In this case, a ticking nuke.

As long as our adversaries say, believe and convince themselves, we are more than happy with all this ridiculing. It's always in our best interest. LOL

 

[Photon]

How is INS Arihant operational without torpedoes?
How did they commissioned her without weapons trial?

That submarine is gone kiss with lot of problem so far unresolved.
INS Arihant is in marine hospital in Vizag since many months.

Modi and Modi's media is hiding this fiasco by not reporting.

The last news was the following, after that there is a constant black out mandated by Modi to avoid a face palm moments:

Are you claiming, that Indian navy posses no torpedoes, whatsoever.

Then I wonder how 9 Kilo class, 4 HDW class, 1 Akula Class continue to fuction?

Or just that, the specific long range torpedoes(black shark) India had ordered just for scorpene class subs would not arrive because their manufacturer was blacklisted due to corruption.

If it is the latter, pray tell me, why INS Arihant can not be armed with Set 65, T-53 or T-71/76 torpedoes, the standard torpedo armaments of Indian navy?

 

[#hydra#]

Are you claiming, that Indian navy posses no torpedoes, whatsoever.

Then I wonder how 9 Kilo class, 4 HDW class, 1 Akula Class continue to fuction?

Or just that, the specific long range torpedoes(black shark) India had ordered just for scorpene class subs would not arrive because their manufacturer was blacklisted due to corruption.

If it is the latter, pray tell me, why INS Arihant can not be armed with Set 65, T-53 or T-71/76 torpedoes, the standard torpedo armaments of Indian navy?

How dare you to question ashok,you modians doesn't have any clue on his reach in India defense matters. You modians should accept whatever ashok preaches here,if you start questions him with logical aspects be prepared to be in his block list.

 

[a.kumar]

India is hopefully responsible enough to not mount any nukes on any SLBM on Arihant, just in case that sub exploded with the nukes onboard.

You mean we can beat Chinese in poor workmanship like that of this incident >>>> Chinese submarine 361 (Ming-class submarine) that killed all 70 crew members on board in 2003 might kickstart your brain dead memory perhaps ??

 

[rajiv sharma]

The Prime Minister described the INS Kalvari (Tiger Shark) submarine that he commissioned and embarked at the naval dockyards in Bombay on Thursday morning before he went to cast his vote in Ahmedabad as a prime example of “make in India”.

As it floats in the water today the tiger shark – the predator fish after which the boat is named -- is really toothless. It is five years behind schedule. It has been made by the French in India.

The INS Kalvari takes its name not only from the fish but also from the first submarine to join the Indian fleet, a Foxtrot, that was commissioned in Russia 50 years ago on December 8, 1967.

In 50 years, India has not been able to develop submarines on its own when the Navy has identified the boats as a potent necessity not only because of the country’s rough neighbourhood but also for the physics of the Indian Ocean. The viscosity of tropical waters makes submarines difficult to detect.

In the tropical waters around India's coasts, former navy chief Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat (retired) once told this correspondent, the laws of physics favour the use of submarines. "The total internal reflection of sound when there are thermal layers between 32 degrees and 24 degrees makes it virtually impossible for a submarine to be detected if it is 30 to 50 metres under the surface in summers and 100 metres in winters," he explained.


The Kalvari – the first of six Scorpene-class submarines first contracted in 2004 – has been commissioned without being adequately armed. It does not till today have any of the heavyweight torpedoes, its most important weapon since the Modi government blacklisted the Italian conglomerate Finmeccanica for its association with Agusta Westland in a deal by the UPA to procure VVIP helicopters. The Black Shark torpedoes for which the Kalvari’s firing tubes are tailored are made by Systemi Subacquael, a Finmeccanica subsidiary.

Over the past two years, the government has explored the option of replacing the Black Shark with a German-made HWT. But it was found that the tubes would require substantial re-engineering. The government is now again in talks to procure 98 Black Sharks to arm the six Kalvari-class boats.

The commissioning-without-arming of war vessels is of a pattern. In August 2014, the government commissioned the INS Kolkata, a destroyer, in Bombay and the INS Kamorta, a submarine hunter-killer in Visakhapatnam. The INS Kolkata was commissioned without its Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LR-SAMs) and the Kamorta, scandalisingly, was commissioned without its Active Towed Array Sonar (ATAS). It means the Kolkata was minus its primary land-attack weapon and the Kamorta was not – and still cannot – see adequately underwater. In the rear of the Kamorta is the ATAS’ empty housing.


Yet, the Kalvari, the Kamorta and the Kolkata are accepted by the navy as they are because of the rate of depletion of the fleet is not matched by the rate of acquisition of newer assets. India suffered its biggest peacetime loss of a warfighting system in the navy when the submarine INS Sindhurakshak went down in the water after an explosion in the Bombay naval dockyard in August 2013. Its cracked and burnt-out hull is a stark reminder of the tragedy that killed 17 men on Independence Day eve.

The Navy's submarine arm, that was awarded the President’s Colours, at Vizag only last week currently as 13 diesel-electric or conventional boats. (There are two nuclear submarines, the INS Chakra, that is nuclear-powered and on lease from Russia and the INS Arihant that is said to be both nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed).

At any given time it has five or six patrolling. In the last 12 years, in the time that it took to build the Kalvari, China has added 40 submarines to its fleet. Those submarines now criss-cross waters close to India.

The building of the Kalvari has been tortuous. There were disagreements with the French makers, the Naval Group (earlier DCNS and Thales) even after the first contract was signed. Then an Australian newspaper claimed last August that it has got a cache of 22,400 pages of data on the Scorpene including its design and signatures, a charge that both the Indian Navy and the French denied.

Prime Minister Modi this morning said the INS Kalvari will add more strength to the Indian Navy. He said India is focused on its global, strategic and economic interests in the Indian Ocean. That is why the modern and multi-dimensional Indian Navy plays a leading role in promoting peace and stability in the region, he said.

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the propaganda is futile and meaningless , i made a house and furniture and fixtures need to be installed later on , that dies not mean i wasted my money on building that house as it is not livable today . such type of articles are written and promoted by the species frustrated to the highest of the levels one can go

 

[KapitaanAli]

You mean we can beat Chinese in poor workmanship like that of this incident >>>> Chinese submarine 361 (Ming-class submarine) that killed all 70 crew members on board in 2003 might kickstart your brain dead memory perhaps ??

A Western propaganda of course.
All Chinese subs are self-driving since 1949.

 

[Gurjot.S]

See how pakistanis and so called chinese feast on anti india threads. lol...

 

[ashok321]

Are you claiming, that Indian navy posses no torpedoes, whatsoever.

Then I wonder how 9 Kilo class, 4 HDW class, 1 Akula Class continue to fuction?

Or just that, the specific long range torpedoes(black shark) India had ordered just for scorpene class subs would not arrive because their manufacturer was blacklisted due to corruption.

If it is the latter, pray tell me, why INS Arihant can not be armed with Set 65, T-53 or T-71/76 torpedoes, the standard torpedo armaments of Indian navy?

Must you pre-empt and counter question when you have no pertinent answers?
These forum tactics are very old, come with something new.

What I said is the following:

How is INS Arihant operational without torpedoes?
How did they commissioned her without weapons trial?

If the Arihant is operational, what torpedoes is it carrying?
Were those torpedoes fired from INS Arihant during weapons trial?

 

[rambro]

Such a long delay can only be attributed to incompetence, corruption and complacency.