Dear chinese and the other friends.

[01km]

Lots of Vn prophet said that, lots of men will die in East sea, and the USa will lead the war against China right ?^^.

Trust 50% percent only bro.^^

I am going to buy some stocks but I don't know when China fire. If the war happen stocks will become paper
Live behind big/fool neighbor is suck !

 

[NiceGuy]

I am going to buy some stocks but I don't know when China fire. If the war happen stocks will become paper
Live behind big/fool neighbor is suck !

China's bussiness having Big problem now, lots of China stock in US got Red flag due to numerous allegations of fraud, soon China will make a big mess

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Interactive Brokers Group sounded the loudest alarm on the companies on Tuesday, as it prohibited clients from borrowing money to take leveraged positions on 160 Chinese stocks due to numerous allegations of fraud.

Discount brokerage TD Ameritrade also said on Wednesday it is closely monitoring U.S.-listed shares of Chinese companies.

"All these names are dangerous and it is probably the responsible thing to do to show investors, 'Listen, you can buy them, no problem, you just can't buy them on margin,'" said Andrew Left,

News Headlines

 

[bonjourvietnam]

China govt is crying because they steal Vietnam island and sea.

 

[hieukbhn]

Why are you picking on the Vietnamese? In their hearts they love China and want to be part of China. Just look at their flag! It is like the upper corner of the PRC flag. Better that China welcomes the Vietnamese into its brotherly arms, kisses their sweet faces, and helps them to overcome their poverty .....

In other words: "Can't we all just get along??!!"

You should read more about Vietnam History, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam was established in 1945, The People's Republic of China (PRC), established in 1949.
Our Flag similar to China does'nt mean we're a part of China.
As ancient as 4000 years, Vietnamese culture has become so diverse.
But the Chineses never stop conquer Vietnam, they dominate our contry 1000 years, but not our people.
All Vietnamese hate China.
In Vietnam, every one usully say " Sát Thát" (殺韃) mean "kill CN".

Read the history about battle " Bach Dang" " Chi Lang" "Dong Da", you 'll see how we flight againt China along 2000 years

 

[NiceGuy]

You should read more about Vietnam History, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam was established in 1945, The People's Republic of China (PRC), established in 1949.
Our Flag similar to China does'nt mean we're a part of China.
As ancient as 4000 years, Vietnamese culture has become so diverse.
But the Chineses never stop conquer Vietnam, they dominate our contry 1000 years, but not our people.
All Vietnamese hate China.
In Vietnam, every one usully say " Sát Thát" (殺韃) mean "kill CN".

Read the history about battle " Bach Dang" " Chi Lang" "Dong Da", you 'll see how we flight againt China along 2000 years

In Vietnam, every one usully say " Sát Thát" (殺韃) mean "kill CN".

Sat That means kill Mongolian in 12 century bro ^^.

 

[hieukbhn]

Sat That means kill Mongolian in 12 century bro ^^.

I just want to tell Pakistan, India, America friend, not to Chinese

 

[Chiến Thần]

USSR back then was more rich and more powerful than China, so you can't expect China to contribute the exactly same amount of help.

We had done our best to support Vietnam.

We respect all the help , but we are not beggars
Chúng tôi tôn trọng mọi sự giúp đỡ nhưng chúng tôi không phải là kẻ ăn xin

remember that : nhớ rằng

if we are not independent , America will use Vietnam as a springboard to attack China
Nếu chúng tôi không độc lập , Hoa Kỳ sẽ dùng Việt Nam làm bàn đạp để tấn công trung quốc
and now perhaps ,i think that China is USA's Colonial
và có lẽ bây giờ , tôi nghĩ rằng trung quốc là thuộc địa của Mỹ

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Chinese-Vietnam relations are an internal matter between China and Vietnam. I dont think Pakistan would be interested in getting involved in such disputes --especially those related to South China Sea.


by the way -- welcome, Chinese friend.



as for US-China relations --- whether you are friends or foe it makes little difference. The countries need eachother whether they like it or not. It's a symbiotic relationship. This ''need'' would at least for the time-being be assurance that they would not engage in any outwardly hostile diplomacy.

 

[Peter]

East Viet Sea

How's about Southeast Asia Sea (SAS)?

South China Sea term has been using to give people an idea of where is that location about - South of China; not meant that it belongs to China.

 

[NiceGuy]

Chinese-Vietnam relations are an internal matter between China and Vietnam. I dont think Pakistan would be interested in getting involved in such disputes --especially those related to South China Sea.


by the way -- welcome, Chinese friend.



as for US-China relations --- whether you are friends or foe it makes little difference. The countries need eachother whether they like it or not. It's a symbiotic relationship. This ''need'' would at least for the time-being be assurance that they would not engage in any outwardly hostile diplomacy.

Yep, you're right, but the problem is we can not speak Chinese, so we can not talk some thing in CHinese's forum and thanks for Pakistanese forum, Vn and China now may understand more each other.^^

Chinese now must think carefully before violate VN'EEZ inoder to get some oil barrells, coz we strong enough to defend our sovereignty

 

[gpit]

Now your main point here.

Do you know the situation at this time?

From 1945, after WWII, France back to Vietnam. And for International, Vietnam still the colonized country until Frank Control. And Paracel and Spraty had been under control of France colonized until 1954.

After Dien Bien Phu battle, follow Paris Agreement 1954, Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) controlled North of Vietnam and France controlled South of Vietnam after that France handover South of Vietnam to Republic of Vietnam (RP). RP under supported of American was accepted by Union Nation.

At this moment there were two Governments in Vietnam. And RP was the one who managed Spraty and Paracel. And RP always tolerated any claim of China and bring they ship to occupy Paracel and Spraty. (Remember RP is a Gov accpeted by Union Nation).

The letter of Phan Van Dong (1958) don't said clealy that he accepted China to managed those Island. It's letter and not have value like agreement or contract. Even It's true, DRV is not the Gov who managed those Island at the moment, it was illegal document.

After Vietnam united, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam always tolerate China claim.

And follow UNCLOS, any time in history, the Government of Vietnam who managed Paracel and Spraty always tolerate China claim.

Combine last and this post you can see China is only robber who invade Paracel Island from Vietnam.

Read this kid:

In 1933, France asserted its claims from 1887[21] to the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam.[22] It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Itu Aba, built weather stations on two, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic of China government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French warships visited the nine islands.[23] In 1935, the ROC government also announced a sovereignty claim on the Spratly Islands. Japan occupied some of the islands in 1939 during World War II, and used the islands as a submarine base for the occupation of Southeast Asia. During the occupation, these islands were called Shinnan Shoto (新南諸&#23798, literally the New Southern Islands, and put under the governance of Taiwan together with the Paracel Islands (西沙群&#23707. In 1945, The Republic of China sent its Naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Itu Aba Island, as its base, and renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. The KMT force of Republic Of China briefly abandoned the islands after its defeat in China's civil war in 1949, but re-established the base in 1956. Today, Itu Aba Island, is still administrated by the Republic of China,

Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, China re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Itu Aba), accepting the Japanese surrender on the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China, which founded the People's Republic of China in 1949.[22] ROC quietly withdrew troops from Itu Aba in 1950, but reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomas Cloma's sudden claim to the island as part of Freedomland.[24]

Japan renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, together with the Paracels, Pratas & other islands captured from China, upon which China reasserted its claim to the islands.

It was unclear whether France continued its claim to the islands after WWII, since none of the islands other than Itu Aba is habitable. The South Vietnamese government took over the Trường Sa administration after the defeat of the French at the end of the First Indochina War. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters.[25]

the last line of this wiki is not accurate as China's declaration (see my post earlier) included Xisha, Zhongsha, etc. islands which is Spratly that PM Pham Van Dong supported when representing Vietnam Government.

Note that, Pham Van Dong was not only Prime Minister of Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) but was also a PM of Socialist Republic of Vietnam, which is current Vietnam.

In fact, one of your patriotic Vietnamese historian, who also claimed Spratly should be Vietnamese, also agreed that the hard evidence China could present is that in modern times, Vietnam governments, North or South or current, either supported or acquiesced China’s claim, which is very difficult for Vietnam to defend.

 

[drunkcamel]

We want peace, but if our country had violated, we had to fight.

the State of Viet Nam guarantees and unceasingly promotes the people's mastery in all fields and severely punishes all acts violating the interests of the motherland and people.

 

[gpit]

You should read more about Vietnam History, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam was established in 1945, The People's Republic of China (PRC), established in 1949.
Our Flag similar to China does'nt mean we're a part of China.
As ancient as 4000 years, Vietnamese culture has become so diverse.
But the Chineses never stop conquer Vietnam, they dominate our contry 1000 years, but not our people.
All Vietnamese hate China.
In Vietnam, every one usully say " Sát Thát" (殺韃) mean "kill CN".

Read the history about battle " Bach Dang" " Chi Lang" "Dong Da", you 'll see how we flight againt China along 2000 years

We can all feel that poor you are being consumed by hatred kindled by your ignorance.

Tell us when you say “All Vietnamese hate China” why so many Vietnamese love China that they risk their live to get to there illegally to make big money, albeit still a small amount compared with local Chinese?

Illegal immigration from Vietnam surges in S China
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2010-04-11 17:25

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Illegal immigration from Vietnam surges in S China

...

The official numbers of those caught remain in the thousands--the Guangxi border patrol reported catching 1,820 illegal crossers and stopping 4,839 more in 2009, according to state media.

How many thousands more don't get stopped? Vi Xuan Mai, deputy director of the labor department in the Vietnamese province of Lang Son, tells FORBES that 5,000 workers cross each year from his province, one of six along the Chinese border. "The trend is increasing," he says, "but we can't stop it."

China's Immigration Problem - Forbes.com

Also your girls rush to China for better life.

The facts tell you that Vietnamese LOVE China!

 

[gpit]

If you try to read and understanding, it good point to we discuss continues.

There a lot kind of document on in this world. Some of them have high value, some have low value. They are depend on International Law, not your Logic. When you bring the letter to international law, it's will consider as a evidence, not highest value and reality it have low value.

1. The Paracel and Spratly archipelagos have been considered Vietnamese territories for many centuries. These islands have both strategic and economic significance, and are now being claimed by many countries including China, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei making it a political hotspot in the region.

This research aims at providing a cumulative, systematic, and detailed picture of the process of establishing Vietnamese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands.

2. Before 1909, Vietnamese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands had not been violated by China and other countries. There were not any effort of establishing sovereignty, but there were much documentation of Vietnamese sovereignty in the Paracels.

After 1909 there began to be newspaper articles written about the islands, especially towards the 1920s and early 1930s.

After 1954, these two archipelagos were given to South Vietnam to control according to the Geneva Accord. There was quite a conflict regarding ownership of the islands. As a result a number of significant works were done on the issue.
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Please read more
Paracel & Spratly Islands belong to Vietnam - Sovereignty of Vietnam over Spratly and Paracel Islands

And what your Country have? Please show here to discuss.



Now your main point here.

Do you know the situation at this time?

From 1945, after WWII, France back to Vietnam. And for International, Vietnam still the colonized country until Frank Control. And Paracel and Spraty had been under control of France colonized until 1954.

After Dien Bien Phu battle, follow Paris Agreement 1954, Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) controlled North of Vietnam and France controlled South of Vietnam after that France handover South of Vietnam to Republic of Vietnam (RP). RP under supported of American was accepted by Union Nation.

At this moment there were two Governments in Vietnam. And RP was the one who managed Spraty and Paracel. And RP always tolerated any claim of China and bring they ship to occupy Paracel and Spraty. (Remember RP is a Gov accpeted by Union Nation).

The letter of Phan Van Dong (1958) don't said clealy that he accepted China to managed those Island. It's letter and not have value like agreement or contract. Even It's true, DRV is not the Gov who managed those Island at the moment, it was illegal document.

After Vietnam united, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam always tolerate China claim.

And follow UNCLOS, any time in history, the Government of Vietnam who managed Paracel and Spraty always tolerate China claim.

Combine last and this post you can see China is only robber who invade Paracel Island from Vietnam.

Spratly Islands History Timeline

200BC around China firstly discovered the Spratly Islands and other Suthern Sea Islands

111BC China started to occupy and govern the Southern Sea Islands

206BC-24AD Most of the Paracel, the Spratlys and Pratas Island were known by Chinese geographers of the Han Dynasty

23-220AD Yang Fu of the East Han Dynasty made the reference to Nansha Islands in his book entitled Yi Wuzi (Records of Rarities)
220 Nansha (Spratly) Island was settled by Chinese monks, building up a monastery on that island.

220-280AD General Kang Tai one of the famous ancient Chinese navigator of East Wu State of the Three Kingdoms Period mentioned Nansha Islands in his book Funan Zhuan (or Journeys to and from Phnom) (the name of an ancient state in today's Cambodia).

265-420AD Fei Yuan of the Jin Dynasty(265-420 A.D.) wrote about the fishing and collecting of coral samples by the fishermen of China on the South China Sea in his article Chronicles of Guangzhou.

789 The Tang Dynasty, China included the Nansha Islands into its administrative map

990 Spratley Islands became a part of the Northern Song area in Hainan

1121 Kublai Khan controlled most of the islands during China's Yuan Dynasty

1211 The island group shown on a Chinese Map

1250 Chinese frishermen became the right by the Pan-Han Dynasty to settle on some of the northern islets and reefs.

1405 Cheng Ho, the official minister of the Ming Kings, visited several northern islands of the Spartly Islands Group, Cheng Ho made several vojages to the Spratly Group and mapped most of the northern reefs and island, today a reason for China, to occupay the complete group. In 1436 an excellent map of the reefs is shown by the Ming-Dynasty.

1406 - 1444 most of the reefs and islet were successsively maped by Chinese geographers

1478 A China brigg run on Amboya Cay's reef and Archeologists found about 300 ancident vessels, made by ceramics.

1530 Alvarez de Diegoz, one of Albuquerque's navigators found several scattered tiny islets and reefs on his way to the future Macao area

1606 The Spain adventure and sailor Andreas de Pessora reached some of the western Spratly islands and named 'a larger islet' with the name Isla Santa Esmeralda Pequena. Today it is unknown which island Pessora reached, but it could be Spratly Island, or also one of the south-eastern islets.

1710 The Chinese Ching Dynasty claimed two northern islands and errected a small temple on North East Cay.

1730 Pirates settled on several islands and hold up British, Portugese and Dutch ships, crossing the area. In 1735 the British troups runn over and destroyed several priate camps located on some islands.

1791 Captain Spratle arived in the group and named the islands by his name. He was one of Captain Collets navigators.

1798 The British built up an iron observation tower on Itu Aba Islet. The remainds are visible till today.

1804 The British vessel HMS Macclesfield run on a drying reef in the southwest corner of the shoals, known today as the Macclesfield Shoals (Bank)

1883 The Germans wanted to claim several islands in the Spartly Group, but the Chinese Government threatened with war. After several government notes between Berlin and Peking, Germany gave up Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands but became controller of the area of Tsingtau.

1885 China officially claimed all islands of the Spratly Group

1887 The France built up the first lighttower on Amboyna Cay

1902 Chinese war-ships surveyed and erected sovereignty stone on Paracel Islands.

1908 China gave the right to mine guano from the islands to the British Australian Guano LTD.

1909-03-21 China (Qing Dynasty) set up Paracel Islands administrative committee.

1909-04 China (Qing Dynasty) war-ships surveyed Paracel Islands and affirmed Chinese sovereignty over these islands, fired cannon and hoisted flag.

1911 China - Guangdong Government reaffirmed Paracel Islands is under Qiongya (Hainan Island) Adminstration.

1930 French - Japan War over the rights on the Paracel Islands, and some of the north-western Spratley Reefs.

1932-1935 The Chinese Government set up a committee for the review of Maps of Lands and Waters of China. This committee examined and approved the 132 names of the islands in the South China Sea, all of which belong to Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

1933 France raised first official claim to the Paracel and Spratly Islands after invaded and occupied 9 of Nansha Islands, including Taiping and Zhongye. The Chinese fishermen who lived and worked on the Nansha Islands immediatedly made a firm resistance against the invasion and the Chinese Government lodged a strong protest with the French Government.

1939-44 The Spratly Islands were invaded and occupied by Japan and used as a submarine base during the Second World War. The two major bases were on Itu Aba and on Namyit Island in the Tizard Bank.In line with the Cairo Declaration and the Potsdam Proclamation, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of China, in consultation with the Navy and the government of Guangdong Province, appointed Xiao Ciyi and Mai Yunyu Special Commissioner to the Xisha and Nansha Islands respectively in 1946 to take over the two archipelagoes and erect marks of sovereignty on the Islands.

1946 China declared the Spratlys as a part of the Guangdong Province, and seized the biggest island of Tai Ping Dao (Itu Aba).

1947 The Ministry of Internal Affairs of China renamed 159 islands, reefs, islets and shoals on the South China Sea, including the Nansha Islands. It subsequently publicized all the names for administrative purposes

1947 The Philippines claimbed some of the eastern islands in the Spratly Group and claimbed too the Scarborough Reef.

1948 The Philippines claimbed the offshore Scarborough Reef, one of the most outlier reefs in the northeastern Spratly Islands. A light was errected and an oberservationtower on the South Rock, a 5 ft high rocky and steep sided islet.

1951 At the San Francisco conference, Japan renounces all rights to the Spratly Islands. No resolution is made on who owns them.

1956 The Philippines built up a mailitary base on North Danger Reef.

1961 Taiwan annexed several reefs in the northeastern part of the Spratly Group.

1969 On Spratly Island the American Navy errected a Radar Station, closed in 1971.

1974 China occupies Paracel Islands to the north of the Spratly Islands, taking them from South Vietnam.

1978 China occupies six atolls in the Spratly Islands, taking them from Vietnam.

1979, 21.Dec. Malaysia claimbed Swallow Reef (Layang Layang Reef) and built up a base. In January 1980 Malaysia continued in claimbing and annexed several reefs in the southern and south-western group. A second Malayan station was built on Amboyna Cay, heave disputed with Vietnam

1982 Internatinal conflict between Vietnam and Malysia, when Malaysia claimbed Amboyna Cay.

1984 Brunei claimbed the Louise Reef in the eastern group

1988 Chinese and Vietnamese navies clash at Johnson Reef. Two Vietnamese gunboats are sunk and seventy people die. Chinese troops has been garrisoned on the reef.

1991 Indonesia organises the first of its annual informal meetings (The South China Sea Workshop) of the six claimants to the Spratly Islands to find a peaceful solution to the dispute. Malaysia begins to develop a reef for tourism.

1992 ASEAN nations and China call for restraint in pursuit of territorial claims in the Spratly Islands.

1994,November The US oil giant Exxon signs a US$35 billion deal to develop the gas fields north of Natuna Island. This area is partly claimed by China.

1995,8 February The Philippines's armed forces discover Chinese-constructed concrete markers on Mischief Reef, within 200 kilometres of Palawan Island, in the Philippines.

1995,20-28 March The Philippines seize Chinese fishing boats and crew, and destroy Chinese markers on Mischief Reef.

1995,31 March Taiwanese naval mission of armed patrol boats to the Spratly Islands is called off midway to its destination.

1995, 7 April Indonesia expresses concern over Chinese maps claiming sovereignty over part of the huge Natuna gas fields to the south of the Spratly Islands.

Spratly Islands History Timeline - Nansha Islands of China

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You guys can't even provide whole history time line for these islands, and can only resort to whinning all over the place like a kid asking for candy.

 

[Peter]

The world would love to see every timeline's evidence, dear Gpit!