Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Chanakyaa]

By asking GE to stop supplying engines for the shivalik, Americans have reminded Indians what they are made off.

Russians have been traditional partners, but for this especially if we need on time we need to look at the french and their rafaels. Russians would be happy with the MIg29K, Gorkshov, Nuke subs, and new vessels for IN.

Correct.
Add to it the PAK FA , India investing 50% the Amount makes no sense to go for mig 35 .

 

[heartwinlion]

Looks like the French are desperate to sell their Rafeale's to India, i dont think they will be happy once the contract is awarded to LM for F18 Super Hornets.

I don’t think that India go for LM coze you can see what is happened with IN now the battle between Gripen or Rafeale EF is too expensive Russia has less chance US is out of cooptation.

 

[zombie:-)]

Looks like the French are desperate to sell their Rafeale's to India, i dont think they will be happy once the contract is awarded to LM for F18 Super Hornets.

i think you mean boeing

LM=F-16
BOEING=F-18

 

[ejaz007]

March 10/09: Aviation Week’s “AESA Radars Are A Highlight of Aero-India” offers a look at various contenders’ radar choices.

America has an AESA technology lead, so its offerings are the most stable and mature. The F-16IN had the most choices. Ratheon’s RACR and Northrop Grumman’s SABR are both designed as drop-in AESA radars for the F-16, but Lockheed Martin chose Northrop Grumman’s AN/APG-80, which is already installed in the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60s and has a 100% in-service record over 4 years. The other American contender, Boeing’s F/A-18 E/F Block 2, will use its standard AN/APG-79 AESA radar.

Dassault’s Rafale will use Thales’ new RBE2, but its acquisition of a large shareholding in Thales means Saab’s JAS-39NG will not use an RBE2 front end as planned. Saab has a number of alternative AESA options, from Raytheon’s RACR to an enlarged version of Selex Galileo’s Vixen, but the uncertainty raises its risk profile in a number of ways.

Eurofighter reportedly had the most interesting but least mature proposals, involving AESA arrays built into other areas of the plane. Eurofighter GmbH is working on the CAESAR AESA radar, but hat is in early development. Accordingly, it touts its existing mechanically-scanned Selex Galileo ECR-90 Captor over in-service AESA radars. EADS Military Air Systems SVP of engineering Peter Gutsmiedl was reportedly talking about the option of adding small AESA side arrays, an azimuth gimbal, or even a canted AESA “swashplate” fitted to a rotating mount, inside a canted antenna. These embedded radar options would allow the benefits of AESA, but with a much wider scan radius that could radically change the engagement cone for radar-guided air-air missiles. If they are built, that is, and successfully tested.

India’s MMRCA Fighter Competition

This is the latest up date regarding MRCA deal.

 

[Max The Boss]

Indian Air force should get MIG 35 jets.
Because Indian Air force pilots and aircraft engineers has good experience
In Russian jets and Russian aircraft technology. If Indian Air force positive to get
MIG 35 jets then Indian Air force can add MIG 35 jets to the service
Soon as possible when MIG 35 jets delivered. Indian Air force pilots do not need
Special training programs for MIG 35 jets because Indian Air force pilots knows
Russian jets very well and Indian Air force aircraft engineers do not need
A special technical training program for MIG 35 jets because Indian Air force aircraft engineers knows Russian aircraft technology very well. MIG 35 is the best choice for Indian Air force. Indian Air force has very good experience about Russian jets and Russian aircraft technology. I hope Indian Air force will get MIG 35 jets.

 

[Max The Boss]

Australian Air Force F/A-18 Super Hornet Deal

On 3 May 2007, the Australian Government signed a contract to acquire 24 F/A-18 Super Hornet’s for the Royal Australian Air Force, at a cost of US$4.6 billion, as an interim replacement for the aging F-111s.

The order has proved to be controversial, with the critics including some retired senior Royal Australian Air Force officers. Air Vice Marshal (ret.) Peter Criss, a former Air Commander Australia, said he was "absolutely astounded" that the Australian government would spend US$4.6 billion on an interim aircraft.[50] Criss has also cited evidence given before the US Senate Armed Services Committee that the F/A-18 Super Hornet is inferior to the MiG-29 and Su-30, which are already operated, or have been ordered, by air forces in South East Asia. Air Commodore (ret.) Ted Bushell stated that the F/A-18 Super Hornet could not perform the role that the Australian government had given it, and the F-111 airframe design would remain suitable for the strategic deterrent/strike role until at least 2020.

The initial package offered to the Royal Australian Air Force will include:

• 48 installed engines and six spares
• APG-79 AESA radar in each plane
• Link 16 connectivity with the AN/USQ-140 Multifunctional Informational Distribution System (MIDS)
• LAU-127 guided missile launchers
• AN/PVS-9 night vision goggles
• 12 Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS)
• AN/ALE-55 fiber optic towed decoys
On 31 December 2007, the new Australian Labor government announced that it would review the purchase as part of a wider review of the Royal Australian Air Force fighter procurement plans, with the possibility of the order for F/A-18 Super Hornet’s being either reduced or canceled. The main reasons given were concerns over operational suitability, the lack of a proper review process, and internal beliefs that an interim fighter was not required.

On 17 March 2008, the Government announced that it would proceed with plans to acquire F/A-18 Super Hornet’s. Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said that, based on advice from the review team, Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said no other suitable aircraft could be produced to meet the 2010 deadline for the retirement of the F-111 set by the former government and it was no longer possible to keep the F-111s in service past this date.

The Government has also sought US export approval for EA-18G Growlers. On 27 February 2009 Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon announced that 12 F/A-18 Super Hornet’s would be wired on the production line for future modification as EA-18G Growlers the additional wiring would cost $35 million. The final decision on conversion to EA-18G Growlers, at a cost of $300 million, would be made in 2012.
Still Indian Air forces want to purchase F/A-18 Super Hornet’s?

 

[sancho]

Still Indian Air forces want to purchase F/A-18 Super Hornet’s?

Why not? They use them as their only fighter for air superiority and strike attacks. We have Mig 29 and Su 30 for air superiority and would use F18 SH mainly for ground strike, or BVR combats. With the great weapons and a ready and proven AESA radar it would be more then capable for these jobs.
So only it's maybe not the best fighter for them doesn't mean it wouldn't be good for us. What IAF has to think about is, are they worth all the restrictions from US and do we really need a ground attack fighter?

The big question related to MMRCA is, which role will Su 30 take in the next 10 years? If we keep it for air superiority roles, fighters like EF 2000 and Mig 35 won't win MMRCA, cause they are less capable for ground attacks. If Su 30 takes the ground attack role, we don't need F18 and Rafale.

 

[sob]

One of the criterions for deciding the deal would be political, and the results of the elections will have a bearing on the final decision.

If the so called third/fourth front backed by the commies comes in, then we can expect them to sign the deals with the Russians both F 16 and the FA 18 will be thrown out of the window.

 

[maverick2009]

I think The Indian Military Top Brass have already decided that it will not be the mig35.

The Massive issue of Gorskhov Price hikes and 70% domination of Russian military hardware has made india THINK carefully.

The indian military now wants WESTERN technology.

BUT only those that offer TOT (transfer of tech)

Its been Suggested that both F16IN F18SH & RAFAEL are the front runners.

If the commies win then Rafael will get the contract.

If congress wins i expect to see F18 in indian colours.

Russian military is losing its clout rapidley. These days the ISRAELIS win all indian military deals

 

[duhastmish]

I think The Indian Military Top Brass have already decided that it will not be the mig35.

The Massive issue of Gorskhov Price hikes and 70% domination of Russian military hardware has made india THINK carefully.

The indian military now wants WESTERN technology.

BUT only those that offer TOT (transfer of tech)

Its been Suggested that both F16IN F18SH & RAFAEL are the front runners.

If the commies win then Rafael will get the contract.

If congress wins i expect to see F18 in indian colours.

Russian military is losing its clout rapidley. These days the ISRAELIS win all indian military deals

If commies win - and have a big say in UPA- russia will get the contract for sure, i heard their thoughts about indian relation they trust -russian and chinese. to an unimaginable extend.

 

[RAZOR]

If commies win - and have a big say in UPA- russia will get the contract for sure, i heard their thoughts about indian relation they trust -russian and chinese. to an unimaginable extend.

hey mate i dont think thats gonna happen ....after all the terror threats these politicos will surely reconsider before playing with defence deals ..at least for some time now ....anyway it all depends on what the iaf wants to do with whatever they get ...even if they get ru stuff we will have complete freedom in playing with it ...it wont be a showpiece .....of all the air forces MALAYSIAN AIRFORCE operates a really wide variety of fighter aircrafts ...MIG-29,F-18 ,SU-30MKM....they are the ones to be consulted if going for that kind of stuff...anyways all the best IAF

 

[sancho]

The indian military now wants WESTERN technology.

BUT only those that offer TOT (transfer of tech)

Its been Suggested that both F16IN F18SH & RAFAEL are the front runners.

If ToT is the key, the US fighters has less chances cause US don't share much of their techs, not even with their closest allys. They are coming with a lot of restrictions and don't offer the best they have (F35 only for future if we take F16 now), that makes it more difficult to convince IAF to go for totally new logistics and maintenance. Also EF 2000 is offered with a full partnership doesn't that mean full access to all techs?

Russian military is losing its clout rapidley. These days the ISRAELIS win all indian military deals

Israel never can replace Russia in all kind of deals, cause they offer no fighters, no subs, no carriers, or other major ships and so on.
Not to buy Mig 35 doesn't mean anything to the Indo - Russian relation ships, cause we still have many other big projects going on. Over 200 Su 30, Mig 29K, FGFA, 80 new ordered Mi 17, MTA, IL 50 AWACS, Russian made ships & subs..., so there are many fields where Russia will stll be our main partner.

 

[godsavetheworld]

A MKI already gives a tough competition to a F/A 18, I doubt IAF would choose Superhornet

 

[lilaspr]

New to this Forum.

Indian bags Boeing P8-I spy planes- great news

For MRCA: I would say India should go for Eurofighter Typhoon.

here at the forum people talk less about Typhoon. Dont know why?

 

[Patriot]

New to this Forum.

Indian bags Boeing P8-I spy planes- great news

For MRCA: I would say India should go for Eurofighter Typhoon.

here at the forum people talk less about Typhoon. Dont know why?

Way too expensive.It will not be selected.The only real participants are Hornet, Viper, Mig35 and Rafale.