Dawn.com: Xinjiang crackdown on ethnic minorities at the heart of China's Belt and Road

[Andhadhun]

No, we need the world biggest Muslim defender Indians to be here defending Muslims.

Why is it that its seen as defending "muslims" and not as defending other "chinese" ? Its clear that you do not consider your chinese muslims as chinese.

Indian's participation will always drag India into conversation. Why are you even surprised?

I see. So only chinese can speak on chinese issues ?

But chinese can speak on all other issue and all about nations ?

 

[beijingwalker]

Why is it that its seen as defending "muslims" and not as defending other "chinese" ? Its clear that you do not consider your chinese muslims as chinese.

I have several Hui friends, you mean Muslims or Uighurs? most law enforcement officers in Xinjiang are Uighurs , you know Uighur police or Uighur separatists if you mean Uighurs, not Muslims.

 

[Dungeness]

I see. So only chinese can speak on chinese issues ?

But chinese can speak on all other issue and all about nations ?

That's because you guys have tons of Muslim issue to take care of at home, so your care for Chinese Muslim seems to be misplaced. Would you please let them eat freaking beef to start with?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You seems to ignore other ethnic groups, they all made great contribution to the Chinese history. Muslims were just one of them. Hui muslims do contribute a lot to China and that's why they are even now the most patriotic ethnic gorup in China, Uighurs have feud with Hui cause the army fought their ancesters were most Hui troops.


The world only sees the glory of China today, more are coming in the near future, wait and see, we are changing this world.

I'm talking about muslims in general not one ethnicity. Its regarding the oppression of religion, that my statement is trying to convey

 

[Andhadhun]

I have several Hui friends, you mean Muslims or Uighurs? most law enforcement officers in Xinjiang are Uighurs , you know Uighur police or Uighur separatists if you mean Uighurs, not Muslims.

Right to practice religion is for ALL.

Its not separate for Uighurs or Muslims is it ?

That's because you guys have tons of Muslim issue to take care of at home, so your care for Chinese Muslim seems to be misplaced. Would you please let them eat freaking beef to start with?

There is no ban on eating beef in India.

There is only a ban on cow slaughter.

In any case, by your logic since pakistan has ton's of issues at home, they have no right to speak on Uyghur muslims ?

 

[beijingwalker]

Right to practice religion is for ALL.

Its not separate for Uighurs or Muslims is it ?

Uighur is an ethnic group, Muslim is a religion, in China the biggest Muslim group is Hui , along with a dozen of other groups.

I'm talking about muslims in general not one ethnicity. Its regarding the oppression of religion, that my statement is trying to convey

We don't oppress religions as long as their practices won't disrupt social order in China, your country also has different religions, right? if they want to cause social disturbance , what would you do?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Uighur is an ethnic group, Muslim is a religion, in China the biggest Muslim group is Hui , along with a dozen of other groups.

We don't oppress religions as long as their practices won't disrupt social order in China, your country also has different religions, right? if they want to cause social disturbance , what would you do?

"As long as it doesn't disrupt social order in China" what an open and political thing to say. What is "social order" in China? Extermination of religion and worshipping the communist leader? Open ended statements like those have no value

 

[beijingwalker]

"As long as it doesn't disrupt social order in China" what an open and political thing to say. What is "social order" in China? Extermination of religion and worshipping the communist leader? Open ended statements like those have no value

They did a decade ago, hundreds perished, now everything is nice and peaceful, thanks for the government efforts.

 

[Verve]

Dawn is going against national interests. I don't know why the powers are still tolerating this snake!

 

[Rasengan]

Btw, oppression of pashtun and Baloch happens for many decades. Pakistan is a legacy of British empire. But we Chinese respect Pakistanis handling of such matters and we have good relationship with all top military Punjabi of Pakistan. But as I say, if u stir my hornet nest. Be prepare for vengeance. You cannot stay immune. Mark my words!

The one got touch on nerve is you.

I disagree with you here brother. More than 1/3 of our military is Pashtun. In fact, even our Prime Minister is Pashtun. In regards to Balochistan, it's a similar situation that was seen in Tibet where the landowners had significant power and the common man was a serf. This insurgency only sprung up because the Govt tried to erode their power and bring in development. Furthermore, the rest of the military comes from the region of Pothohar which don't consider themselves Punjabi. This region was known even during the British era for producing great soldiers. Even during the Mughal era, this region was never contained. Like I said to you before, Pakistan's relationship with China is different from what you see on the internet. We both don't want an insurgency in Afghanistan, Pakistan or China, otherwise, the entire region will be inflamed and it only benefits America.

Similarly every country reserve the right to eleminate anyone who act against their interest I guess.

I have never denied such a thing, but Pakistan also has the right to pursue its own national interests and that is kicking Indians out of Kashmir

Both Chinese and Pakistani members are stupid. They played right into other's hand.

I agree with you brother. This happens every year in Ramadan. It pisses me off. Hence why I don't often visit this forum. Why get angry when you can see the real relationship between China and Pakistan on the street. There is a good steady increase of people to people relationship and Chinese are visiting Pakistan more. Look at some of the travel vlogs. One of the biggest food bloggers in youtube was in Pakistan for 4 weeks last month with his wife Ting that comes from Chengdu. I have said this before people on this forum are 90% liberal elites they don't represent the common man from Pakistan.

"As long as it doesn't disrupt social order in China" what an open and political thing to say. What is "social order" in China? Extermination of religion and worshipping the communist leader? Open ended statements like those have no value

This is a very old concept in Chinese philosophy which they have been practicing for more than 4000 years. It has nothing to do with communism. The Muslim world also use to follow a similar model. In our history, for the first 1000 years, we never had many bloody uprisings. This is because the public was aware that social order was important and rising against the ruler could lead to chaos.

 

[gambit]

"As long as it doesn't disrupt social order in China" what an open and political thing to say. What is "social order" in China? Extermination of religion and worshipping the communist leader? Open ended statements like those have no value

I will cut to the point...

If your child is disruptive enough to upset the family's stability and you have to respond, it is already too late. The disruption already occurred. Damages are visible. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

What would motivate a man can be counted on one hand. His family, religion, and wealth. Control these items and you control him, regardless of how. So if the Chinese goobermint can substitute itself into 'religion', all the better. By creating an alternate Dalai Lama, China created an alternative afterlife for the Buddhists. So what the Party wishes is to preempt as many desirable popular opinion as possible and religions is one of them.

 

[Neptune_]

US and India are two world top Muslim lovers, see how hard they work here for Muslim rights.

Don't even try to Compare the rights Muslims enjoy in US with the rights Muslims enjoy in China. Countries like USA, England, Germany r in a different league as far as treating their civilians especially their minorities is concerned.

China on the other hand put their minorities especially the Muslims into cages like animals and forcefully make them to do things which is strictly prohibited their religion.

 

[beijingwalker]

Don't even try to Compare the rights Muslims enjoy in US with the rights Muslims enjoy in China. Countries like USA, England, Germany r in a different league as far as treating their civilians especially their minorities is concerned.

China on the other hand put their minorities especially the Muslims into cages like animals and forcefully make them to do things which is strictly prohibited their religion.

I have several Hui friends, they are not in a cage, US is so nice to minorities, we always know, their police never shoot black people.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I will cut to the point...

If your child is disruptive enough to upset the family's stability and you have to respond, it is already too late. The disruption already occurred. Damages are visible. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

What would motivate a man can be counted on one hand. His family, religion, and wealth. Control these items and you control him, regardless of how. So if the Chinese goobermint can substitute itself into 'religion', all the better. By creating an alternate Dalai Lama, China created an alternative afterlife for the Buddhists. So what the Party wishes is to preempt as many desirable popular opinion as possible and religions is one of them.

Plz, America is extremely islamophobic and you have the blood of innocent peopepeon your hands. From Germany to Vietnam

I disagree with you here brother. More than 1/3 of our military is Pashtun. In fact, even our Prime Minister is Pashtun. In regards to Balochistan, it's a similar situation that was seen in Tibet where the landowners had significant power and the common man was a serf. This insurgency only sprung up because the Govt tried to erode their power and bring in development. Furthermore, the rest of the military comes from the region of Pothohar which don't consider themselves Punjabi. This region was known even during the British era for producing great soldiers. Even during the Mughal era, this region was never contained. Like I said to you before, Pakistan's relationship with China is different from what you see on the internet. We both don't want an insurgency in Afghanistan, Pakistan or China, otherwise, the entire region will be inflamed and it only benefits America.



I have never denied such a thing, but Pakistan also has the right to pursue its own national interests and that is kicking Indians out of Kashmir



I agree with you brother. This happens every year in Ramadan. It pisses me off. Hence why I don't often visit this forum. Why get angry when you can see the real relationship between China and Pakistan on the street. There is a good steady increase of people to people relationship and Chinese are visiting Pakistan more. Look at some of the travel vlogs. One of the biggest food bloggers in youtube was in Pakistan for 4 weeks last month with his wife Ting that comes from Chengdu. I have said this before people on this forum are 90% liberal elites they don't represent the common man from Pakistan.



This is a very old concept in Chinese philosophy which they have been practicing for more than 4000 years. It has nothing to do with communism. The Muslim world also use to follow a similar model. In our history, for the first 1000 years, we never had many bloody uprisings. This is because the public was aware that social order was important and rising against the ruler could lead to chaos.

We didnt go around committing religious and ethnic genocide

They did a decade ago, hundreds perished, now everything is nice and peaceful, thanks for the government efforts.

Genocide

 

[Rasengan]

We didnt go around committing religious and ethnic genocide

When did China commit religious genocide? The 50s and 60s don't count because everyone was affected by Chairman Mao's policy, heck even Deng Xiaoping son was crippled and the top brass was punished. Read the story of Peng Duhai and Lui Shaoqi. What ethnic genocide? You do know the police force and army is mostly made up of Uighurs in Xinjiang. If there is police brutality its mostly done by Uighurs against Uighurs.