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[Taygibay]

Sancho is right, Trucker.

The UAE are a very demanding customer.
Both their present fleet of F-18 and M2000
have been tailored to suit them.
They have made requirements for specific equipments,
ranging from new weapons to new engines.
So that they include in their contract the development
of some of these additional capacities. *
(They also ask for the M2000-9 to be "bought" back from
them and the resale value may be not included there so that
you should then substract the price of these 60 odd fighter
from the 10 billion general deal enveloppe.)


Were you to go to your local Jeep dealership and get the new
one in basic package while your cousin goes too and requires
a big wheel pack with new suspension and transmission plus
extra lights, winch, air conditioning, stereo wundersystem and
customized paint job, the pricing would differ wildly for you & him.

Also consider that there was no contest à la MMRCA.
All 3 purchases I mentioned were done by the UAE selecting their
AC of choice and furnishing a list of additional demands.


For instance, Sancho mentioned the Kaveri and Shakti in clearing
another post for me earlier.
Some re-designs and adaptation can in some cases cost as much
as a new development.
Still in the car comparison, think of asking Ferrari to install a truck
HEMI in their latest model for you or their own nice V-12 in a Ford
Focus or Tata Nano and think how much they'd charge ..........

So if one was to compare, starting from the Brazilian FX-2 deal values
would be more realistic, with the cost going down in India's case on
account of a higher number of planes in the buy.
{ Fx-2 = about 2.2 billions $ for 36 planes with hefty ToT. }

Good day all, Tay.


*
During the years those talks endured, the Market for currencies
also meant variations up to 45 % of the costs.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

NEW DELHI: The Defence Ministry has invited Eurofighter and Dassault Rafale - the two shortlisted vendors in the multi-billion dollar combat aircraft deal - on November 4 to open their commercial bids after which a final decision on giving the contract will be taken.

The two shortlisted vendors have received a letter from the Ministry and have been informed that commercial bids for procuring 126 Multi-role Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) tender will be opened on November 4, industry sources told PTI here.

After the bids are opened, the Defence Ministry will be able to determine the lowest bidder in the deal and decide who will ultimately get the contract, described as the "mother of all deals", they said.

As per Indian rules, the lowest bidder in a deal meeting all the specified requirements is considered to be the winner.

The Defence Ministry had earlier this month cleared the way for opening commercial bids of Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon by approving their offset proposals.

Defence Ministry officials said all the spade work for the opening of bids was over and the bids will be opened in the presence of the two vendors.

 

[Trucker]

4th november..
let me check horoscope

 

[WHITESMOKE]

4th november..
let me check horoscope

And horoscope of whose?

 

[Perceptron]

India to Announce MMRCA Winner Next Month
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 24 Oct 2011 13:33

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NEW DELHI - India's $10 billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contest has entered its last stage, with the Indian Defence Ministry alerting the two competitors that the commercial bids will be opened Nov. 4.

Letters were sent Oct. 24 to France's Dassault Aviation and European company EADS, a ministry source here said. After the commercial bids are opened, the lowest bidder will be decided and price negotiations with the winner will begin.

The MMRCA program has picked up momentum in the Defence Ministry, and a contract is likely to be sealed by March 2012.

Based on flight trials of all the MMRCA competitors, the aircraft proposed by U.S. companies Lockheed Martin and Boeing, Sweden's Saab and Russia's MiG Aircraft were ejected from the race, leaving the Dassault Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon in the fray.

The Indian Defence Ministry floated its biggest global tender, worth $10 billion, for the acquisition of 126 MMRCAs in August 2007.

The Indian Air Force intends to replace its aging Russian-built MiG-21 fighter aircraft with the MMRCA because the Indian-designed and -built Light Combat Aircraft has been delayed by more than a decade.

Under the MMRCA proposal, India would buy 18 ready-to-fly fighters off the shelf and the remaining 108 would be built in India under technology transfer from the contract winner.

 

[Archie]

Well let me make another Prediction

Due to 2 yrs Delay in mmrca and selection of Rafale and EF , the deal will cost us atleast 14 Billion USD for just the 126 fighters , WHILE Weapons Package for these jets is expected to cost ATLEAST 3 Billion USD

Rafale will be announced as the lowest bidder , becoz it is cheaper by atleast 20 Million USD per aircraft

India will order the following weapons Package

800 Meteor BVRAAM
450 MICA
120 Scalp/Taurus Air launched Cruise Missiles
72 Exocet Anti Ship Missiles
1000 Brimstone Anti Armour Missiles
1600 AASM LGB KITS

 

[Raje amar]

weapons included in 10 billion dollar bill??if this goes,atleast indian mmrca will be above 17 billion including more 63 extra without weapons.i think govt has offset upto 14-15 billion dollar total.so there are chances of cancelling and chance of hornets but again tot will be an issue with hornets.

$12bil is the price 6 years back. considering inflation it will now touch to somewhere around $15bil. & even the wepons is not included in this. so a total package of the 126 will touch to around $18 - 20 bil.
if outed for additional 60 jets the package will be $ 25bil plus.
but they will not declare all that so you never know.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Rafale with Su30 mki

 

[sancho]

Rafale with Su30 mki

Don't like the Rafale paint job, but DA...what a combo ! ! !

 

[sancho]

weapons included in 10 billion dollar bill??if this goes,atleast indian mmrca will be above 17 billion including more 63 extra without weapons.i think govt has offset upto 14-15 billion dollar total.so there are chances of cancelling and chance of hornets but again tot will be an issue with hornets.

No, weapon deals are always extra deals. The System costs migh have "some" weapons included, but not for the full life cycle. No, they won't cancell it, because it's too obvious that they are ready to pay high prizes not for the fighter alone, but for the package that comes with it and IAF opposes the US fighters anyway, because of the high restrictions and lack of capabilities, so they are out of question.

 

[SpArK]

Rafale with Su30 mki

Come November 4... this becomes a reality.

 

[Trucker]

i will support eft but their production lines will be stopped after few years

 

[CallsignAlzaeem]

I have seen Rafale performing,Dont know what to say but at some maneuvers it certainly out did any other jet present at the air show,Impressive indeed,Aggressive bird,would definitely give headache to its rivals.

 

[sudhir007]

 

[sancho]

Btw, there are reports that the EF was rejected from the competition in Japan, but it's not confirmed so far. If that's the case, the EF countries and consortium will be even more desperate to get the deal in India, because there is no other potential partner in sight.