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Declare Rajapakse a war criminal: Indian CM

Govt of India has to balance tamil sensitivities with international relations.
But if war crimes are committed(which most western countries are saying, not India) should not it be investigated?
LTTE is finished they paid price for their deeds, but surely tamils there need justice, and bringing the criminals who committed war crimes should be part of that justice.

Let the west investigate and prosecute their own war crimes/war criminals first before pointing fingers at others.

What are they doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about Hiroshima? Vietnam? NATO bombing of Serbia? Any convictions? Any war crime investigations?

Any war crime investigation at THIS TIME is in no way going to contribute to reconciliation/peace/harmony on the ground in Sri Lanka itself. It is only going to deepen mistrust between different communities.

I think the west is just pissed off because Sri Lanka didn't stop the war when the west wanted it to and now they are trying to 'teach a lesson' to the island. At the time ambassador from the USA actually wanted to spirit away the LTTE leaders to a third country. Imagine, say, Saudi Arabia wanting to do that to Osama Bin Ladin and his cohorts when the USA was about to nab him.

Plus any war crime investigation will also necessarily involve looking into the Indian establishment's role in the conflict. Basically, the Indian government knew about everything happening in Sri Lanka.

And what about the war crimes committed by the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) in Sri Lanka on Tamil civilians?
 
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Let the west investigate and prosecute their own war crimes/war criminals first before pointing fingers at others.

What are they doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about Hiroshima? Vietnam? NATO bombing of Serbia? Any convictions? Any war crime investigations?

Any war crime investigation at THIS TIME is in no way going to contribute to reconciliation/peace/harmony on the ground in Sri Lanka itself. It is only going to deepen mistrust between different communities.

I think the west is just pissed off because Sri Lanka didn't stop the war when the west wanted it to and now they are trying to 'teach a lesson' to the island. At the time ambassador from the USA actually wanted to spirit away the LTTE leaders to a third country. Imagine, say, Saudi Arabia wanting to do that to Osama Bin Ladin and his cohorts when the USA was about to nab him.

Plus any war crime investigation will also necessarily involve looking into the Indian establishment's role in the conflict. Basically, the Indian government knew about everything happening in Sri Lanka.

And what about the war crimes committed by the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) in Sri Lanka on Tamil civilians?

Were war crimes committed by IPKF. It was on the invitation of lanka and returned when they were not needed. Nobody stops lanka from investigating it, you surely should.
All this hiroshima, vietnam talk is just for diversion, would you say the same about Milosevic and Saddam too?

I would say the investigation and punishment of criminals will ensure that tamils will have more trust in their govt. Brushing it under the carpet will only mean they will keep having the mistrust.
On the other hand, some of the charges may as well be proved to be wrong too.
 
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Were war crimes committed by IPKF. It was on the invitation of lanka and returned when they were not needed. Nobody stops lanka from investigating it, you surely should.
All this hiroshima, vietnam talk is just for diversion, would you say the same about Milosevic and Saddam too?

I would say the investigation and punishment of criminals will ensure that tamils will have more trust in their govt. Brushing it under the carpet will only mean they will keep having the mistrust.
On the other hand, some of the charges may as well be proved to be wrong too.

It is India that should investigate the war crimes of its own soldiers.

Has it done so?

If not, why not?

Has India investigated and punished those who armed, trained and funded the LTTE?

If not, why not?

Retributive justice is not going to serve the cause of peace or reconciliation in Sri Lanka.The attempt for a 'war crime' investigation is just a means of trying to punish the GOSL for wiping out the Tamil Tigers, nothing more. The Tigers are gone so this is just a one way street.

If people actually cared for civilians they would have pressurised the LTTE to let them go - or taken stringent action against the LTTE to force them into seeking a peaceful resolution to the conflict. But nothing like this was done. India itself could have done this - and saved the lives of many civilians. But it didn't. So I take these calls for a war crimes investigation with a huge pinch of salt.
 
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Now that the war is over, Sri Lanka must convince the Tamils that they are equal citizens by giving them means to rebuild themselves. Most of my Lankan Tamil friends are relieved that LTTE is gone. But some of them still are a bit skeptical about the society being free of discrimination. SL is a country with a huge potential and it has everything to become a model to follow at least in S.Asia.

Jayalalitha's statements really disgust me. She is such a mean spirited lady and has always created hostility with neighboring states, countries and the central government.
 
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Jayalalitha's statements really disgust me. She is such a mean spirited lady and has always created hostility with neighboring states, countries and the central government.

Anyone who is remotely informed about the goings on in Tamil Nadu politics is aware of this... from breakfast-to-lunch fasts, people setting themselves on fire, burning effigies, giving out colour tvs for votes, scams and fraud, screaming against Hindi, Karnataka and Kerala (which ever is the current flavour) and of course perennial bête noire Sri Lanka... the list just goes on.

Thankfully Sri Lanka does not deal with Tamil Nadu but with the Indian Central Government.
 
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Now that the war is over, Sri Lanka must convince the Tamils that they are equal citizens by giving them means to rebuild themselves. Most of my Lankan Tamil friends are relieved that LTTE is gone. But some of them still are a bit skeptical about the society being free of discrimination. SL is a country with a huge potential and it has everything to become a model to follow at least in S.Asia.

Tamils aren't the only ones who suffered over the last 20 years due to war and violence. All ethnic groups in Sri Lanka have grievances. All these grievances need to be addressed for a proper solution. Addressing only Tamil concerns is not going to work.

EG The SL government is currently in negotiations with the biggest Tamil party the TNA (which supported the LTTE) about a political solution but WITHOUT releasing any of the details and without taking into account the views of the opposition political parties and other smaller Tamil political parties. Not going to work in my opinion. Without a consensus and without ALL ethnic groups (not just Tamils) generally happy with the political solution it is not going to work.
 
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Now that the war is over, Sri Lanka must convince the Tamils that they are equal citizens by giving them means to rebuild themselves. Most of my Lankan Tamil friends are relieved that LTTE is gone. But some of them still are a bit skeptical about the society being free of discrimination. SL is a country with a huge potential and it has everything to become a model to follow at least in S.Asia.

Jayalalitha's statements really disgust me. She is such a mean spirited lady and has always created hostility with neighboring states, countries and the central government.

All Sri Lankan citizens have equal rights, Even the highest position of Sri Lanka. If anyone wants to become President of Sri Lanka they can participate presidential election, and Yes, check all our previous presidential elections, you'll see how many Tamil/Muslims candidates. But any of them haven't won yet, why? They should become as "National Leaders", to become national leader they have to forget their race at some point, have to understand the thoughts of majority of all Sinhala/Tamil/Muslim and all other communities. Black skin Barack Obama became as President of America coz he represented majority of Americans. not the black Americans. Manmohan Singh is PM of India coz he represents majority of Indians thoughts. I've no problem for voting any Tamil/Muslim or other ethnic Presidential candidate if they represent majority of Sri Lankan thoughts! Our former FM who was a Tamil had qualifications to become as national leader, what happened to him? Tamil Tigers killed him!
 
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DOn't worry,today Tamil nadu people has kicked karuna's @SS and jaylalitha is CM.... :tup:

He actually thought he could fool tamil people by going on fake "fasts" that too only for few hours.What he did not take into account was that tamil people clearly saw all his jugad as only public posturing and i have to give credit to the media they never let the matter die they kept it in the spotlight nicely.It also rumoured that his family has made HUGE investments in srilanka and thats why he is so soft on the lankan issue.

As for as jayalalitha is concerned she is even worst than karuna....she is the biggest DON in tamil nadu....you just have to see what her criminal gangs did when she was in power to understand what i am saying.
 
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@Skyline, samv. We had a Sri Lankan Tamil on this forum. He's not active now post this was an interesting post of his.


Thank you for your welcome. I'm glad that you found my posts to be of some use, however I have to add that I'm not exactly an expert on those topics so pls take them with a pinch of salt, as I'm sure you will :)



As for the disconnect between The Srilankan Identity and the Lankan Tamil identity; well it is no secret that the overwhelming majority of lankan Tamils feel that way.To be honest id be hard pressed to find any who actually supports the government.

The reasons are quite lengthy but I will try to give a brief overview.

# The primary reason is the fact that we are treated as second class citizens by the government (which, needless to say is always Sinhalese dominated...the result of a failure to include any republican form of government (federalism etc etc)) even though we have been in the island at least as long as the majority ethnic group; the Sinhalese .


# The only "fault" of the lankan Tamils was to be the most economically and academically successful community in the island. A success brought by an ingrained respect for education and hard work
(for example, the first Asian Surgeon was a Lankan Tamil).

However, it did not take long for the politicians of newly independent Lanka to blame their inability to provide education and employment to the southern Sinhalese masses by using the time-honoured practice of "blame it on the other guy"..a tactic used throughout history by despots and tyrants of all shades. What happened/s in Lanka post 1948 is a version of what happened in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. "They took yer jibs! thy took yer jibs!". It is always easy to demonize the "other".

It is important to note that we have always called for a fair and just democratic rule, with no favoritism shown.


# Discrimination, both overt and not so overt based on ethnic identity, reinforcing the notion that somehow we are not "real" srilankans, (for example, the constitution gives preference to Buddhism, a foreign religion whereas Hinduism which predated it, as well as other religions are afforded a secondary role)even though it was the Lankan Tamils(The vast majority being Hindus) who did most of the heavy lifting for gaining the independence of this nation from the British Raj.


# 60 years of anti Tamil pogroms, discriminatory laws and the resulting civil war got rid of any possibility that things would return to a sense of normality. As we see it, Lanka right now is in a far worse shape(for the Tamil minority) than it had ever been in the past.


I would consider myself a lankan if sweeping changes are made to the constitution, giving federal powers to states, and reducing the power wielded by the president. Without a federal model, the Tamils, who constitute the minority will always be given the short end of the stick. The current government, probably one of the most chauvinistic ever to come to power; is definitely not going to help.

Former Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew once said:

"In terms of numbers, the Ceylonese, like the Eurasians, are among the smallest of our various communities. Yet in terms of achievements and contributions to the growth and development of the modern Singapore and Malaysia they have done more than warranted by their numbers. In the early days of Malaysia's and Singapore's history the civil service and the professions were manned by a good number of Ceylonese. Even today the Ceylonese community continues to play a prominent role in these and other fields of civil life. For example in Singapore, today, the Speaker of Parliament is a Ceylonese. So is our High Commissioner in Great Britain. So is our Foreign Minister. In the Judiciary, in the civil service, in the university, in the medical Service and in the professions they continue to make substantial contributions out of all proportion to their numbers. They are there not because they are members of a minority community but on the basis of merit. The point is that the Ceylonese are holding their own in open competition with communities far larger than them. They have asked for no special favour or consideration as a minority. What they have asked for – and quite rightly – is that they should be judged on their merits and that they be allowed to compete with all other citizens fairly and without discrimination. This, as far as the Singapore Government is concerned, is what is best for all of us. I believe that the future belongs to that society which acknowledges and rewards ability, drive and high performance without regard to race, language or religion."

(ps: by Ceylonese he meant Ceylonese Tamils)

Here are a couple of reports by the Ex Singaporean Premier Lee Kuan Yew about the Causes of the Lankan conflict, and the problems the Lankan Tamils have with the Government. Check them out if you like

Lee Kuan Yew`s perception about Tamil Ethnic problem in Sri Lanka. - Sri Lanka


His new book, Citizen Singapore: How To Build A Nation - Conversations with Lee Kwan Yew’ by Prof Tom Plate has some more of his sage observations

transCurrents: Mahinda Rajapakse is a Sinhalese Extremist Says Lee Kwan Yew

Another interesting article which has a briefly covers the major events post 1948

The Jaffna Tamils
The Jaffna Tamils


feel free to ask me for any questions or clarifications you might have


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Your thoughts ?
 
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@Skyline, samv. We had a Sri Lankan Tamil on this forum. He's not active now post this was an interesting post of his.




Your thoughts ?

I don't know whether he lives here or another country.

Government has Tamil/Muslim parties, Parties such as CWC with government since in the beginigng! And also there are former Tamil Tiger members and their new parties support in this current government! Are you sure he lives in Sri Lanka?

Tamil and Muslim ministers/Deputy Ministers in current government.
Senior Ministers- A. H. M. Fowzie (Urban Affairs)
Cabinet Ministers/deputy Ministers
Arumugam Thondaman Livestock and Rural Community Development
Douglas Devananda Traditional Industries & Small Enterprise Development
A. L. M. Athaullah Local Government & Provincial Councils
Rishad Bathiyutheen Industry & Commerce
Rauff Hakeem Justice
Vinayagamoorthy Muralitharan Resettlement
Faizer Mustapha Technology & Research
Muthu Sivalingam Economic Development
N. L. A. M. Hisbullah Child Development and Women’s Affairs
Segue Dawood Co-operatives and Internal Trade
Abdul Cardar Environment

Also Government has Tamil/Muslim MPs.

If you want more info > parliament.lk


Even in the last local election which held few months ago when pro LTTE party, TNA got around 37% votes, government able to secure 27% - 30% percentages.
 
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This law protects non muslims from majority muslims in case of any real blashphemy.It is better for the state to act than te angry mobs.

how does this law protect when the punishment is death anyway?
 
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