Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[rockstarIN]

My favorite jet in the entire MMRCA competition,would have been the best option both economically and maintainence wise

We use the same engine for LCA, same amount of composites...So why not make LCA to a Gripen NG instead of buying it?

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

I said that as Tejas Mark two can carry a payload of upto 5000 Kilo's as opposed to Gripen IN's 7500 Kilo's and the Gripen is available now but Tejas won't be ready until 2017(FOC).

 

[Black Widow]

I said that as Tejas Mark two can carry a payload of upto 5000 Kilo's as opposed to Gripen IN's 7500 Kilo's and the Gripen is available now but Tejas won't be ready until 2017(FOC).

True, But what is the use of buying Light category fighter plane while the tender has been raised for MMRCA??? AFAIK Grippen and F16 were never in race... The true contender were F18,Rafael and EFT from very first day..

By the time 100+ MMRCA will be procured/made LCA will be somewhat technologically close to Gripen..

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

True, But what is the use of buying Light category fighter plane while the tender has been raised for MMRCA??? AFAIK Grippen and F16 were never in race... The true contender were F18,Rafael and EFT from very first day..

By the time 100+ MMRCA will be procured/made LCA will be somewhat technologically close to Gripen..

Gripen was in the MMRCA race because it is a Medium-weight category aircraft.I only said that ACCORDING TO ME,Gripen was our best choice
I agree with your last statement.

 

[RPK]

Lindgren said that Sweden hoped to get the deal to supply Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) despite Indian Air Force shortlisting Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, both double engine aircrafts. “Ours is a single engine aircraft that is light and 10 times cheaper than the two aircrafts. The IAF has to upgrade its old MIGs and there is also a need to buy affordable aircrafts. So we are hopeful that India will come back to us,” he said.

TN aims to become a global skills hub - southindia - Tamil Nadu - ibnlive

 

[sancho]

I said that as Tejas Mark two can carry a payload of upto 5000 Kilo's as opposed to Gripen IN's 7500 Kilo's and the Gripen is available now but Tejas won't be ready until 2017(FOC).

The 7500Kg of the Gripen NG is not realistic, that was one of Saabs PR tricks and would be possible only with reduced internal fuel:

MTOW: 16500Kg - empty weight: 7100Kg - payload: 7500Kg
= Internal fuel: 1900Kg

That's even less than the older Gripens and LCA Mk1 have and normally the Gripen NG is given with increased internal fuel of around 3360Kg, which is why the payload normally should be around 6000Kg:

Also, Gripen NG is a tech demonstrator, that means that it shows some of the prototypes of the new techs and capabilities that could be available in the Gripen E/F, which is still far away from beeing ready. The first prototype with all airframe changes and the final radar, IRST... was said to fly in april/mai, but AFAIK that didn't happen. Not sure if it had something to do with the rejection in MMRCA, but the fact is, Gripen E/F might be ready earlier than LCA MK2, but is not available, ready, or even proven. Another commonality to LCA!

 

[anathema]

cross posting from other thread -- this is related to Mirage upgrade deal and possible impacts on MMRCA

Some questions to ponder -->

The deal so expensive doesnt make sense at the first glance however,

If India has made up its mind to go with Rafale or atleast there are enough indicators that L1 will be Rafale then this could mean that,

India initiates infrastructure setup for Mirage upgrade in such a way that it will have necessary ground work to expand towards Rafale production..this would further bring down the cost of Rafale offer...

HAL is trained on latest French production capabilities much before RAFALE arrives for production..significantly easing out any chances of dealy due to untrained manpower.....

Finally CCS has cleared this expensive deal, it is my hope that they wont raise a ruckuss when RAFALE comes along which will be exhorbitantly expensive...

Just some thoughts...

 

[DacterSaab]

True, But what is the use of buying Light category fighter plane while the tender has been raised for MMRCA??? AFAIK Grippen and F16 were never in race... The true contender were F18,Rafael and EFT from very first day..

By the time 100+ MMRCA will be procured/made LCA will be somewhat technologically close to Gripen..

actually the Rafale and EFT were always the only true choices cause very frankly anyone who thinks IAF would have bought outdated American jets is delusional

 

[Dash]

actually the Rafale and EFT were always the only true choices cause very frankly anyone who thinks IAF would have bought outdated American jets is delusional

Now they have offered F-35, imagine if it was there in initial offer...Equation qould have been a lot different. By the way F-18 is still not an outdated Jet. but outdated compared to some....If India can fund future platforms for F-18 then you could have gotten F-18 Silent Eagle...

 

[dr.crazze]

Now they have offered F-35, imagine if it was there in initial offer...Equation qould have been a lot different. By the way F-18 is still not an outdated Jet. but outdated compared to some....If India can fund future platforms for F-18 then you could have gotten F-18 Silent Eagle...

when they offer f35 and if at all they offer then it would be very late and possibly unaffordable with pakfa

 

[Dash]

when they offer f35 and if at all they offer then it would be very late and possibly unaffordable with pakfa

That is true, but how about IN, whose RFP was responded by LM with F-35, its a different story we rejected it outright, but considering when MRCA started, if it was there then things would have been surely different, and we were also intial stage of participating in PAKFA....

 

[dr.crazze]

That is true, but how about IN, whose RFP was responded by LM with F-35, its a different story we rejected it outright, but considering when MRCA started, if it was there then things would have been surely different, and we were also intial stage of participating in PAKFA....

it is actually being offered that if we go for f16 then in future us will sell the f35 lightening ii if as you can see india declined i think india is more inclined for the mig lmfs project right now as if we drop it down it may end up in hands of ????(you know who)

 

[brational]

Mig LMFS cant be a choice nor does F-35.. Why we r moving towards AMCA then? Too many Fighter planes.. IAF will become mad, what to fly, when to fly, how to fly and even why to fly.. There are smarter people in the system, let them deceide AMCA or LMFS or F35.. Till then enjoy guys... Zindegi Na Milegi Dobara..

 

[Dash]

it is actually being offered that if we go for f16 then in future us will sell the f35 lightening ii if as you can see india declined i think india is more inclined for the mig lmfs project right now as if we drop it down it may end up in hands of ????(you know who)

I dont think its right to say we need to buy a fighter coz if we dont it might fall in someone else's hands.
What we need to buy is purely dependant on what we need and what kind of tech base we can create out of it.

Long back and i think even today some say that China dropped out of PAKFA project coz they wanted to persue their own and it fell in our hands and we became a partner in it, not just buying the fighter. And China did the right think not fearing if India will buy one or not...

We need to have similar mentality and I am sure we have it. LMFS is not more than a paper plane with just a hull and engine. Russians might persue it but that will be later..for LMFS we are having AMCA...and a better plane than that (at least in paper which will come true).

So we are on track....

That F-35 thing if we would have baught F-16 was a PR at the best.

 

[dr.crazze]

I dont think its right to say we need to buy a fighter coz if we dont it might fall in someone else's hands.
What we need to buy is purely dependant on what we need and what kind of tech base we can create out of it.

Long back and i think even today some say that China dropped out of PAKFA project coz they wanted to persue their own and it fell in our hands and we became a partner in it, not just buying the fighter. And China did the right think not fearing if India will buy one or not...

We need to have similar mentality and I am sure we have it. LMFS is not more than a paper plane with just a hull and engine. Russians might persue it but that will be later..for LMFS we are having AMCA...and a better plane than that (at least in paper which will come true).

So we are on track....

That F-35 thing if we would have baught F-16 was a PR at the best.

all i want to push is in light of amca f 35 is unfeasible but we can have the mig lmfs tech and use it in amca and its(lmfs) not a paper plane its flying
btw no offence look closely at the j20 it looks to me as a enlarged 2 engined version of lmfs