Decree by Shah Ismail in Azeri Turkish discovered

[Basbug]

You have no idea what official language means.During Safavid times,from Shah Ismael to Shah Abbas,the official language of the country was Persian,while the Azerbaijani was commonly used in court and military,especially during Ismael's era.After the capital moved to Isfahan,the court language became Persian too.
In wikipedia,all of the information are available with sources:

Persian (official, coinage,civil administration, court (since Isfahan became capital),high literature, literary, theological discourse,diplomatic correspondence, belles-lettres (adab), historiography, court-based religious posts)
Azerbaijani (court, religious dignitaries, military)


Still I don't understand what you are trying to prove.Shah Ismael,like other kings,was ruling Iran,not Turkistan,not Turkish countries.He never called himself king of Turkiye,Ottomans or any other similar groups,he called himself king of Iran(with all the Persians,Kurds,Turks and those who lived in it),nothing more,nothing less.It is not important for me what his ethnic background is,the important part is he (Safavids) established an empire and unified Iran again and made it rich and powerful.They spread Iranian culture and heritage and hegemony.
But you are the only one here that is obsessed with his ethnic and language,it's like some kind of mental disease.Get over it,before Safavids were Azeris,Kurds,Persians or etc,they were Iranian.

When you rule a country it becomes that countries? So if persian ruled Brazil he's Brazilian? You don't make sense, there's not one Iranian or Persian I've seen who sees Səfəvi as theirs, they do with the other Persian ones though, that says a lot, as I said let's say Persian was ruling Spain, he will most likely use Spanish because it's a known language and spread but it will be a Persian empire NOT SPANISH.

 

[kollang]

pan turks.im sure one day your troll children will join this forum and they will claim.turks rulled Iran from 1990 to XYZN because khamenei was a turk and one day he spoke azeris in one of his speachs.

 

[Serpentine]

When you rule a country it becomes that countries? So if persian ruled Brazil he's Brazilian? You don't make sense, there's not one Iranian or Persian I've seen who sees Səfəvi as theirs, they do with the other Persian ones though, that says a lot, as I said let's say Persian was ruling Spain, he will most likely use Spanish because it's a known language and spread but it will be a Persian empire NOT SPANISH.

I know it's very hard for you to understand because you are born to troll,but you didn't get whole point of my post.

I am saying,I don't care what their ethnic is,because all of them were Iranians,were born in Iran,raised in Iranian lands,spread Iranian culture and etc.no matter if they were Turks,Persians,Kurds,Gilaks or from other ethnic groups.Is that too hard to understand?It doesn't require a very high IQ,so you should qualify to understand it.

Unlike you,we are not obsessed with race and ethnics,we are obsessed with nationality.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

pan turks.im sure one day your troll children will join this forum and they will claim.turks rulled Iran from 1990 to XYZN because khamenei was a turk and one day he spoke azeris in one of his speachs.

hahahahahahahaah

good one!

 

[Basbug]

pan turks.im sure one day your troll children will join this forum and they will claim.turks rulled Iran from 1990 to XYZN because khamenei was a turk and one day he spoke azeris in one of his speachs.

No pan-Fars, truth hurts.

 

[Basbug]

Also it's funny how you made up this pan-Turk when actually you are a hardcore pan-Fars.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Also it's funny how you made up this pan-Turk when actually you are a hardcore pan-Fars.

Look Turk, I remember you saying what are Iranians doing in Turkish section? I ask you the same, what you doing here? No one wants to speak to you, get out.

 

[Musalman]

What is the purpose of this thread.

Its a Middle Eastern version of Pakistan India thread ;-) Look how stupid we all look when we fight

 

[Targon]

Another stupid ethnic flaming thread, completely unnecessary.

I will just comment on a single issue though, as far as I see what you guys defend here(Iran with every ethnicity, Iranian culture etc.) is similar to situation in Turkey, in fact thats simply Persian nationalism, you're trying to unify every ethnicity in your country around the Persian based upper Iranian nationalism which is pretty close to Turkey's situation, thats why you immediately react when someone in real or internet embracing their own ethnical nationalism(Ethnicities in Iran), what stops the rise of ethnical nationalism in these days is generally religion which I think still holds the ethnicities in Iran together(may be situation would be different if Shahs were still ruling the country) but its not mean it will continue like this, major part of the multi-ethnic countries faced-facing ethnical problems.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Another stupid ethnic flaming thread, completely unnecessary.

I will just comment on a single issue though, as far as I see what you guys defend here(Iran with every ethnicity, Iranian culture etc.) is similar to situation in Turkey, in fact thats simply Persian nationalism, you're trying to unify every ethnicity in your country around the Persian based upper Iranian nationalism which is pretty close to Turkey's situation, thats why you immediately react when someone in real or internet embracing their own ethnical nationalism(Ethnicities in Iran), what stops the rise of ethnical nationalism in these days is generally religion which I think still holds the ethnicities in Iran together(may be situation would be different if Shahs were still ruling the country) but its not mean it will continue like this, major part of the multi-ethnic countries faced-facing ethnical problems.

There is no problem with people embracing their ethnicity. We embrace that. But look at the thread starter, is he Iranian? No. Does he have history of separatist agenda? Yes.

Iranian Turks are more then welcome to post stuff regarding their ethnicity in this section.

 

[Targon]

Logically thats what should be done and thats what people says in theory, but let it be Iranian or Turkish nobody would be ok here if lets say a Kurd or Azeri promotes his own ethnic nationalism and rejects the unification policy of the state.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Logically thats what should be done and thats what people says in theory, but let it be Iranian or Turkish nobody would be ok here if lets say a Kurd or Azeri promotes his own ethnic nationalism and rejects the unification policy of the state.

By ethnic nationalism do you mean separatism? Then of course that will not be tolerated by any nation. But if you mean they want to share Turkish customs, culture or whatever related to Azerbaijan region. Then that is more then fine.

 

[Targon]

Nationalism is not only limited with these you know, what you say is basically do whatever you want unless you start to threat my own interests, exactly same with the situation in Turkey.

They will may reject policy of your state about the unification of the Iran under the Persian centered Iranian identity, they will may think that they should be govern themselves in an autonomous region that seperated from you , their own history view and nationalist feelings will contradict with you(similar to you and Azeris of Azerbaijan in many cases).

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Nationalism is not only limited with these you know, what you say is basically do whatever you want unless you start to threat my own interests, exactly same with the situation in Turkey.

They will may reject policy of your state about the unification of the Iran under the Persian centered Iranian identity, they will may think that they should be govern themselves in an autonomous region that seperated from you , their own history view and nationalist feelings will contradict with you(similar to you and Azeris of Azerbaijan in many cases).

Autonomy is not on the table. But language rights, official languages of nation, schools, culture etc can be discussed.

No country in the world would allow talks of separatism and autonomy, why you think Iran is different?

 

[Targon]

I'll try to explain simplier, you're repeating the things that a Turkish nationalist would say about Kurds, thats basically, if you follow my country's Persian/Turkish based unification policy, I may give you some rights that will not change that situation, nationalism is not just about folklore or language or anything like that, they will be unhappy with your Persian/Turkish centered state policy, you know how you contradict with ASQ from history to culture to politics here ? an ethnic nationalist from your country will be similar because as I said nationalism is not just about language or folklore.