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[angeldemon_007]

Eurofighter optimistic to win India's MMRCA contract - Brahmand.com

 

[praveen007]

it seems that India is tilting towards euro-fighter as this artical suggest that there is some snag between the talks with Indian defence ministry and french rafale
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UAE most likely buyer for French Rafale jet-minister | Reuters
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UAE most likely buyer for French Rafale jet-minister.
Wed, Jul 20 11:42 AM EDT
* French Defence Minister says talks with UAE advanced
* UAE no longer demanding more powerful engines
PARIS, July 20(Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates is France's best bet in the short term for clinching an export deal for Dassault Aviation's Rafale fighter jet, French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet said on Wednesday.
The French company has still not found a foreign buyer for the multi-role Rafale, billed as one of the most effective but also one of the most expensive fighter jets in the world.
The aircraft maker had come close to securing a multi-billion-dollar deal with Brazil, but the Brazilian government has delayed its decision until 2012 and President Dilma Lousseff looks to be favouring rival Boeing's F-18.
India has shortlisted the Rafale along with Eurofighter's Typhoon for a 126-jet deal and talks are ongoing, although Longuet appeared to suggest they may have hit a snag.
"Some countries have budget problems, as in Brazil's case. They may also have political problems, as in India's case.
That leaves the Emirates and talks are advanced," Longuet told reporters in Paris.
The minister said the UAE was no longer demanding a more powerful engine, previously a condition for a deal, and said he thought Rafale airstrikes in Libya had helped sway the Emirati government.
"The operational and multi-role capacities of the Rafale are being proven on a daily basis with these strikes," he said.
"The Libyan conflict is a clear demonstration that the current engine capacity is sufficient."
The UAE has been in talks with Dassault since 2008 over the purchase of 60 Rafale jets, estimated at 10 billion dollars, to replace their fleet of Mirage 2000s which they bought in 1983.
Talks with Brazil have been going on for years, and Dassault came close to a deal with former president Luis Ignacio da
Silva. But that was thrown into doubt by his successor President Dilma Roussef who demanded a review of all finalists' bids when she took office at the start of 2011.
Last week, Brazilian Defence
Minister Nelson Jobim said the
government would not re-
examine bids until the start of
2012 as it needed to focus on its
domestic agenda.
"The Rafale hasn't been ruled
out but that decision isn't
President Dilma Roussef's main
priority at the moment,"
Longuet told reporters in Paris.
Regarding the Indian talks,
Longuet said he was confident
the government preferred the
Rafale and that the final
decision would be technical
rather than political.
"Things seem to look good," he
said, adding that in India's case
too Libya had also had a positive
effect. (Reporting by Emmanuel
Jarry; Writing by Vicky Buffery;
Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)

 

[Jon Snow]

good if true - am supporting the eft......
Have noticed something odd about people here - they seem to love pouncing on russia whenever there is a delay or cost overrun- but they love the french, forgetting that we have signed two major deals with them and both of them have had huge cost overruns and delays( scorpenes and mirage upg which will take 9 yrs to upg 51 aircraft)..... This might be something mod will want to take into consideration while making the decision( there are other factors as well like them supplying pakistan etc)

 

[sancho]

Regarding the Indian talks, Longuet said he was confident the government preferred the Rafale and that the final
decision would be technical rather than political. "Things seem to look good," he said, adding that in India's case too Libya had also had a positive effect.

You might missed this part of the article isn't it?

good if true - am supporting the eft......
Have noticed something odd about people here - they seem to love pouncing on russia whenever there is a delay or cost overrun- but they love the french, forgetting that we have signed two major deals with them and both of them have had huge cost overruns and delays( scorpenes and mirage upg which will take 9 yrs to upg 51 aircraft)..... This might be something mod will want to take into consideration while making the decision( there are other factors as well like them supplying pakistan etc)

The Mirage upgrade is neither signed, nor is there any costoverrun so far, because only the deal is not fixed. All the talk about higher costs, or the 9 years are only media speculations. Moreover!!! The RFP was send out years ago and answered by the French, it is our MoD/GoI that keeps delaying a decision about it, similarly, the upgrade will be done in India, IF it is true and it will take 9 years, it would be HALs fault. So in both examples of you, are rather examples that makes us look bad, not the French.
However, it is true that our MoD/GoI will take into consideration that we had problems with the Scorpene subs, or how the French behaived in the Mirage upgrade negotioations (which only MoD/GoI and IAF knows so far, that's why the media speculates so much!), but also that France is a long term reliable and trusted partner, be it in peace, war, or sanction times, that they offer us key techs and weapons that other western countries doesn't and that their products had a clear advantage over Russian counterparts in terms of, quality, reliability and after sale support!
They have their down sides like any other country, but from our point of view France has several advantages for sure and this is even a key for us to bound them closer to us, keep in mind that they didn't sold radar and weapons for JF 17 and suspended all major weapon sales to Pakistan.

 

[anniyan]

Friends i am not sure where to post, i know its a wrong thread but its worth watching

 

[SpArK]

Boeing F/A-18E/F IRST System Advances to Next Development Phase
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ST. LOUIS, July 21, 2011 -- The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Infrared Search and Track (IRST) program received a Milestone B Acquisition Decision Memorandum from the U.S. Navy on July 13. This allows the program to advance to its next development phase -- Engineering and Manufacturing Development.

The IRST system is a passive, long-range sensor that searches for and detects infrared emissions. The system can simultaneously track multiple targets and provide a highly effective air-to-air targeting capability, even when encountering advanced threats equipped with radar-jamming technology.


"The IRST sensor system will expand Super Hornet detection and targeting capability in multiple mission profiles, including electronically denied environments," said Tim Adrian, Boeing F/A-18E/F IRST program manager. "The F/A-18E/F features a balanced approach to combat survivability and lethality, employing a variety of onboard sensors that provide aircrews with unmatched situational awareness. The new IRST system will continue to expand the Super Hornet's advanced capability."

IRST is a critical element of the Navy's F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet Flight Plan, a series of planned capability enhancements that ensures the Super Hornet will continue to outdistance known and emerging threats over the coming decades.



Subcontracted to Boeing on the IRST contract are Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT], which is producing the IRST sensor; GE Aviation [NYSE: GE], for the fuel tank assembly that will contain the sensor; and Meggitt Defense Systems Inc., Irvine, Calif., for the unit's cooling subassembly.

The Boeing Super Hornet is a multirole aircraft, able to perform virtually every mission in the tactical spectrum, including air superiority, day/night strike with precision-guided weapons, fighter escort, close air support, suppression of enemy air defenses, maritime strike, reconnaissance, forward air control and tanker missions.

A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is one of the world's largest defense, space and security businesses specializing in innovative and capabilities-driven customer solutions, and the world's largest and most versatile manufacturer of military aircraft. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is a $32 billion business with 65,000 employees worldwide.

Boeing F/A-18E/F IRST System Advances to Next Development Phase | Product Design and Development

 

[Executioner]

Friends i am not sure where to post, i know its a wrong thread but its worth watching

Thanks it was very informative.

 

[luckyyy]

MMRCA thread been most talkative once ..

but not only MMRCA but for last few weeks i am observing the over all message posted by indian members on PDF on a decline..

what up ? why ?

are the indian members are losing intrest here on PDF , but why ?

 

[marcos98]

MMRCA thread been most talkative once ..

but not only MMRCA but for last few weeks i am observing the over all message posted by indian members on PDF on a decline..

what up ? why ?

are the indian members are losing intrest here on PDF , but why ?

Silence before the storm

 

[praveen007]

IAF pushes for opening of aircraft bids to replace MIG 21s - Brahmand.com
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NEW DELHI (PTI): Keen on
getting 126 combat aircraft as
early as possible, the Indian Air
Force (IAF) is pushing for the
commercial bids of the two
contenders – Eurofighter and
Dassault – to be opened before
the end of this month.
“We are pushing the Defence
Ministry to open the bids of
these two companies by the
end of this month,” a senior
IAF official told PTI.
After the opening of the
commercial bids, the Defence
Ministry will work out the L-1
(lowest bidder) in the tender on the basis of the
life cycle cost of operating the two aircraft.
“There are around nine enclosures and each of
them have 20 points which include parameters
like labour cost, repairing and maintenance cost,
cost of spare parts and their service ability and
the man-hours required to maintain the aircraft.
All this would be taken into account to determine
the lowest bidder,” the official said.
As per the Defence Procurement Procedure, the
vendors offering a military product at lowest
price and meeting all the requirements are
awarded the contract.
IAF had evaluated six contenders including
Eurofighter and Dassault Aviation. In April, the
other four contenders including American Boeing
and Lockheed Martin, Russian RAC MiG and
Swedish Saab Gripen were intimated that they
will not be allowed to take part in the further
tendering process.
IAF had evaluated them on 660 parameters and
Defence Ministry had said that the deal was
expected to be finalised by the end of this fiscal.
The aircraft will be used by the Air Force to
replace its fleet of MiG-21s and augment its
capabilities to carry out multi-role missions.
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IAF pushes for opening of aircraft bids to replace MIG 21s - Brahmand.com

 

[Abingdonboy]

MMRCA thread been most talkative once ..

but not only MMRCA but for last few weeks i am observing the over all message posted by indian members on PDF on a decline..

what up ? why ?

are the indian members are losing intrest here on PDF , but why ?

I remember the exact same thing happened before the April-11 "down-select". When the news first appeared on PDF the opener received many, many thanks and there were over 120 members vowing the thread at any one time. This lasted for days after with both the MMRCA "sticky" and EFF-Rafle going strong. Now it seems there os very little, new, to talks about as most of the facets of this incredibly complex deal, that are open to the public (much remains classified) has been talked, discussed, argued, shouted etc and all members can do is post any news that remotely relates to either remaining fighter (and sometimes eliminated ones) whether mentioning MMRCA or not. And many are waiting for submittal of commercial bids soon and eventual winner in, hopefully, September.

 

[sancho]

I remember the exact same thing happened before the April-11 "down-select". When the news first appeared on PDF the opener received many, many thanks and there were over 120 members vowing the thread at any one time. This lasted for days after with both the MMRCA "sticky" and EFF-Rafle going strong. Now it seems there os very little, new, to talks about as most of the facets of this incredibly complex deal, that are open to the public (much remains classified) has been talked, discussed, argued, shouted etc and all members can do is post any news that remotely relates to either remaining fighter (and sometimes eliminated ones) whether mentioning MMRCA or not. And many are waiting for submittal of commercial bids soon and eventual winner in, hopefully, September.

True and there is simply not much news, or infos at the moment, because the comercial bid will be oppened now and it will take some time till some official statements on them will come out. So far we have only media speculations and PR, especially from the EF side (better in A2G than Rafale in Libya, better than Su 30 MKI in A2A), the rest are mainly reports from the operational service in Libya.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

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[praveen007]

IAF likely to buy 189 jet fighters for over $20 bn
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NEW DELHI: The “mother” could well become the
“granny” of all defence deals. India is likely to go
in for another 63 fighters after delivery of the first
126 MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) if
the “timelines” for its other fighter development
projects are not met, say top defence officials.
This would be the biggest overhaul of any air
force in the world in such a short period.
When the MMRCA selection process was initiated
in mid-2007, the project cost was pegged at Rs
42,000 crore, or $10.4 billion for 126 fighters. But
it will zoom well beyond $20 billion if India opts
for 189 jets. Even with 126 jets, this is the biggest
such fighter contract going around the world as
of now.
India is likely to go in for another 63 fighters after
delivery of the first 126 medium multi-role
combat aircraft if other fighter jet projects get
delayed.
The move comes even as the defence ministry is
all set to open the commercial bids of the two jets
left in the MMRCA fray —French Rafale and
Eurofighter Typhoon, “within a week or two”.
Eurofighter Typhoon is backed by the UK,
Germany, Spain and Italy.
The ministry has already rejected “any scope for
comeback” by other four jets, including the
American F/A-18 s and F-16 s, ejected out of the
MMRCA race in April on technical grounds after
gruelling field trials. “We are looking for only 126
fighters. The first 18 jets will come from abroad,
while the rest 108 will be manufactured by
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd after transfer of
technology from end-2016 or early-2017
onwards,” said a senior ministry official.
“But yes, if the timelines for the Tejas LCA (Light
Combat Aircraft) and the stealth Indo-Russian
FGFA (Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft) projects
are not met, we will go for more MMRCA to retain
IAF’s combat edge,” he added.......
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full artical on below link
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IAF plans biggest overhaul of fighters - The Economic Times

 

[Hulk]

MMRCA thread been most talkative once ..

but not only MMRCA but for last few weeks i am observing the over all message posted by indian members on PDF on a decline..

what up ? why ?

are the indian members are losing intrest here on PDF , but why ?

I felt the same and the reason is idf.