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So your interests lies in messing with Iran in case it becomes weak? No it's not Turkey's interest to cause unrest in its neighbors. Erdogan thought he is too smart that he can get away from arming and giving free pass to Syrian rebels, now look what happened, you have border posts with IS, plus nearly one million refugees. So no, it's not your interest to do what you said, it's just your preferred racial scenario. In other words you said that solely based on race and ethnicity, which is not surprising.

No worries, even in our weakest point, Turkey and Azerbaijan can't and won't directly mess with us, or they would feel the blow back. This is not a jungle, the world has some basic rules. So it's in our best interest to at least pretend we are friends, like the current Iran-Turkey relations, so both sides with benefit economically. We are currently your third or fifth largest trading partner if I'm not mistaken.


Analyst: Israel Could Turn Tables by Allying with Iran’s Ethnic Minorities
by TheTower.org Staff | 09.02.14 8:10 pm

Nicholas Saidel, the associate director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Institute for Strategic Threat Analysis and Response (ISTAR) argues today at the Israeli website Mida that Israel can weaken Iran by allying itself with various ethnic minorities currently suffering persecution in Iran. Observing that “Hamas’ power, to a large extent, relies on its relationship with Iran,” Saidel recommends that Israel reciprocate and take advantage of “the present conditions that favor revanchist and irredentist claims … in order to destroy or at the very least severely weaken, the Iranian regime.”

In particular Saidel recommends that Israel seek to ally itself with “the Iranian Kurds; the Iranian Azeris; the Ahwazi Arabs; and the Iranian Balochs.”

Israel’s ties with the Iraqi Kurds are well-established, and Saidel recommends that they extend to the Iranian based Free Life Party of Kurdistan (PEJAK). Allying with PEJAK could “assist Israel in espionage and sabotage efforts from within Iran, and [provide] intelligence related to Iran’s nuclear program.”

The Azeris are the largest minority group within Iran, accounting for roughly 25% of the population. While the main separatist Azeri groups currently appear to lean towards non-violent protest, Saidel argues that “an armed rebellion could occur given ample external support and a rise in the current trend towards nationalist separatism.” Saidel also points to Israel’s ties the Azerbaijan, which “could be leveraged to foment armed Azeri struggles within Iran’s borders.”

The Ahwaz Arabs live in the Khuzestan province of western Iran, which sits on the Persian Gulf and hosts 90% of Iran’s natural resources. Though the Ahwazi are Shi’ite, they share sympathies with other Arabs and are involved in a number of separatist movements. Complicating matters for Iran, Siedal observes, “Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States would also like to see Ahwaz as an independent state and as a 7th member of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).”

The Balochs live in Baluchistan, a territory in eastern Iran that spans both Iran and Pakistan, both of which persecute the Balochs. Saidel reports that Israel has formed “alliances with Baloch separatist movements inside Iran,” and suggests that Israel seek to disrupt the “proposed Iran-Pakistan natural gas pipeline,” which is planned to pass through Balochistan and provide Iran with billions in revenue.

Saidel concludes:

Iran is not as united or as naturally integrated as some Westerners presume. While Persia has ancient roots, modern Iran is an artificial state in that it is not comprised of mainly one nation. It is rather an amalgam of many ethnic groups, most of which suffer from harsh repression from the central government and which have responded to such aggression by resisting through armed struggle. Supplying weapons, training, and other types of military and humanitarian aid to these minorities will pave the way for Israel to have multiple military and intelligence footprints within Iran’s borders, and increase its ability to disrupt the machinations of the mullahs until the theocratic regime is severely weakened or toppled.

In Dare We Say it? The Mullahs Must Go, published in the December 2013 issue of The Tower Magazine, Michael Ledeen highlighted some of the military actions previously taken by opposition groups against the Iranian regime :

Opposition activities aren’t limited to words. Although rarely reported outside Iran, attacks on refineries and pipelines are pandemic. In the small oil-rich province of Ahwaz, for example, where the Arab population has been subjected to unusual cruelty, there have been six pipeline attacks this year alone. At the same time, the northern gas pipelines to Turkey (where anti-regime Kurdish forces are active) have been frequently bombed.

Regime assets are also a target. Last March, the opposition attacked two Revolutionary Guard Corps installations. One was Zarin Dasht, where missile fuel and warheads are manufactured. The other was Natanz, a major uranium enrichment center. The resulting explosion forced the entire complex to shut down. While invariably blamed on Israel or the United States, some of these spectacular attacks are actually carried out by the Iranian opposition, and serious analysts believe they are also responsible for at least some recent assassinations of nuclear physicists.

Analyst: Israel Could Turn Tables by Allying with Iran’s Ethnic Minorities | The Tower
 
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by looks of it its purely anti kufar affair...turkey has commited mass crimes against armenians back then this is 21 century ...if turkey venture into such kind of adventures there will be big problems turkey needs to face
Pls dont drag your religious fight in our section the subject has nothing to do with religion, the only reason why i dont visit Indian and Pakistani sections in PDF is your childish Muslim-Hindu fights in every single thread, now close the door behind you, thx.
 
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I dont see Turkey causing unrest in Iran. Its to unrealistic. Why would Turkey want to destabilize a country that it has really good trade relations with? :crazy:

Turkey, Iran seek to boost trade as mistrust lingers - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Most of Turkeys neighbors are in a crisis mode. Greece economic crisis, Armenia everything crisis, Kurdish Region of Iraq is at war with ISIS, Syria in chaos, Bulgaria lost to canada in volleyball, and georgia is still dealing with russia. Iran is in a crisis as well because of the sanction but they are still stable which is the most important thing for Turkey.

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Most of Turkeys neighbors are in a crisis mode. Greece economic crisis, Armenia everything crisis, Kurdish Region of Iraq is at war with ISIS, Syria in chaos, Bulgaria lost to canada in volleyball, and georgia is still dealing with russia. Iran is in a crisis as well because of the sanction but they are still stable which is the most important thing for Turkey.
OMG :o: i hope Bulgarians are okay, i wish we could help them. :cry:
 
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Pls dont drag your religious fight in our section the subject has nothing to do with religion, the only reason why i dont visit Indian and Pakistani sections in PDF is your childish Muslim-Hindu fights in every single thread, now close the door behind you, thx.

Doreman is a christian.
 
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Eğer silahlı çatışma olsa o da uzak ihtimal, o zaman bilki TÜRKİYE yeni silahlarını deniyor
 
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Pakistan fully backs Azarbaijan.
Israel also, but what has Azeri-Armenian war to do with Pakistan? are you neighbors?
Why open another open hostile front with another nation while there is an unfinished business? At the moment i can only imagine Azerbaijan and Turkey jump on South Azerbaijan when Iran is in a situation of weakness/chaos. has nothing to do with religion, but with the course of the history imo.
We can't get weaker than we are now (islamic republic):
-revolution
-8 years war
-Sanctions

From now on we only can become stronger.
 
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Is that the only important para meter?
No, not the only. But i don't see how the destruction of Armenia would benefit Pakistan, and also don't see any kind of rivalry (historically and recently) between Pakistan and Armenia.
And being friendly with Turkey doesn't mean becoming enemy of Armenia. Many countries that have ties with Turkey have normal ties with Armenia.

However we read that Pakistan does not even recognize Armenia as a country. Even Turkey and Azerbaijan recognize Armenia as a country, WTH!
 
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@LeveragedBuyout As a Southern Azerbaijani myself, I do believe that Iran has illegally occupied Southern Azerbaijan, and we demand our self-determination rights, and we all do hate the farsi backward racist religious regime. Karabakh needs to be freed first. The next step is Tebriz.
 
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No, not the only. But i don't see how the destruction of Armenia would benefit Pakistan, and also don't see any kind of rivalry (historically and recently) between Pakistan and Armenia.
And being friendly with Turkey doesn't mean becoming enemy of Armenia. Many countries that have ties with Turkey have normal ties with Armenia.

However we read that Pakistan does not even recognize Armenia as a country. Even Turkey and Azerbaijan recognize Armenia as a country, WTH!

Maybe the only reason is the illegal occupied land (karabagh). Maybe one more....( Moslem brotherhood)
 
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Maybe the only reason is the illegal occupied land (karabagh). Maybe one more....( Moslem brotherhood)
Then why Turley and Azerbayjan both recognize Armenia as independent state?

Moslem brotherhood is a vague concept (maybe we can say it does not exist) and Azerbaijan are shia by the way, many shia are getting killed in Pakistan.
 
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@LeveragedBuyout As a Southern Azerbaijani myself, I do believe that Iran has illegally occupied Southern Azerbaijan, and we demand our self-determination rights, and we all do hate the farsi backward racist religious regime. Karabakh needs to be freed first. The next step is Tebriz.

With these traitor Akp government, you pray these scum doesnt side with Armenia. :)
 
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@LeveragedBuyout As a Southern Azerbaijani myself, I do believe that Iran has illegally occupied Southern Azerbaijan, and we demand our self-determination rights, and we all do hate the farsi backward racist religious regime. Karabakh needs to be freed first. The next step is Tebriz.

Thank you for that perspective. I had heard that many Azeris held such a view, but I suppose the "legal issues" draw more attention to the Armenian issue, instead of the Iranian one.
 
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