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[sancho]

Dude first of all i am not telling who will detect whom first.. i am just mentioning RCS is not a factor for 4++ gen fighters. Even if the RCS in clean config is less, the missiles loaded will shoot the RCS atleast more than 7 m2 depending on the loading.. so enemies no something is beeping on there radar monitor..

Second to identify it is an enemy, there is IFF and AWACS which will do the job.. so the chance for a friendly fire is very very low ... This you can relate it to Red flag

Of course it is, because the earlier you can detect your opponent, the earlier you can avioid beeing detected and get into position for the first shot! The RCS of a fighter is always highly debatable, but when 2 fighters that carries the same ammount of fuel tanks and missiles in A2A config, the one with a lower RCS in clean config should have an advantage don't you think? Also a fighter radar has only a limited field of view, so only in this field of view you are able to detect an enemy and the further you are at the outer areas of the FOV, the less capable will be the detection and a lower RCS will be even more of advantage.

Think about how many IAF fighters today has IFF and how many AWACS aircrafts IAF has, now add the vast area IAF has to protect and you will understand that friendly fire is very likely if IAF will not visually identify the target first. Red Flag was even one of the key reasons why IAF now upgrades it's fighters with IFF transponders, because they learned how limited you capabilities will be, when you have "something" (like you said) on your radar, but has no other possibility to identify it or link with the AWACS. Full AWACS and IFF capability will be part of the netcentric capabilities Indian forces are aiming to, but that will not be available in full fledge until 2020 possibly.
Even NATO with AWACS and common data links and IFF normally identify their targets first before shooting and the long range visual ID is one of the key advantages of Rafale with FSO btw!

 

[Birbal]

Of course it is, because the earlier you can detect your opponent, the earlier you can avioid beeing detected and get into position for the first shot! The RCS of a fighter is always highly debatable, but when 2 fighters that carries the same ammount of fuel tanks and missiles in A2A config, the one with a lower RCS in clean config should have an advantage don't you think? Also a fighter radar has only a limited field of view, so only in this field of view you are able to detect an enemy and the further you are at the outer areas of the FOV, the less capable will be the detection and a lower RCS will be even more of advantage.

Think about how many IAF fighters today has IFF and how many AWACS aircrafts IAF has, now add the vast area IAF has to protect and you will understand that friendly fire is very likely if IAF will not visually identify the target first. Red Flag was even one of the key reasons why IAF now upgrades it's fighters with IFF transponders, because they learned how limited you capabilities will be, when you have "something" (like you said) on your radar, but has no other possibility to identify it or link with the AWACS. Full AWACS and IFF capability will be part of the netcentric capabilities Indian forces are aiming to, but that will not be available in full fledge until 2020 possibly.
Even NATO with AWACS and common data links and IFF normally identify their targets first before shooting and the long range visual ID is one of the key advantages of Rafale with FSO btw!

I think he was pointing out the fact that there's no reason to lower the aircraft RCS beyond a certain point because it will be overshadowed by the missile and fuel tank RCS.

 

[praveen007]

the game of RC is and can only be played effectly by the plane which have internal bay for Arms and Fuel, other than those nother plane will play it effectivly, as what ever be their RC value in neat clear configuration it will boost to quit high level ones EFT and Armaments are hinged with its hard point.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Of course it is, because the earlier you can detect your opponent, the earlier you can avioid beeing detected and get into position for the first shot! The RCS of a fighter is always highly debatable, but when 2 fighters that carries the same ammount of fuel tanks and missiles in A2A config, the one with a lower RCS in clean config should have an advantage don't you think? Also a fighter radar has only a limited field of view, so only in this field of view you are able to detect an enemy and the further you are at the outer areas of the FOV, the less capable will be the detection and a lower RCS will be even more of advantage.

How is that logic make sense? two with same fuel tank and same A2A missile will be mapped to cleaner RCS?.. buddy RCS increases multiple times when you put them under the wing and will not be equal to cleaner RCS.. if your's and enemy's fighter has cleaner config of 1 and 2 m2 RCS and if you put the missile under belly each will go to 9m2 to 8m2 RCS atleast.. so how do you map that back to 1, 2 m2 RCS .. it is well enough for the fighters to detect each other atleast 150 KM far apart... and how do you position yourself form such far distance? countries like Pakistan and China will come to know when a fighter is in Air atleast 200 KM of radius with there AWACS on Air.. so unless fighters dont have the capability to identify around 50 KM of radar range it make sense... because the moment you position yourself , in war if you have to fight you have to come within no escape zone to fire which makes your aircraft also visible to enemy's radar

Think about how many IAF fighters today has IFF and how many AWACS aircrafts IAF has, now add the vast area IAF has to protect and you will understand that friendly fire is very likely if IAF will not visually identify the target first. Red Flag was even one of the key reasons why IAF now upgrades it's fighters with IFF transponders, because they learned how limited you capabilities will be, when you have "something" (like you said) on your radar, but has no other possibility to identify it or link with the AWACS. Full AWACS and IFF capability will be part of the netcentric capabilities Indian forces are aiming to, but that will not be available in full fledge until 2020 possibly.
Even NATO with AWACS and common data links and IFF normally identify their targets first before shooting and the long range visual ID is one of the key advantages of Rafale with FSO btw!

Thats why all the offender aircraft in IAF has been upgraded to have IFF.. now Mig-29 has that remember russia awarded to France.. Mirage does have it, MKI do have it, LCA has it, Only Jaguars i doubt it.. mostly they will be accompanied by Mig-29 or MKI.. so how does it make sense?..

In NATO case, lot of countries participate in war and each have there own IFF code so inorder to avoid friendly fire they go and identify the case.... which make sense.. but still they have the NATO channel to communicate and launch missile at far of ranges.. but still to do double check they have visual identification because there enemies dont have a proper 4th gen fighters... if it had been India, China or Pakistan there strategy would be different.. they will definitely loose there birds if they have to do this.. so generally on 1 vs 1 if you take a 4th gen fighters it doesnt make sense to compare RCS...

 

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[sancho]

and how do you position yourself form such far distance?

First of all, I don't debate on RCS figures, because these are classified and all the forum talk about it are mainly estimations and not credible. You say a simple AAM will add the RCS so much, while way bigger cruise missiles are generally estimated with a RCS of 1m2 (see Beriev A50 or Saabs Erieye specs for example). Also it depends on many other factors too, FOV, jamming as 500 explained...
Secondly, lets say an MKI detects an enemy, but the from the side, so it's not in the FOV of the enemies radar. The MKI pilot will not shoot at maximum missile range or so, but will keep out of the enemies detection and close it to the no escape zone, identify the target visually or by AWACS for example and then will fire it's missiles.
You are highly mistaken if you think that all air combats will be head on engagements, or that only if a radar has a maximum range of several 100s of Km, that any enemy will be detected in that range too. Only with AWACS support, the fighters will get a full view of the surrounding air space, but limited to their own radars, they will have just a limited situational awareness. That's why AWACS, latest ESM capabilities like Rafale and EF offers, or in future AESA side arrays in Pak Fa / FGFA or Rafale will be a big improvement in the detection capability. The swashplate AESA of EF and Gripen is another example, it increases the field of view and give a fighter that is limited to it's radar alone, way more chances to detect and track targets, while the swashplate design itself is contradictory to the advantages of AESA, because you actually don't have to move the radar anymore, since the beam can be directed to different positions.

so unless fighters dont have the capability to identify around 50 KM of radar range it make sense

That's where IRST or optical systems helps. EF and Rafale for example can identify targets up to 40Km with IRST, while FSOs TV channel, especially the new one will increase this range even more. So identification within the no escape zone will be possible.

Thats why all the offender aircraft in IAF has been upgraded to have IFF..

Wrong, the Migs are the first that will get them through the upgrade, same will happen with MKIs and M2Ks during their upgrades and most probably with LCA when it comes. Rafale has it already, but all this is not avalable from day one of the upgrade of course, it takes years just to upgrade the Migs and M2ks, even longer to upgrade 100 MKIs, not to forget that there are 100s of Mig 21, 27s or Jags are in the fleet, which haven't this capability.
Also your example of Jags beeing escorted by Mig 29s is even the best example why visual ID is important! A Mig that escorts a strike package and that will be attacked by enemy interceptors can't simply shoot at any dot that appears on it's radar. It has to distinguis between the Jags and F16s for example, how do you do it in the middle of a fight?
That's exactly what happened in Red Flag, where MKIs that acted as escorts, often killed fighters of their own team during air combats, because they couldn't distinguish the targets on the radar and with limited AWACS support.
IAF has the aim of building up a complete netcentric warfar capable fleet, but that will take a lot of time and efford. Visual ID will remain important for a long time and only we take paper specs of radars or missiles about maximum detection or missile ranges, doesn't mean that a realistic air combat would be done with these specs. Just search a bit for the ranges where the US fighters used their Amraams during the Iraq wars for example and that allthough they had AWACS, long range fighter radars and missiles, as well as jamming capabilities. There are many factors that changes things in air combats and that has to be taken to account!

 

[anathema]

in future AESA side arrays in Pak Fa / FGFA or Rafale will be a big improvement in the detection capability.

Side arrays in Rafale ?? Is that planned in future - never heard about it till now. I thought that is very specific to T50...

 

[Jon Snow]

@Sancho - Will the Indian Rafale come with the M-88 ECO with uprated thrust of 90kn??

 

[anathema]

Folks - I have been thinking about MMRCA competition for the past couple of days and pondering on why it went the way it did. This is all retrospectively ofcourse ! It is my belief now that IAF always wanted Rafale and no other aircraft - and you could actually see this coming..

1St Point ) Competitors that were included. Top of the line fighters - however clearly some of them belonged to a different class altoghether - Such as teens and gripen. It is obvious that these fighters were included to make sure that transperancy and fair fight amongst all - was the nature of this competition. However the most important - IAF being able to learn strengths and weakness of all these potential future adversaries !

2nd Point ) Elimination - you can clearly make out by elimination process which aircraft IAF was preferring. Why ? They eliminated - F18 and Gripen - Both good fighters with excellent capabilities and wide range of weapon capabilities and with much cheaper costs. IAF definitely felt that if these two aircrafts every come into play in L1 process - then by their virtue of being cheap will be the resultant winner !! No doubts on it. Fortunately F18 did not perform well in high altitude Ladakh - which made it easy for IAF. Whereas for Gripen IAF made a claim about AESA radar being non-operational - which smugs of double-handedness since baring American's none of the fighters had an operational AESA radar (Rafale being close to operational). Wont comment on teens since its self evident. Mig's ruling out was made easy - due to Canopy incident (which i learned today) during the trials.

3rd Point) THis left EF and Rafale - with EF being operationally way behind Rafale. IAF i belive was satisfied and did their homework well. Since they believed if these two aircrafts were competiting against each other - then Rafale has always been the cheaper one and by that virtue the L1 candidate. So folks - If Rafale had to win - then L1 competitor had to be EF - this was a must and i believe everything was done to ensure this was the case !

IAF has played out its cards extremely well in this process. It has kept MoD happy , it has given French a very satisfied feeling of they having won the deal in a hard fought competition and finally - IAF gets the aircraft they always wanted. Touche!! Well Played !! - I am elated - and i believe this is how it should be done.


I dont have any proofs - just have been doing some thinking - and ofcourse speaking all of this retrospectively !!!

I Love Rafale and this is the best way it could have gotten in - so a very awesomely choreographed process.


Last word - This deal is for the French to loose - honestly i pray that they dont do something foolish and be stubborn ...MoD has a tendency to start all over again given the fact elections are also coming.

 

[500]

I guess the best AIM 120D and meteor will have a no escape zone within 60 KM for sure.. secondly the RCS you are talking is not a fixed one and it varies when you carry a weapon under the wings and belly... because the fins on missiles , the missile surface the pylons and the drop tanks will definitely increases RCS tremendously ...

and your claim is on clean configuration which does not apply when they carry a missile

I was talking about not clean configuration.

Here Russian estimates of plane survivability related to RCS:

 

[kingdurgaking]

First of all, I don't debate on RCS figures, because these are classified and all the forum talk about it are mainly estimations and not credible. You say a simple AAM will add the RCS so much, while way bigger cruise missiles are generally estimated with a RCS of 1m2 (see Beriev A50 or Saabs Erieye specs for example). Also it depends on many other factors too, FOV, jamming as 500 explained...
Secondly, lets say an MKI detects an enemy, but the from the side, so it's not in the FOV of the enemies radar. The MKI pilot will not shoot at maximum missile range or so, but will keep out of the enemies detection and close it to the no escape zone, identify the target visually or by AWACS for example and then will fire it's missiles.
You are highly mistaken if you think that all air combats will be head on engagements, or that only if a radar has a maximum range of several 100s of Km, that any enemy will be detected in that range too. Only with AWACS support, the fighters will get a full view of the surrounding air space, but limited to their own radars, they will have just a limited situational awareness. That's why AWACS, latest ESM capabilities like Rafale and EF offers, or in future AESA side arrays in Pak Fa / FGFA or Rafale will be a big improvement in the detection capability. The swashplate AESA of EF and Gripen is another example, it increases the field of view and give a fighter that is limited to it's radar alone, way more chances to detect and track targets, while the swashplate design itself is contradictory to the advantages of AESA, because you actually don't have to move the radar anymore, since the beam can be directed to different positions.




That's where IRST or optical systems helps. EF and Rafale for example can identify targets up to 40Km with IRST, while FSOs TV channel, especially the new one will increase this range even more. So identification within the no escape zone will be possible.



Wrong, the Migs are the first that will get them through the upgrade, same will happen with MKIs and M2Ks during their upgrades and most probably with LCA when it comes. Rafale has it already, but all this is not avalable from day one of the upgrade of course, it takes years just to upgrade the Migs and M2ks, even longer to upgrade 100 MKIs, not to forget that there are 100s of Mig 21, 27s or Jags are in the fleet, which haven't this capability.
Also your example of Jags beeing escorted by Mig 29s is even the best example why visual ID is important! A Mig that escorts a strike package and that will be attacked by enemy interceptors can't simply shoot at any dot that appears on it's radar. It has to distinguis between the Jags and F16s for example, how do you do it in the middle of a fight?
That's exactly what happened in Red Flag, where MKIs that acted as escorts, often killed fighters of their own team during air combats, because they couldn't distinguish the targets on the radar and with limited AWACS support.
IAF has the aim of building up a complete netcentric warfar capable fleet, but that will take a lot of time and efford. Visual ID will remain important for a long time and only we take paper specs of radars or missiles about maximum detection or missile ranges, doesn't mean that a realistic air combat would be done with these specs. Just search a bit for the ranges where the US fighters used their Amraams during the Iraq wars for example and that allthough they had AWACS, long range fighter radars and missiles, as well as jamming capabilities. There are many factors that changes things in air combats and that has to be taken to account!

while we are arguing that most of the engagements are not going to be head on ... but the military planners make sure it will be head on... The pilots do know how to cover or how they can reduce the radar weakness.. we are not talking about a 3rd world pilot here.. Pilots are trained accordingly and it is a very rare case in current you cant expect a engagement above 60 degree owing to the patrolling during war time. Thats what they are trained as there first lesson . secondly turning a 30 degree to left or right will not be a big factor for the pilots or the wing man . all the current radars hold by our adversaries are good in current execution.

Secondly LCA already holds IFF.. while mirage and m29 does get it during the upgrade.. while i believe MKI do have IFF transporders but i dont want to confirm or comment on that ..

In your case when they do escort they will not far apart but in visual range only... this makes a logical and the planners to the same way... and inter escorts are identified by IFF..
MKI in red flag was blind they didnt have there transponders in sync with NATO and often they were misled by the people in AWACS... which made them to take a decision that shoot what ever they could see there.. they did lot of friendly fire yes.... but not the MKI itself ...

The main reason for network centric warfare is to remove all the manual works and make it command from a single place and automate things.. already things are in progress...

secondly Mig-27 , 21 to get IFF doesnt make sense because they are in last phase of there life.. so if there is a near war they will do visual identification but soon they will not.. and 4th generation fighters are there to stay for next 2-3 decades ..

In this decade we are going to see definitely see a tremendous change in the warfare trends due to AWACS being inducted in almost all the countries... and RCS will never be a factor for 4th generation fighters..

 

[Shaurya]

 

[Yeti]

Rafale looks better in this demo

 

[Ambitious.Asian]

05 Feb,2012

PARIS:Many global arms industry observers were surprised this week when the Indian Air Force announced that it had chosen French firm Dassault Aviation as its preferred bidder for a roughly $11-billion deal to supply India with 126 jet fighters. After all, despite 12 years of heavy sales bombardments all over the world that sometimes even included the president, only the French air force has ever actually bought the Rafale.

The deal isn't done yet - the French have just won the right to an exclusive negotiation - but it is close enough that shares in Dassault shot up by 20% the day of the announcement.

So how did Dassault finally pull it off? And not just any deal, but what some say is the biggest cross-border military aviation contract of all time? Of course, the Indian government said it went to the low bidder, but that seems unlikely - particularly since the final price hasn't been set, and no one picks up jet planes just because they're on sale.

The Deal
French firm Dassault won $11 billion contract to supply 126 Rafale jets.
Snapped it up with lower bid against Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft.
The size of the contract could eventually go up to 200 aircraft.

The Aircraft
Rafale is a twin-engined, delta-wing jet Can fly up to 2,130 km per hour in high altitude. b
In service for the French Air Force since 2006.
Has been playing air support roles in Afghan war Part of Nato campaign in Libya in 2011.

The Company
Dassault family is the majority owner. EADS, a co-producer of competing Typhoon, owns 46% of the equity.
The company has delivered 7,500 civil & military aircraft to 75 countries.
Dassault came close to selling aircraft to Brazil and Switzerland, but failed to secure a contract as yet.
UAE was reportedly in final negotiations to buy 60 Rafale in June 2010, but drama unfolded when Eurofighter Typhoon was allowed to submit a counter-offer.
French defence minister gave an ultimatum that Rafale production would be halted if the jets could be sold abroad.

And The Snag
The file containing the offset proposals of contenders went missing in December 2010. Later found on the roadside in south Delhi.h The episode threatened to derail the tendering process itself.

Others in the race
Six contenders were subjected to extensive field evaluation trials.
Four aircraft eliminated last year on technical grounds were American Lockheed Martin's F-16 and Boeing's F/A-18, Russian United Aircraft Corporation's MiG-35 and Swedish SAAB's Gripen

With billions on the table, and the national security at stake, the French plane must have edged out the multi-national Eurofighter for a number of reasons. Nine possibilities:

(1)A BETTER LUNCH
Of course, nobody makes an important decision for the food, but the prospect of hanging out in Bordeaux, home of the Dassault assembly line, instead of Halbergmoos, Germany, couldn't have hurt. On the one hand, you're in the heart of the French wine country, in a rich and sunny part of France. On the other, you're in cold, grey Bavaria, facing a few years of sausages, sauerkraut, and beer served in mugs the size of small aquariums.

(2)DASSAULT WAS HUNGRY
Dassault has failed to sell the Rafale abroad since 2000. Although its Mirage planes were popular in the 1970s, Dassault hasn't had a similar success with the Rafale line. Deals with the United Arab Emirates, Morocco and Brazil all fell through.

To top it off, President Nicolas Sarkozy is very unpopular and faces an uphill election campaign. After all the economic troubles under his tenure, bringing home a little jambon would be seen as a positive - particularly as France has reportedly sunk more than $50 billion on the Rafale's development, a lot of money for a country that spends around $60 billion a year on defence.

Despite the fact that chairman and chief executive officer Serge Dassault is a member of Sarkozy's political party, owns the leading French conservative newspaper (Le Figaro) and even serves as a French senator (where he is vice-finance chairman), the government had recently announced plans to cease production in 2021 if outside buyers could not be found.

(3)BECAUSE I'M WORTH IT
L'Oreal, the French cosmetics company, made a fortune selling its more-expensive home hair dye with ads that showed some sultry blonde saying she'd chosen L'Oreal, "because I'm worth it". Now that India has become a much wealthier country, it can afford the best for its pilots - and Rafale is arguably the best.

"They kind of went for the 'fun to fly' factor rather than the best value factor," says S Amer Latif, a visiting fellow in US-India policy studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, DC.

"If you ask me which plane is better, I'd answer Rafale is a more mature and already multi-role plane," says David Cenicotti, an Italian military aviation blogger. "The Eurofighter is a younger technology, believed to be cheaper and to have a more political clout because it is built by four European countries."

However, this can also be a flaw in times when financial crisis has seen the same four countries much distant from one another on the strategy to save eurozone.

(4)DASSAULT IS SMART
Although the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale began as more or less the same aircraft, Dassault pulled out of the design consortium in 1985, and in recent years the Rafale has made some technical gains. First, the Rafale has a more advanced radar system than the Eurofighter Typhoon. Unlike the Typhoon, it's also already possible to configure to landing on an aircraft carrier - an adjustment that can be difficult, according to James Hardy, Asia-Pacific editor of Jane's Defence Weekly.

The company has also had a tradition of being on the cutting edge. A 1973 profile of Dassault described the company as viewing sales differently than American aircraft companies: "Whereas most American aircraft companies commonly look on development as an unavoidable and not particularly attractive prelude to production, Dassault seems to view production as a buffer work assignment to fill capacity not absorbed by development."

(5)DASSAULT IS NOT AMERICAN
American arms deals tend to come with strings attached - inspections, and possibly spare parts embargos if they don't approve of the uses to which a plane is put - as happened after India's nuclear tests in the 1990s. Buy American and you get the American agenda free.

"The US sells weapons under quite strict conditions - how to use them and where to use them," says Siemon Wezeman, senior researcher at the Stockholm International Research Institute. The US also requires buyers to submit to regular inspections, he says, which some countries find humiliating.

The French, on the other hand, tend to be more laissez-faire and more independent of the major powers - in their own way, not unlike the Indians. "The whole idea that the French are sometimes very independent vis-a-vis some of the big countries, may give them an added advantage," Wezeman adds.

(6)OR BRITISH AND GERMAN AND SPANISH AND ITALIAN
An important part of the deal is the transfer of the technology to India. The Eurofighter is a joint product, which runs off four different production lines. This could have led to a lot of complexity down the line, particularly as the agreement calls for setting up a production line and transferring the technology to India. "It seems to me that the Eurofighter's technical transfer might have been a bit more complicated than the French," says Latif of CSIS.

(7)FRANCE MAKES ALL THE PARTS
Even as most arms makers, including American manufacturers, have tried to cut costs and boost political consensus by creating global supply chains, France still tries to maintain an independent military industrial base. That makes things more expensive for the French taxpayer, but the Indian Air Force may see this as an advantage: rather than worry about maintaining relations with a group of countries, almost all the parts for the Rafale are sourced within France, simplifying the logistics, according to Wezeman.

(8)THE ARAB SPRING SPRANG THE RAFALE INTO THE NEWS
To most of us, war is a horrible tragedy. To arms dealers, it's a great sales tool. Muammar Ghaddafi was a big fan of the Rafale, and even expressed interest in purchasing a number of them in 2007. Although he later changed his mind - a decision he may have regretted last spring - the one time fan inadvertently helped sell them: French Rafale fighters provided key support for Libyan rebels and reportedly performed very well.


(9)BEAUTY IS IN THE WALLET OF THE BEHOLDER
In the late 1980s, Dassault was involved with a helicopter procurement scandal in Belgium that ended in the conviction of the minister of defence, the chairman of the Socialist Party and a number of other Belgian politicians and government officials, and 18 months' probation for CEO Serge Dassault.

However, it should be noted that at the time, Dassault was not actually breaking French law - bribing French officials was illegal but bribing foreign officials was fair game: until 2000, foreign bribery expenses were even tax deductible.

More recently, Dassault seems to have continued to have problems with his cash targeting system. In 2008, he won reelection of mayor (it's possible to hold several offices simultaneously in France) in Evry, a town south of Paris, but in 2009, the State Council invalidated results on allegations that he paid some voters for their support.

So far, no official allegations have been made about the Rafale contract, outside an outlandish claim last April by Subramanian Swamy, Janata Party leader, that a kind of criminal Italian sorority had engineered the deal, comprised Carla Bruni, the half-Italian first lady of France, and Sonia Gandhi, the head of the National Advisory Council, and Mrs Gandhi's sisters.

Whether a few fat envelopes closed the deal or not, one analyst says suspicion of corruption could still unravel the contract. "I think the biggest risk is when somebody starts shouting corruption even if there isn't anything, because it has to be investigated," Wezeman says.





9 factors that may have helped Dassault sell its Rafale fighter this week - The Economic Times