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Defending militancy: Why they kill civilians, attack the state


KARACHI:

An audio recording explaining why militants attack the state, military and civilians and engage in kidnappings and bank robberies has recently surfaced online.

The conversation is described as being between Harkat-e-Islami Uzbekistan’s Mufti Abuzar Hifzullah and an unnamed religious scholar reportedly employed by the Army. A website states that the conversation took place via a ‘wireless set’ in Shaktoi, South Waziristan.

Hifzullah could refer to Mufti Abuzar Khanjari, who BBC has reported as being part of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi’s Qari Zafar group.

The two discuss issues such as the destruction of mosques, legality of killing civilians and accepting US aid.

Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Major-General Athar Abbas said he was unaware of any such recording. As far as the presence of religious scholars or clerics with military units is concerned, Abbas said, “I don’t know how you would define a cleric, but the military has chaplains who are part of each unit. They are non-combatants, so they remain part of the base camp. They give sermons, but these are authorised, vetted and provided by the army. The chaplains are supervised by the commanding officer and do not do anything that is not in line with what he says.”

The audio cannot be independently verified, since the individuals do not name themselves and there is no time frame available for when the audio was recorded.

The recording begins with a discussion of the 2007 military operation at Lal Masjid, after which there was a surge in suicide attacks. The military scholar questions the existence of arms in Lal Masjid and asks why militants now attack mosques.

Hifzullah justifies this by saying that killing ‘munafiq’ [hypocrites] in mosques is legitimate, as is killing religious scholars – or anyone else – who does not agree with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan’s stance.

The conversation is an interesting insight into how militants and the army use religion to justify their work. Religious texts are cited by the men, albeit with very different interpretations.

The men debate accepting US aid. Hifzullah says it is a sin to take aid from infidels [referring to the US] to kill Muslims, which the military scholar challenges with the assertion that militants took American aid to fight in Afghanistan in the 1980s, which Hifzullah accepts. However, his justification is that it is permissible to take aid from non-believers if it does not “harm Islam and Shariat”.

The scholar challenges Hifzullah, saying that the military works for its lawful salary and does not take money from anyone.

According to Hifzullah, robbing banks is ‘legal’ and their ‘right’ because it is ‘maal-e-ghanimat’ [spoils of war]. Hifzullah says they attack banks which have government accounts. “Emptying Pakistani banks is jihad … the money has been earned by selling our fighters,” [likely referring to people handed over to US custody after 9/11]. He also defends kidnapping people for ransom; but says they do not kidnap minors.

The scholar asks how many Pakistanis have been killed compared to Americans. Hifzullah’s reply is that killing Pakistani officers is the same as killing Americans, as they consider them as one.

The scholar repeatedly brings up attacks on civilians, such as those in Lahore’s Moon Market and the December 2007 attack in Kamra on a Pakistan Aeronautical Complex bus that was transporting the children of air force employees. He asks why militants attack women and children, when doing so is forbidden in Islam.

Hifzullah says these ‘children’ were older and their deaths were a consequence of the militants’ campaign against the armed forces. “It is a military school; children also die when you are killing adults.”

Hifzullah thanks God for the 2005 earthquake which “killed thousands of military personnel”.

Defending militancy: Why they kill civilians, attack the state – The Express Tribune
 
There is a clear difference with people who love this country and people who dont. One of them is Pakistani while the other is not. Country above all else.
 
If Pakistanis can get out of GOOD Taliban & BAD Taliban theory, things will be fine.
 
I want no part of any sect which justifies killing of innocents and bombings of people offering prayers as happened in Jamrud. Killing of Muslims who some people believe may have gone astray is Khaarji belief. They considered Hazrat Osman (RA) and later even Hazrat Ali (RA) to be ‘Wajib ul qatl’.

I believe that Khaarjis were declared being outside the Umma hence the name Khaarji. I would rather be called a kafir than agree to killing of innocent human beings.
 
These kind of mullas are abnormal, illiteral and threat for religion and shortly they are biggest idiots of our time. He has no right to call himself Mufti but he is terrorist and nothing more and language how to punish them is same as for other terrorists.
 
I want no part of any sect which justifies killing of innocents and bombings of people offering prayers as happened in Jamrud. Killing of Muslims who some people believe may have gone astray is Khaarji belief. They considered Hazrat Osman (RA) and later even Hazrat Ali (RA) to be ‘Wajib ul qatl’.

I believe that Khaarjis were declared being outside the Umma hence the name Khaarji. I would rather be called a kafir than agree to killing of innocent human beings.

Niaz, you happen to be a think tank.

It would rather be better, had you done some research on the topic before posting what you did.
Even the name "Kharji" is incorrect.

Do you know of any "Kharji" ?
Do you know who they were, and where they are now, (if at all any ) ?

Feel free to come back and tell us all about what you learn.
 
well salman why dont u feel free to educate me i am sure niaz ji would come back later with his knowledge to enlighten me more
 
Niaz, you happen to be a think tank.

It would rather be better, had you done some research on the topic before posting what you did.
Even the name "Kharji" is incorrect.

Do you know of any "Kharji" ?
Do you know who they were, and where they are now, (if at all any ) ?

Feel free to come back and tell us all about what you learn.

I think I know enough about Islamic history and the ‘Khawrij’. In another thread I have briefly mentioned about them. According to Dr Tahir ul Qadri, Khwarij were the first terrorists in Islam as after fighting with Hazrat Ali (RA) at Siffin, they assassinated him. Their main philosophy was right to revolt against any ruler who deviated from their version of Islam. Khaarjis consider only the Sheikhayn to be legitimate rulers.

Even though TTP are Ashaari Muslims and follow Hanafi rules of Islamic jurisprudence. TTP and Takfiris follow this principle of Kharjites that any one who disagrees with their version can be killed. TTP has declared mosques as ‘Masjid e Zarrar’ and justified destruction. Can you find any Tradition written in any of the ‘Saheeh Sitta’ collection of the Hadith that suicide is okay in Islam? TTP practice this every day. No Islamic scholar before Syed Qutub ever theorized that it was okay to commit suicide. Whose Islam would you follow? As preached by the holy Prophet (PBUH) or by Syed Qutub of Egypt? I repeat my assertion that if Islam is what TTP and Taliban practice; I would rather be a kafir.

Before anything else I am human being and my conscience will not allow me to accept shedding of innocent blood as TTP do every day. I don’t deny that religious belief is a personal affair and you are welcome to follow Taliban and the Takfiris if their Islam appeals to you, just don’t push it down my throat.
 
I think millitancy and Islam do not mix nowadays so i would say nobody is right.
 
I think I know enough about Islamic history and the ‘Khawrij’. In another thread I have briefly mentioned about them. According to Dr Tahir ul Qadri, Khwarij were the first terrorists in Islam as after fighting with Hazrat Ali (RA) at Siffin, they assassinated him. Their main philosophy was right to revolt against any ruler who deviated from their version of Islam. Khaarjis consider only the Sheikhayn to be legitimate rulers.

Even though TTP are Ashaari Muslims and follow Hanafi rules of Islamic jurisprudence. TTP and Takfiris follow this principle of Kharjites that any one who disagrees with their version can be killed. TTP has declared mosques as ‘Masjid e Zarrar’ and justified destruction. Can you find any Tradition written in any of the ‘Saheeh Sitta’ collection of the Hadith that suicide is okay in Islam? TTP practice this every day. No Islamic scholar before Syed Qutub ever theorized that it was okay to commit suicide. Whose Islam would you follow? As preached by the holy Prophet (PBUH) or by Syed Qutub of Egypt? I repeat my assertion that if Islam is what TTP and Taliban practice; I would rather be a kafir.

Before anything else I am human being and my conscience will not allow me to accept shedding of innocent blood as TTP do every day. I don’t deny that religious belief is a personal affair and you are welcome to follow Taliban and the Takfiris if their Islam appeals to you, just don’t push it down my throat.

I am sad.
You presumed, and said a lot of things; and did not answer any of my questions.

I feel you are being subjective based on your personal grudge , so I shall retire from debating you.
at least, you corrected "Khawarij" from "Khariji" !

Think about this with a cool objective mind, and you will understand what I mean.
I believe that Khaarjis were declared being outside the Umma hence the name Khaarji.
 
Niaz Saheb

You are actually trying to "reason" with them? They kill us and say that anybody who disagrees with them deserves killing and you "reason" with them? Pakistan have to put them to the sword, they wanted "us or them", lets give it them, regardless of where they hide, in the mountains of the tribal areas, in the cities or in Arabia.
 

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