Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[nitesh]

ok sir lets assume this the original tender goes to the french and even i personally believe theirs is the best to suit the iaf needs.
even then the rest 74 can be procured from mig, actually mig is in a deep finincial crisis ,its awaiting funds from the goverment and its no secret sukhoi has recently cut its market worldwide so they are always willing to consider their decesion,the indians can bargain hard with the mig corp for additional incentives for the future which they will be more than willing to supply.

all these scenerio comes up when the americans if the americans are not willing for full tot.

given the present political situation it will be very hard to choose betwwen the americans and russians so the french might be the best option

let me give a different perspective here. IN is going to release RFP for second line of subs. IN will definitely ask that it should carry BrahMos you can look in to the threads here. My personal choice will be of Amur 1950 model. The RFP will be of 30000 crore (1 billion USD = 5000 crore). Quite a big order. So Russia is going to get one big order. Apart from this deal regarding Schhuka B subs is going rounds.

All this was to just say that money can be diverted here and there.

But I am not averse of idea of what you said it will be really good if MiG offers that instead of upgrading the MiG29 which ar more then 60 in inventory why not go for 120 MiG35. It may sound insane but quite possible with the gentleman in charge of MiG who has closed the MKI deal.

US will no way give full ToT.

Regarding the political situation leave it. India and Russia deals goes in a different level. Already w more reactor deal is signed. Chandrayaan 2 will carry Russian rover. In GLONASS 4 satellites have to launched by India.

 

[nitesh]

also we neeed to consider that recent orders from the indians have all gone to the americans.it might be a signal that the indians are not willing to irk the americans by giving them other big procurement deals while the mrca goes to the french or the russians.

For US industry this is the best chance to get in to IAF so they will pull every string possible from wherever possible

 

[Moscow]

does the us at any point consider selling the jsf to the iaf in the near future if they go for f-16 as its mrca then it might get interesting.

 

[nitesh]

There was one news item came in 2007 I think after then no news all speculation only.

 

[nitesh]

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Eyeing the mega deal for 126 multi-role combat aircraft with India, France on Saturday (January 17) said it expected "fair competition" and equal treatment by New Delhi to all the bidders in the selection process. France, whose Rafale fighter plane is a competitor for the mega deal, is keeping its fingers crossed as it recently lost a contract for 197 military helicopters, due to "severity of rules" in India.

“We are participating in a competition ... We know there is competition and we know in India, competition is to be taken by the word," French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Diplomatic Adviser Jean-David Levitte told reporters in New Delhi. Noting that Indian rules are strict, he said, "We were victims of the severity of these rules (in helicopter deal) last year.

But we accept the rules provided all competitors are treated in same way. It is fair competition that we want," he said. He claimed Rafale fighters are the best next generation planes and it would bag the deal if the competition is fair.

Developed by French major Dassault, Rafale is a twin-engined multi-role fighter aircraft and is being produced both for land-based and ship-based operations. The aircraft was last year inducted for operations over Afghanistan by France. Rafale is competing with American F/A-18 and F-16, Russian MiG-35 and Swedish Gripen for the over $10 billion 126 aircraft contract.

An Indian Army contract for 197 light utility helicopters with French Eurocopter as one of the contenders was cancelled by the Defence Ministry in 2007 after objections were raised over the selection process. Levitte, who met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and held talks with his counterpart M K Narayanan, said France was keen to give new impetus to defence and strategic partnership.

He noted that India and France already have considerable cooperation in the defence field, whose symbols are Mirages and submarines being built near Mumbai jointly. He said the two sides could also jointly develop Kaveri engines in India for the country's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

"India can buy the engine off the shelf outside India or prefer to build it in India with partnership of France," he said, adding his country was asking New Delhi to take a decision on it. He added that France was ready to share the technology required for the development of an aircraft engine and it will help India to develop "its own aircraft engine industry."

DRDO is looking to procure new engines for the LCA project and Eurojet consortium with France as one of its partners has offered its EJ-200 engine for it. Six Scorpene submarines are being built near Mumbai with Transfer of Technology (ToT). "It is an excellent symbol of what we can achieve together," Levitte said.

French consortium DCNS received the contract in 2004 for building six submarines at Mazagon Dockyards Limited in Mumbai. Talking about Mirage 2000 fighter jets, Levitte said discussions on their "upgrades would be over soon." French defence company Thales along with other French Companies have offered to upgrade the Mirage 2000 to the Mirage-2000-5 level.

He said discussions for co-development of a Short-range Surface to Air Missile (SR-SAM) systems were also "nearing conclusion." DRDO has released global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system and is looking for foreign collaborators to develop the system.

(With inputs from agencies)

 

[ejaz007]

Air Force MRCA Update: French Diplomat Bats for Dassault Rafale; Wants Fair Competition
Dated 18/1/2009


Eyeing the mega deal for 126 multi-role combat aircraft with India, France today said it expected "fair competition" and equal treatment by New Delhi to all the bidders in the selection process.

France, whose Rafale fighter plane is a competitor for the mega deal, is keeping its fingers crossed as it recently lost a contract for 197 military helicopters, due to "severity of rules" in India.

"We are participating in a competition ... We know there is competition and we know in India, competition is to be taken by the word," French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Diplomatic Adviser Jean-David Levitte told reporters in New Delhi.

Noting that Indian rules are strict, he said, "We were victims of the severity of these rules (in helicopter deal) last year. But we accept the rules provided all competitors are treated in same way. It is fair competition that we want," he said. He claimed Rafale fighters are the best next generation planes and it would bag the deal if the competition is fair.

Developed by French major Dassault, Rafale is a twin-engined multi-role fighter aircraft and is being produced both for land-based and ship-based operations. The aircraft was last year inducted for operations over Afghanistan by France. Rafale is competing with American F/A-18 and F-16, Russian MiG-35 and Swedish Gripen for the over USD 10 billion 126 aircraft contract.

Air Force MRCA Update: French Diplomat Bats for Dassault Rafale; Wants Fair Competition | India Defence

 

[LCA]

moscow the deal contains an option of buying 126 and then future option of 74 more. The splitting idea seems good as at least it can increase the rate of induction. With force number declining it will be good. But will the companies agree to offer the same level of ToT if suppose the order is broken up between two entities and both get order for 100 planes? This will be tricky situation.

If that is the case,then india should go for:

126 Rafale or EF and 74 F-18 for navy.

 

[nitesh]

If that is the case,then india should go for:

126 Rafale or EF and 74 F-18 for navy.

First the 74 option is for IAF if they want to scale the order further.

Navy has already decided that they will have MiG 29K. Work on Naval LCA is going on. If another AC is chosen it will further complicate the situation for logistics. MiG29K are capable of operating from land bases. Rafale also is capable of carrier operations. IN and IAF should chose the same AC if IN is interested in choosing from MRCA competition.

 

[LCA]

First the 74 option is for IAF if they want to scale the order further.

Navy has already decided that they will have MiG 29K. Work on Naval LCA is going on. If another AC is chosen it will further complicate the situation for logistics. MiG29K are capable of operating from land bases. Rafale also is capable of carrier operations. IN and IAF should chose the same AC if IN is interested in choosing from MRCA competition.

Then Make it for IAF

 

[nitesh]

^^

I am not getting you. Can you please explain what u r saying

 

[metalfalcon]

NEW DELHI
Eyeing the mega deal for 126 multi-role combat aircraft with India, France on Saturday said it expected "fair competition" and equal
treatment by New Delhi to all the bidders in the selection process.

France, whose Rafale fighter plane is a competitor for the mega deal, is keeping its fingers crossed as it recently lost a contract for 197 military helicopters, due to "severity of rules" in India.

"We are participating in a competition ... We know there is competition and we know in India, competition is to be taken by the word," French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Diplomatic Adviser Jean-David Levitte told reporters here.

Noting that Indian rules are strict, he said, "We were victims of the severity of these rules (in helicopter deal) last year. But we accept the rules provided all competitors are treated in same way. It is fair competition that we want," he said.

He claimed Rafale fighters are the best next generation planes and it would bag the deal if the competition is fair.

Developed by French major Dassault, Rafale is a twin-engined multi-role fighter aircraft and is being produced both for land-based and ship-based operations.

The aircraft was last year inducted for operations over Afghanistan by France.

Rafale is competing with American F/A-18 and F-16, Russian MiG-35 and Swedish Gripen for the over USD 10 billion 126 aircraft contract.

France wants 'fair competition' in 126 IAF deal -India-The Times of India

 

[tyagi]

it was in news .that gripen is out of the competition

 

[ahmeddsid]

not if gripen is to be believed! I prefer the Rafale!

 

[iceman2009]

From this statement regarding FAIRNESS stems from Dassults fear that the MRCA is already been decided by india.

some people are suggesting that F18 SH was part of the agreement for usa sealing india,s nuclear tech deal.

Also boeing beat airbus to supply indian air lines..

The french believe that both USA options F18 & F16 are front runners along side rafael.

it widely believed that mig35 (over dependance on russia too dangerous) & Typhoon shear cost issue and too many partners in EADS WILL SEE them dropped shortly in the bid.

This will leave just Rafael to fight off the American bids.

 

[Amanpuneet Singh]

i do like Rafael but they are expensive and there ASEA is still in initial stages ,it will be close call between EF n rafael unless America gives tot with ASEA.