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[Abingdonboy]

M-MRCA Commercial Bids Expire Tomorrow, What Now?​

The sealed commercial bids of the six competitors in the Indian M-MRCA fighter competition expire tomorrow. I spoke to officials at the six competing companies said they hadn't heard from the government, and were clueless about what happened next. So in under 36 hours, one of the following should happen:

1. The government will in all likelihood asks the six vendors to extend the validity of their commercial bids (though it hasn't asked them at least until the time this post goes on). In the first week of April, the government asked the six vendors to submit revised technical offsets bids. Tomorrow at midnight, the bids expire. In the past, requests for extensions have been provided with fair advance notice. This time, it's 36 hours and the vendors still haven't heard from the government. Foreseeing this eventuality, the vendors have probably kept their paperwork ready for the validity extension. Either way, the government can always ask for the extension after the bids expire, so this deadline isn't really a DEAD-line. Phooey.

2. If procedure permits, the government only requests those found technically compliant to extend the validity of their commercial bids for onward negotiations, and allows the others' bids to expire. An implicit down-select if you will.

3. The government announces its legendary explicit down-select -- fat chance of that happening.

4. The government cancels the M-MRCA tender. Yeah, right.

Livefist: M-MRCA Commercial Bids Expire Tomorrow, What Now?

One has to ask just WTF is going on at the MoD? What do they think they are doing? Deadline after deadline missed. Is this because they keep underestimating the workload? They are incredibly ineffiecnt at achieving the required work by the deadline?

Maybe this is a smart move by MoD (timing wise) as like Shiv said they can only ask the ones who they want (ie shortlist) to resubmit making it a de facto shortlisting and by the end of the week we will have the coveted MMRCA shortlist! We can only dream (it is strange though with only 36 hours to go that the MoD has not asked the companies to resubmit well in advance as usual, is this just sloppiness on MoD part or something more?).


Seriously does anyone know what the MoD officials who are assigned to this Competition do all day? The technical bids were submitted many months ago what more needs to be done? And after this let's not forget. That the final chosen plane's com
Any and MoD have to sit down and negotiate final costing and contractual arrangements? Oh joy? India is drowning in paper work and dieing from beauacracy! If the MMRCA wasn't worth so much most of the companies would have pulled out long ago, I dread to think what these officials and other defence officials think of the Indian MoD.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Don't know if it has been posted before and not the Gripen is NOT my choice for MMRCA but this is an awesome pic/layout:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xE...IHE/Ksmm-siojRU/s1600-h/GripenIN__Concept.jpg

 

[SpArK]

LATEST BLOG: POLL: Make your shortlist for India's next fighter


POLL: Make your shortlist for India's next fighter - The DEW Line

 

[sancho]

seems all the road leads to the same destination on which we are arguing... Hopefully Dassault is not the culprit too...

I find these parts more interesting:

Flight testing is contingent on customer interest; thus far no nations have purchased the new version, unveiled last year....

...The International Roadmap includes a variety of options, including up-rated engines, panoramic display, conformal fuel tanks and an infrared search and track sensor. The concept was unveiled at the Farnborough airshow last year, and a mock-up displayed at Aero-India in February.

Just options that they offer, but that are not funded, available, or tested yet. Compare it with the future options of the F16 for example:

Future Options

See Current Options

The following systems could be integrated on the F-16. Many have already been demonstrated.

* Air Refueling Probe
This probe provides in-flight refueling from a drogue system. Options include a telescoping probe from a wing fuel tank.

* Auxiliary Power Unit
This power unit replaces the jet fuel starter and ground electrical and hydraulics carts.

* On-Board Inert Gas Generation System (OBIGGS)
OBIGGS eliminates halon and nitrogen servicing requirements.

* Multiaxis Thrust Vectoring
This type of vectoring provides precise control and high nose-pointing rates at low air speeds

* In-Flight Route Planning
Using in-flight route planning, pilots are provided with dynamic flight direction for best avoidance of threats.

* Perspective Displays
These displays provide the pilot with a visual refresher that improves first-run attack success probability.

* Embedded Training
This enhanced peacetime training uses realistic simulated threats and targets.

* Auto Ground Collision Avoidance System
An integrated digital terrain system with digital flight control, this system enhances low-altitude safety.

* Automatic Maneuvering Attack
This provides integrated fire and flight control for reduced pilot work load.

* Microwave Landing System
This system provides curvilinear precision instrument approach capability.

* Missile Warning System
This system provides warning of approaching missiles, including passive homing missiles, for proper timing of countermeasures.

* All-Weather Standoff Weapons
Weapons used include the AGM-84E Standoff Land-Attack Missile (SLAM) and the AGM-142 Popeye II.

* International Advanced Weapons
Advanced weapons include MICA, IRIS-T, Python IV, Active Skyflash air-to-air missile, ALARM antiradiation missile, Apache multimission standoff weapon, autonomous free-flight dispenser system, and AS30L laser-guided missile.

Future Options


Doesn't the F16 looks much better with them?

 

[sancho]

Don't know if it has been posted before and not the Gripen is NOT my choice for MMRCA but this is an awesome pic/layout:

GripenIN__Concept.jpg (image)

Would love to see such layouts from LCA for comparison!

 

[SpArK]

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist​

The Indian Ministry of Defense has issued letters, on Wednesday, to two of the six vendors competing in the estimated USD 10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), asking them to extend the validity of their commercial bids, which will expire on Thursday, tomorrow.

StratPost can confirm that the European Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and the French Dassault’s Rafale have been invited to do so, effectively making up the shortlist.

StratPost can also confirm that according to the IAF and the ministry, the other aircraft in the fray, the US Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, the US Lockheed Martin Corporation’s F-16, the Russian MiG-35 and the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen did not pass the technical evaluation conducted by the IAF.

It is noteworthy that this comes just a day before the commercial bids of all six vendors were to expire.

It would not be unsurprising if this move by the ministry and it’s coincidentally sharp timing were to raise the hackles of the spurned vendors. Industry insiders are already expecting to see a robust response from these vendors and their countries of origin, at least in private, to this decision.

One question some of the vendors losing out are already asking is why the ministry asked all the vendors to resubmit their offset proposals early this month if they already knew the outcome of the technical evaluation submitted by the IAF last summer, and waited till a day before the expiry of the commercial bids to effectively announce a shortlist by inviting extension of commercial bids from only two vendors.

The commercial bids of the other four vendors will lapse on Thursday, tomorrow.

Something else the uninvited vendors are ready to question is the basis for judging technical compliance, with robust speculation that none of the MMRCA-6 aircraft were actually completely compliant with the IAF’s 643 parameters listed in the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQRs) for the tender.


India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist


WTF????

 

[foxbat]

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist​

The Indian Ministry of Defense has issued letters, on Wednesday, to two of the six vendors competing in the estimated USD 10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), asking them to extend the validity of their commercial bids, which will expire on Thursday, tomorrow.

StratPost can confirm that the European Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and the French Dassault’s Rafale have been invited to do so, effectively making up the shortlist.

StratPost can also confirm that according to the IAF and the ministry, the other aircraft in the fray, the US Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, the US Lockheed Martin Corporation’s F-16, the Russian MiG-35 and the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen did not pass the technical evaluation conducted by the IAF.

It is noteworthy that this comes just a day before the commercial bids of all six vendors were to expire.

It would not be unsurprising if this move by the ministry and it’s coincidentally sharp timing were to raise the hackles of the spurned vendors. Industry insiders are already expecting to see a robust response from these vendors and their countries of origin, at least in private, to this decision.

One question some of the vendors losing out are already asking is why the ministry asked all the vendors to resubmit their offset proposals early this month if they already knew the outcome of the technical evaluation submitted by the IAF last summer, and waited till a day before the expiry of the commercial bids to effectively announce a shortlist by inviting extension of commercial bids from only two vendors.

The commercial bids of the other four vendors will lapse on Thursday, tomorrow.

Something else the uninvited vendors are ready to question is the basis for judging technical compliance, with robust speculation that none of the MMRCA-6 aircraft were actually completely compliant with the IAF’s 643 parameters listed in the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQRs) for the tender.


India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist


WTF????

HUH???????????????

 

[GORKHALI]

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist​

The Indian Ministry of Defense has issued letters, on Wednesday, to two of the six vendors competing in the estimated USD 10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), asking them to extend the validity of their commercial bids, which will expire on Thursday, tomorrow.

StratPost can confirm that the European Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and the French Dassault’s Rafale have been invited to do so, effectively making up the shortlist.

StratPost can also confirm that according to the IAF and the ministry, the other aircraft in the fray, the US Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, the US Lockheed Martin Corporation’s F-16, the Russian MiG-35 and the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen did not pass the technical evaluation conducted by the IAF.

It is noteworthy that this comes just a day before the commercial bids of all six vendors were to expire.

It would not be unsurprising if this move by the ministry and it’s coincidentally sharp timing were to raise the hackles of the spurned vendors. Industry insiders are already expecting to see a robust response from these vendors and their countries of origin, at least in private, to this decision.

One question some of the vendors losing out are already asking is why the ministry asked all the vendors to resubmit their offset proposals early this month if they already knew the outcome of the technical evaluation submitted by the IAF last summer, and waited till a day before the expiry of the commercial bids to effectively announce a shortlist by inviting extension of commercial bids from only two vendors.

The commercial bids of the other four vendors will lapse on Thursday, tomorrow.

Something else the uninvited vendors are ready to question is the basis for judging technical compliance, with robust speculation that none of the MMRCA-6 aircraft were actually completely compliant with the IAF’s 643 parameters listed in the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQRs) for the tender.


India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist


WTF????

Thats true!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I told this 5 months back ........... atleast go for something

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MAKE IT HEADLINES SPARKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Is this news credible?If yes then it's INcredible!Mr.Anyony FTW........................!!

 

[angeldemon_007]

Wow....its a huge news....but is it authentic ??/ It looks like the 6 month old news....but i hope this time its true...

 

[anathema]

Livefist: FLASH! Rafale & Typhoon Move To Next Level In M-MRCA, Others Left Behind


LIVEFIST is reporting it .......but expect this to be false news ....BOEING, GRIPEN, etc will soon come out saying that MoD has already contacted them.....even if this were true, good possibility is that the 'bids' will be scuttlet by those who didnt make it.....Anthony the saint that he is , will entertain this BS

 

[Shastra]

"4: The number of defence journalists who claimed to have a copy of the RFP on the day it was released.

0: The number of defence journalists who actually had a copy of the RFP on the day it was released."

LOL....

 

[Shastra]

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

I hope this news is authentic...

 

[sancho]

Eurofighter, Rafale make Indian MMRCA shortlist?

Eurofighter, Rafale make Indian MMRCA shortlist?

Defense World ^ | Apr 27, 2011

Our Bureau

Has India downselected Eurofighter Typhoon and the Dassault Rafale for the $ 10 billion MMRCA fighter aircraft procurement project. Informed sources told defenseworld.net that two of the vendors, Eurofighter and Dassault have been invited to the Indian MoD for further discussions on their commercial bids on April 28. The commercial bids are to expire tomorrow.

None of the other four bidding vendors have been invited so far for a discussion on the continuation of their bids, the sources said. Defenseworld.net reached two of the four vendors who confirmed that they have not received any communication on continuing or resubmitting their bids.

Does this mean that the two vendors have made the shortlist and the other four- Lockheed Martin F16, Boeing F/A 18, MiG-35 and Saab Gripen IN have been left out? A website reported that the four have failed the technical evaluation of the Indian Air Force (IAF) but this could be independently confirmed.

Informed sources said that an official announcement is likely on April 28 or 29 after the final shortlist is announced. If Eurofighter and Dassault have indeed made the shortlist, it means that the two have made passed the technical evaluation of the IAF. Under the Indian system of procurement, the top two qualifying vendors will be invited for commercial negotiations and the one which offers the best terms (lowest price) will be eventually selected.

In informal discussions with defenseworld.net earlier, executives of Eurofighter and Dassault were bullish on their bids stating that the performance superiority of the two European fighters had weighted over the other vendors in the flight trials and technical evaluation.

Wait and see

 

[sancho]

First official statement!

Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme

27 April 2011, in Press Release

Today defence and security company Saab AB has received information from the Indian Ministry of Defence that Gripen has not been shortlisted for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme.
”We are offering India a world class next generation fighter aircraft to a very competitive price and an extensive technology transfer programme. We have received this decision and will closely monitor the future process and provide additional information if requested by the Indian Ministry of Defence. We are confident that the Gripen system is the perfect match for the Indian Air Force as well as meeting the highest requirements for the international markets,” says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO at Saab...

Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme