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Declining marriage rate affects everyone in US.

US people are fcuking over sex, and just dont get married. Even if they get married they cheat and got divorce. Almost everyone marry non virgin.

BTW whose wife here is virgin?
single mothers with many babies is an open, blank welfare cheque from the government. women here lure horny but loser guys to have one nightstands with an have babies, since the guy is a loser, or untraceable, no child support comes in and the single mother just makes babies to collect welfare cheques, pockets most of the money and spends the bare minimum on the life of the child. explains why most new generation americans are complete insecure loosers with no hope of stability.
 
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The destruction of the family unit and over sexualization and fornication will the greatest reason for the down-fall of the western civilisation, just give it some time.
 
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@Jungibaaz @VCheng how much of it in layman percentage would be marital or social rather and how much is economics?

I could probably paste a dozen articles on how millennial lifestyle and economic stratification versus boomers makes it much much more difficult to maintain a family structure.

The current housing market inflation may seem like a supply issue but it directly impacts couples looking to “settle down” and put roots

Also, marriage is measured in licenses whereas couples living together (probably just holding off for a big day or not ready to commit) that doesn’t speak to the actual social constructs of offspring.

Well, anything we may say is at best a guess because of how hard it is to model and quantify these effects, especially when comparing them against one another due to the collinearity discussed before, and the fact that some of these factors are causing and reinforcing one another.

You raise a valid point about modern day difficulties and financial hurdles. I'll go one further in saying that millennials (and younger) are, and will be, far poorer relative to the generations that came before them in the West. The West is undergoing secular stagnation, market forces have been arrested in trying to bailout existing wealth, countries like China are eating into the West's historical monopoly of having the lion's share of the global middle class, and most of the countries we're considering are seeing ageing populations. So if there were ever a time to see falling birth rates due to economic constraints, it would be now.

However, my best guess is that the majority component is cultural and societal, and of course structural too. First off, the falling birth rates pre-date the current generation of young people, birth rates (quoted as 'TFR' in academic papers) have been falling across Europe for 200 years. Plenty of these countries saw falling birth rates even when real wages were rising and unemployment rates were low. Those were time periods in which having kids would be becoming more affordable, yet birth rates were still falling.

It also used to be the case in the US that the more educated women would be less likely to be mothers, now that gap has narrowed to much lower levels according to Pew.

That East Asian paper I talked about in the previous pages, I managed to find it, and it quotes that some one third of the fall in birth rates that they've observed can be directly attributed to increased labour participation of women. So I guess this lends some credence to assigning more weight to cultural, structural, and societal trends. Another paper I've just skimmed over right now says that the nature and instability of modern relationships, as well as the cost of having a family, make it too risky or just not possible to have kids. While this might lend a little credence to the economic view, the paper also says that government efforts to subsidise childcare, or other government transfers and payments during pregnancy, or via assisted reproduction, these efforts do little to move the fertility rate. They may be beneficial for families, but the effect on TFR is insignificant. So I suppose that even when some governments throw money at the problem, they can only do so much to fight the trend.

So to make long story short, I'm inclined to believe that culture and societal trends are bigger than the economic factors in causing falling birth rates. But that is just a guess.
 
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@Jungibaaz @VCheng how much of it in layman percentage would be marital or social rather and how much is economics?

I could probably paste a dozen articles on how millennial lifestyle and economic stratification versus boomers makes it much much more difficult to maintain a family structure.

The current housing market inflation may seem like a supply issue but it directly impacts couples looking to “settle down” and put roots

Also, marriage is measured in licenses whereas couples living together (probably just holding off for a big day or not ready to commit) that doesn’t speak to the actual social constructs of offspring.

This is a multifactorial issue, no doubt. The Economist did a special issue on marriage and society a few years ago, and that issue has several great articles (linked at the bottom for anyone interested).One of the interesting points they make that marriage has "moved upmarket" meaning that it remains a desirable goal for the upper middle and middle classes for the economic and social benefits it generates, but not for an increasing share of the lower classes. This would imply that there is a basic undercurrent of economics that determines what is built on top of it depending on the norms of each society.






 
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This is a multifactorial issue, no doubt. The Economist did a special issue on marriage and society a few years ago, and that issue has several great articles (linked at the bottom for anyone interested).One of the interesting points they make that marriage has "moved upmarket" meaning that it remains a desirable goal for the upper middle and middle classes for the economic and social benefits it generates, but not for an increasing share of the lower classes. This would imply that there is a basic undercurrent of economics that determines what is built on top of it depending on the norms of each society.






US family value is on steep decline and in continuous declining trend . How to have a good marriage not to mention long lasting marriage? No one is willing to make sacrifices. Men are not willing to work on the weekend repairing home. There is not leisure time to play pokers. So how to maintanice a good family in US. Most likely another divorce case. Hahaha.....
 
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US family value is on steep decline and in continuous declining trend . How to have a good marriage not to mention long lasting marriage? No one is willing to make sacrifices. Men are not willing to work on the weekend repairing home. There is not leisure time to play pokers. So how to maintanice a good family in US. Most likely another divorce case. Hahaha.....

At least we do not have quotas for the number of children we are allowed to have by communist overlords.
 
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At least we do not have quotas for the number of children we are allowed to have by communist overlords.
Before a child is borned the parent already divorced, how? Born out or in wedlock, in is more common or out? The way you are answering is telling me out of wedlock right? 😁
 
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Before a child is borned the parent already divorced, how? Born out or in wedlock, in is more common or out? The way you are answering is telling me out of wedlock right? 😁

Do your communist overlords get to decide that for you in addition to a child quota? :D
 
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Unfortunately I am not from CN.😜 Are your borned out of wedlock? Relax😂

US will not have problem whether it is borned out/in wedlock. As this can be prevented before it take place. Abortion is the answer. Most States is pro abortion, only Texas is exempted.
Nothing to be ashamed of abortion if you are not religious.
@VCheng one question since you are marriage consultant from US.

First I know love is blind.

Well it is easy to get a playmate in US however they are less probability to get a soul mate in US why?
Playmate Vs Soulmate please elaborate please.....
 
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Contrary to the advice of sexpert, virgin marriage is the happiest. Virgin is very important. Those who say virgin not important are liars.

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Contrary to the advice of sexpert, virgin marriage is the happiest. Virgin is very important. Those who say virgin not important are liars.

Please be careful in what you say. The first wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH was Hazrat Khadija AS, a widow.
 
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Western society has 'progressed' to where women are working. Before, a single income was needed to keep a household prosperous. Now a double income is needed simply to survive. Rising living standards? :p:

Yes, Mgtow is losers, sure. It however shows to what extent American men are burned that many go down this path.

A lot of American men aren't complaining about women per se, thay are complaining about American women. Hence the drive to foreign shores for a spouse.
It is peer pressure from rising living standards, not for the desire of survival.
Contrary to the advice of sexpert, virgin marriage is the happiest. Virgin is very important. Those who say virgin not important are liars.

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Ignorance is a bliss. Sometimes, knowledge can be a curse, especially when you are equipped with enough knowledge to start comparing.
 
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Please be careful in what you say. The first wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH was Khadija PBUH, a widow.

Marrying a widow and having too many playmates is comparing apple and orange.
The problem in US is that family values, spiritual values, good values are almost gone.
 
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For Men in the US getting married is a very risky affair... If they get divorced, even if it's due to his wife cheating.. then the guy will be kicked out of their house, have his kids and half of his assets taken over by his wife and he has to keep on paying child support... while his wife can happily bring her new lover to live in their house..

Sad but true!!
And also there are so many women DESPERATE to find suitable men. Women come out on top after marriage and I didn't mean that in some cheesy way ;) Financially, it is often a big loss for men and so they are reluctant to get married. Somehow the system is rigged against men.

Feminism is turning women to mercenary He-Men like creatures in America and possibly in Western Europe too.

PS. I know a white dude in his 70s; poor but healthy. He went to a 4 July party on Monday and yesterday he told me that there were FIVE women interested in him! They are not 'young' but much younger then him. I told him to pick one and live his life!
 
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It is peer pressure from rising living standards, not for the desire of survival.

Everybody is different, but at the lower level of society one income simply isn't enough.
 
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