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WHAT IS THIS!! "These Are Not Terrorists: Pakistan Army and Nato Bomb Civillian Areas in Waziristan" this is DEMOCRACY BY USA!!! SHABAASH!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=gZaSzbmZ69g
 
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What the hell is going on here? Is the Pak Army getting bribed to start a civil war in it's own country? And on top of that the govt of pakistan always agrees with all the liars and crooks in NATO and actually says that the next 911 on America will come from Pakistan? :confused:
 
WHAT DA FK IS THIS!! "These Are Not Terrorists: Pakistan Army and Nato Bomb Civillian Areas in Waziristan" this is DEMOCRACY BY USA!!! SHABAASH!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=gZaSzbmZ69g

Dude the whole media is presenting one thing and if one video presents the other doesnt mean that its true and all rest is BS. Come on think, every eye these days is on Bajour. Do you think civilians are being killed and no one is raising its voice not even in the tribal areas where armed lashkars are actually helping the army to establish the writ by burning the taliban sanctuaries and those who are providing these militants with shelter.
There is some heavy duty fighting going on in Bajour. If its not the taliban then who it is, tribals no way in hell, the amount of sophistication shown by these militants and training all that stuff is not in the league of an armed tribal with AK-47. These guys there are well trained, their attacks are well cordinated and planned, they have well placed defences and they are openly challenging the writ of the state and they have to be taken out. We cannot keep our eyes shut as if nothing is happening, things are happening and we need to set our house in order before someone else decides enough is enough, lets go in and take care of it ourself.
 
It is clear that some Pakistanis are no tthinking of this as anything but US war, not Pakistan's war -- to whom do such Pakistaniis think they are doing a service to??
 
ooo hello Mr comeon from last 60 years kuch nahe tha now from last 6 years all taliban and everything alqaide etc AL-Qaudra even not xsist in 1999.... damn it! ARMY AND GOVT!!! through media Brain washing of all muslim umaa! DAMN! theez are innocent peoples....
 
Take it easy - truth will come out - no need ot lose your cool or terrorist scum
 
There is something definately fishy going on with Al-CIA-duh, Taliban and this incomprehensible war on a noun that nobody wants to define properly. It's an open secret that the terror war is based on the biggest lie of the 21st century but it is also more complicated than that. Nobody seems to explain it properly either but for sure what we see in the pakistani and US media is not the entire truth--that much is a given.
 
ooo hello Mr comeon from last 60 years kuch nahe tha now from last 6 years all taliban and everything alqaide etc AL-Qaudra even not xsist in 1999.... damn it! ARMY AND GOVT!!! through media Brain washing of all muslim umaa! DAMN! theez are innocent peoples....

None was happening because none engaged eachother back then. All that change with 9/11. Who do you think is beheading the FC jawan in frontier or abducting the chinese working for Pakistan? Whoever they are, talibans, AQ or CIA operatives, army is targeting them and inshallah will take them out.
 
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damn fkin board!!! jab sachaye loikoo tu saath he delete karde jati hay SHAME ON U THIS WEBSITE ADMINSS!

You were asked to read and respect forum rules but you've continued to post your usual verbal diahorrea in some kind of English dialect.

Unless you have a single digit IQ I expect you to understand and play by the rules.

One more insult and you're gone. :wave:
 
This from today's DAWN:



Defining the Taliban
By Muhammad Ali Siddiqi


WHILE President Asif Ali Zardari says we are in a state of war, it is amazing that the government and the media have not yet clearly spelled out how the enemy is to be defined.

Normally, an enemy is an enemy. But every war has, and must have, a well-developed jargon that conveys to the world and to the people the idea of the enemy as perceived by the belligerent power.

We know that in the First World War, Germany was the principal enemy. But the western allies told their people that they were fighting a “war to end all wars”. In the Second World War, Germany and Japan were the main foes, but to prove that they were not waging a war for territorial gains, the western Allies said their aim was to rid the world of fascism.

As for the Cold War that waged with full fury for more than four decades, it spawned a lingo that would remain surpassed for long for its venomous contents, astonishing variety and mind-boggling abundance. The media on both sides played a major part in denouncing the other bloc’s way of life.

Much of it has been forgotten — iron curtain, bamboo curtain, free world, brainwashing, rectification camps, gulags, communist subversion, double-speak, anti-people forces, exploiting classes, comprador capitalism, imperialism, classless society, class struggle, the Party, and much more.

In 2001, following 9/11, America coined a term which the Bush administration saw to it the world accepted — a ‘war on terror’. The shibboleth has caught on.

Today, Pakistan is at war, but who are we fighting and who is the enemy? The answer is the Taliban. But does the word Taliban convey to our people the contempt and revulsion attached to an enemy? For many, the Taliban represent a religious movement, not necessarily hostile to Pakistan and not necessarily an enemy of the people. For some, the Taliban are merely misguided zealots, who can be tamed and won over through dialogue and reason. Many people in this category — and they are a powerful segment of society, state and media — are not prepared to accept the Taliban as the enemy of the state of Pakistan.

The reason behind the government’s inability to evoke the cooperation of the vast majority of the people against the Taliban is its failure on the propaganda front. In fact, the government can hardly be said to be aware of the need for developing an intelligent and well-coordinated strategy for a media blitz on the enemy; on the contrary, it is the Taliban who are waging a very successful propaganda war against the government, advancing their cause insidiously and winning supporters through sections of the media with deep sympathy for them.

One popular channel calls the Taliban mazahmat kaar. This is a newly developed translation for resistance fighters. Mazahmat kaars is a term that can be applied to the Kashmiri guerillas in the Indian-occupied Valley and to the Palestinians in the Israeli-occupied territory. By no stretch of the imagination can Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore, Peshawar, D.I. Khan, Charsadda, Mingora and large tracts of Swat be called occupied territory.

In these cities and elsewhere the Taliban have murdered Pakistani soldiers, including a general belonging to the medical corps, have attacked military and civilian installations, mosques, Eid congregations, a peace jirga, at least one funeral procession and crowded markets, and blown up army, navy and air force buses carrying students. Chinese nationals are their favourite targets, because China is Pakistan’s “all-weather friend”. They have also slaughtered captured Pakistani soldiers. To call these criminals and rebels mazahmat kaars is to honour them and betrays a very clever attempt to whitewash their criminality.

The government has not bothered to evolve an appropriate term for the enemy. The state-controlled PTV refers to the Taliban as askaryet pasand — a very awkward translation for ‘militants’, as if we are talking not about a rebellion at home but about the distant Tupamaros in Uruguay.

There is only one and obvious term for the Taliban enemy — rebels in English and baaghi in Urdu. The Taliban have gone beyond terrorism; they are no more, like the Basque separatists in Spain, part-time terrorists. They have an army — a highly motivated one — and their sources of funding are unlimited; procuring arms is not a problem for them, some of their arms come from powers known to be hostile to Pakistan, and the sophistication of their weaponry has surprised our military.

Their intelligence system has been working efficiently, and often they hoodwink the Isaf and Americans on the other side of the Durand Line by disinformation. This has led quite often to wrong targets being bombed, with civilians being the casualties. This earns them sympathy points and the American-Isaf leadership loses.

They believe they are a state within a state, they have set up a parallel judicial system and are bold enough to show their judicial system in action to the media. Pakistan, thus, has to accept the challenge and crush the rebellion. For that it is essential that the Taliban and their supporters are stripped of the halo of respectability and presented to the people of Pakistan in their ugly reality for what they are — rebels. Helping crush these rebels is the duty of all Pakistanis because the Taliban are waging war on the Islamic world’s only nuclear power
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No doubt GOP strategy is very weak in regard to building up public opinion for this war. GOP needs to tell people the difference between "TTP" and "Taliban" as most of the people believe, they both are the same.
 
Sir,

Mosharraf Zaidi, writes:


Pakistan cannot effectively counter terror of either a domestic or an international nature until it demonstrates the qualities of an effective state.

Not only does Pakistan lack the basic capabilities that modern nation states must posses. It lacks them because it doesn't know why it should possess them
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Pakistan's bureaucracy and parliament are crawling with LSE, Cambridge and Harvard graduates. This is not country that lacks generic capacity. It is a country that lacks a specific and overarching will
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and then there is this:

What use are the world's best classrooms, and most revered texts in the absence of a moral compulsion to use them? And how could they ever be used effectively in the absence of an institutional framework to regulate their use?


There is a word for this absence of moral compulsion, to use clasrooms and revered texts - the word is banned on this forum, but you all know it.

:pop:
 
This from today's DAWN:



Defining the Taliban
By Muhammad Ali Siddiqi

There is only one and obvious term for the Taliban enemy — rebels in English and baaghi in Urdu. The Taliban have gone beyond terrorism; they are no more, like the Basque separatists in Spain, part-time terrorists. They have an army — a highly motivated one — and their sources of funding are unlimited; procuring arms is not a problem for them, some of their arms come from powers known to be hostile to Pakistan, and the sophistication of their weaponry has surprised our military.

Their intelligence system has been working efficiently, and often they hoodwink the Isaf and Americans on the other side of the Durand Line by disinformation. This has led quite often to wrong targets being bombed, with civilians being the casualties. This earns them sympathy points and the American-Isaf leadership loses.

They believe they are a state within a state, they have set up a parallel judicial system and are bold enough to show their judicial system in action to the media. Pakistan, thus, has to accept the challenge and crush the rebellion. For that it is essential that the Taliban and their supporters are stripped of the halo of respectability and presented to the people of Pakistan in their ugly reality for what they are — rebels. Helping crush these rebels is the duty of all Pakistanis because the Taliban are waging war on the Islamic world’s only nuclear power[/COLOR][/I][/B]
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I have serious reservations and concerns that american bombing on wrong target with civilians casualities, is delebrate strategy as its making Taliban strong by getting sympathy from citizens, against GOP to engage Pakiatan Authorities and create continue chaos for some long term vital benefits (may beultimately to find & capture Pakistani nukes, as one of their targets).

During last 3 months, Indian influences engagements with so-called Talibans, and delibrate negligencies of American Base agaisnt Pakistani agency reports for taliban movements, especially regarding Baitullah Mehsud as reported and complaint to USA authorities by Pakistani Government, supported my stated reservations.
 
Pak Patriot

We are all concerned about that - allow me to summarize as I understand:

1. It's OK for US to target individuals and groups in Pakistani territory, so long as they are these TTP types, but leave AQ and Afghan Taliban alone - is that right?

2. US may argue that th AQ and afghan Talib types present a danger to theor troops and therefore must be eliminated by them and that the FC and Fauj can handle the TTP - after all if the FC and FAUJ cannot handle the TTP, how can hope to handle Indian army?

As for "securing" Pak Nukes -- BS, complete psyops job! Again, it's not as if there 2 or 5 warheads all convenietly centrally located, awaiting transfer - these are dispersed, imagine how many teams would be required to "snatch" them and imagine the international consequences if even one US soldier is killed in the attempt and you know the media is going to go to town on that one.

Don't fall for this propaganda rubbish about how these Pakistani nuclear facilities are poorly guarded by rent a cop types.

And this Baitullah - he's a dead man. You'll see.
 

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