Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[DrSomnath999]

FROM RAF ANNUAL REVIEW 2015

this part is interesting as RAF dont give 1st priority to CFTs

then what about LONG RANGE missions A/G loadout ????

CHEERS

 

[PARIKRAMA]

France pushes for Rafale deal, but talks still stuck
Rajat Pandit,TNN | Dec 2, 2014, 12.47 AM IST


NEW DELHI: India and France have decided to step-up bilateral cooperation in counter-terrorism and maritime security as well as hold a major aero-naval exercise in the Indian Ocean early next year, signaling their intent to further bolster their "strategic partnership".

The French jet had then gone ahead to beat the Eurofighter — backed by the UK, Germany, Spain and Italy — in January 2012 both on direct acquisition costs as well as “life-cycle costs'' of operating the fighters over a 40-year timeframe.

But what could be the biggest project between the two, the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project for 126 Rafale fighters, remains stuck in the final stretch of negotiations. The two sides, however, resolved to sort out the 'differences' in a 'fast-track' manner, sources said on Monday.

Visiting French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian held talks with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar on Monday evening on a wide spectrum of issues, ranging from France's military operations and development strategies in Mali, Sahel and Iraq to the Hollande government's keen interest in PM Narendra Modi's 'Make in India' policy.

But all eyes were firmly on the MMRCA project, with Le Drian pushing for an early inking of the gigantic fighter project. The complex MMRCA negotiations have been deadlocked for the last several months due to French major Dassault Aviation's refusal to take "full responsibility" for the 108 fighters to be manufactured in India by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), as was earlier reported by TOI.

Defence sources on Monday said the "status quo" persisted in the talks. "Dassault so far is unwilling to give the commitment for the 108 fighters as far as liquidity damages and timelines are concerned," said a source.

"Dassault, after talking to HAL, has to agree to it since it was specified in the original tender or RFP (request for proposal). It has to be fully compliant with the RFP. There is no getting away from this," he added.

The Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon had thrashed the American F/A-18 'Super Hornet' and F-16 'Super Viper', Swedish Gripen and Russian MiG-35 in the extensive field trials held by the IAF after the RFP was floated in August 2007.

The French jet had then gone ahead to beat the Eurofighter — backed by the UK, Germany, Spain and Italy — in January 2012 both on direct acquisition costs as well as "life-cycle costs'' of operating the fighters over a 40-year timeframe.

But the project, under which the first 18 jets are to be imported and the rest manufactured in India with technology transfer, is yet to be sealed. Incidentally, even though the Eurofighter is eager to fly back into contention, Indian defence procurement rules do not allow any comebacks in such a project.

India, of course, remains steadfast about its strategic partnership with France, the only major western power which did not impose sanctions after the 1998 Pokhran-2 nuclear tests. Apart from supporting India's bid for permanent membership of the UN Security Council, France is one of the biggest arms suppliers to this country.

The armed forces from the two countries also conduct regular military exercises -- the naval 'Varuna', the air 'Garuda' and the land 'Shakti' wargames. India and France will now hold a major aero-naval exercise under the Varuna series off the coast of Goa in April 2015, which is likely to see the participation of the French nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

Link
France pushes for Rafale deal, but talks still stuck - The Times of India

 

[Gabriel92]

Vente d'avions Rafale : la France et l'Inde d'accord pour finaliser le contrat

Sale of Rafale: France and India agree to finalize the contract

France will perhaps finally manage to export the Rafale combat aircraft from Dassault Aviation. On Monday, the Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian met his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar, in office since November.


They agreed, according to Reuters, to overcome their differences in order to finalize a contract, valued at $ 15 billion (€ 12 billion) for the sale of 126 Rafale.

"The two sides agreed to advance the strategic cooperation between the two countries. All subjects were discussed, including the Rafale. It was decided that any remaining disagreements would be resolved in an expedited manner, "said a spokesman for the Department of Indian Defence.

For nearly three years, the French manufacturer and India have entered into exclusive negotiations on the contract. The talks were delayed because of disagreements on the cost and work sharing.

The deal, potentially first picked for export by the Rafale since its launch in 1989, provides for the production of the first 18 aircraft in France. They would then be sent to India where 108 other planes would be assembled by the Indian public company Hindustan Aeronautics.

Eric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, explained there nearly a month Reuters that the signature of this contract by March 2015 was a "reasonable goal".

 

[Aepsilons]

@Gabriel92 , so they agreed to lower it from $20 billion to $15 billion. Not bad !

 

[mehboobkz]

NEW DELHI — India will fast-track the finalization of the US $12 billion plan to purchase 126 Dassault Rafale jets, according to a senior Indian Defense Ministry official, almost three years after India made Dassault its preferred bidder.

The news follows Monday evening talks between Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Yves Le Drian.

The Indian MoD official refused to give details on how the two sides will resolve differences holding back the finalization of the negotiations in the run up to the inking of the contract. He did say that the two defense ministers agreed that all issues that are irritants will be sorted out by the end of this year so the deal can be finalized by the end of the financial year ending March 31.

The crucial issue that needs to be solved is the insistence by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to give guarantee on the delivery schedule of the Rafales that will be license-produced at HAL. Another issue relates to bringing down the cost of Indian-made Rafales.

A second MoD official said the sides are discussing what currency will be used to purchase the 18 aircraft built by Dassault in France, and how HAL could be protected against currency fluctuations. The details are not known, but the two defense ministers agreed to accommodate each other to bring down the cost of the Indian-made aircraft.

The 2008 request for proposal for the jets stipulates that 18 aircraft will be bought in fly-by-wire condition and the remaining 108 will be built by HAL on a license-production basis.

Contract negotiations between India’s MoD, HAL and Dassault of France have been underway since 2012, after the Rafale was selected as the preferred aircraft over the Eurofighter Typhoon. However, dozens of meetings between the Indian and French sides have failed to close the deal because the French have refused to give guarantees on the delivery schedule of the aicraft that will be produced in India.

Source : Defense News
India, France Agree to Finalize Rafale Deal by Spring | Defenceradar News

 

[drunken-monke]

India and France to push ahead with Rafale jet deal
(Reuters) - The French and Indian defence ministers agreed on Monday to overcome any differences and finalise the sale of 126 fighter jets to India in a deal worth an estimated $15 billion, the Indian defence ministry said.

France's Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) has been trying to clinch a deal to sell India its Rafale jets since New Delhi chose the company over other foreign plane manufacturers in 2012. But disagreements over cost and work-sharing have slowed talks, while India's weak economy has stretched government finances.

On Monday, French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian met his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar, who was appointed defence minister last month.

"Both sides agreed to take forward the strategic co-operation between the two countries. They discussed all issues including Rafale. It was decided that whatever differences still existed would be resolved in a fast-track manner," said Indian defence ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar.

Under the deal, which would provide a major boost to French domestic defence manufacturing, the first 18 planes will be made in France and shipped to India, while the remaining 108 will be produced by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.

The final phase of exclusive negotiations on the contract should conclude within India's current budget year ending in March 2015, Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier said last month.

Rival manufacturers including the makers of the Eurofighter aircraft are hoping that the stalled Rafale deal will collapse, possibly opening the door to negotiations with a new vendor.



(Reporting by Nigam Prusty; Writing by Tommy Wilkes; Editing by Pravin Char)

India and France to push ahead with Rafale jet deal| Reuters

 

[jarves]

@Gabriel92 , so they agreed to lower it from $20 billion to $15 billion. Not bad !

No one knows the exact cost of this deal.Indian media is just speculating as usual.We will only know the costs when the deal is signed.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Finally 15 Bn $$$.... that too published in reuters
@Abingdonboy - for long you had said this figure... finally now the world knows you were always right in quoting the size of contract. Now we also know how ppl made it 20-22 Bn $$ and made a story out saying its costly

Tell me if i am wrong but 15 Bn/126 = 119 Mn $ as lifetime cost along with infrastructure creation i feel looks probably very good. ANy idea with say comparable costs of other jets

 

[ejaz007]

India, France Agree to Finalize Rafale Deal by Spring

NEW DELHI — India will fast-track the finalization of the US $12 billion plan to purchase 126 Dassault Rafale jets, according to a senior Indian Defense Ministry official, almost three years after India made Dassault its preferred bidder.

The news follows Monday evening talks between Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Yves Le Drian.

The Indian MoD official refused to give details on how the two sides will resolve differences holding back the finalization of the negotiations in the run up to the inking of the contract. He did say that the two defense ministers agreed that all issues that are irritants will be sorted out by the end of this year so the deal can be finalized by the end of the financial year ending March 31.

The crucial issue that needs to be solved is the insistence by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to give guarantee on the delivery schedule of the Rafales that will be license-produced at HAL. Another issue relates to bringing down the cost of Indian-made Rafales.

A second MoD official said the sides are discussing what currency will be used to purchase the 18 aircraft built by Dassault in France, and how HAL could be protected against currency fluctuations. The details are not known, but the two defense ministers agreed to accommodate each other to bring down the cost of the Indian-made aircraft.

The 2008 request for proposal for the jets stipulates that 18 aircraft will be bought in fly-by-wire condition and the remaining 108 will be built by HAL on a license-production basis.

Contract negotiations between India’s MoD, HAL and Dassault of France have been underway since 2012, after the Rafale was selected as the preferred aircraft over the Eurofighter Typhoon. However, dozens of meetings between the Indian and French sides have failed to close the deal because the French have refused to give guarantees on the delivery schedule of the aicraft that will be produced in India. ■

Email: vraghuvanshi@defensenews.com.

India, France Agree to Finalize Rafale Deal by Spring | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[anant_s]

@Gabriel92 , so they agreed to lower it from $20 billion to $15 billion. Not bad !

Don't go by media speculation on the prices. Almost everyday some new report appears, indicating a brand new value. I've seen variations as wide as 15 to 30 Billion USD. As of now IAF hasn't indicated what configuration and weapon system it is negotiating with France and hence all these reports are speculations at best.
What we know for sure is that while price remains an important issue in negotiations, it is not the thing actually holding back the progress.

 

[mehboobkz]

 

[sathya]

why there is a conflicting reports ?

indian side saying the deal is still stuck & french look happy ?

whats happening ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Gabriel92 , so they agreed to lower it from $20 billion to $15 billion. Not bad !

Sir, that is not what happened, merely the Indian media are now reporting the CORRECT figure, the deal was NEVER $20BN, this is pure nonsense invented by the Indian media.

Finally 15 Bn $$$.... that too published in reuters
@Abingdonboy - for long you had said this figure... finally now the world knows you were always right in quoting the size of contract. Now we also know how ppl made it 20-22 Bn $$ and made a story out saying its costly

Tell me if i am wrong but 15 Bn/126 = 119 Mn $ as lifetime cost along with infrastructure creation i feel looks probably very good. ANy idea with say comparable costs of other jets

Well, what can I say? This is what happens if you stick to the facts (the $15-16BN figure was explicitly mentioned a few months back by Jaitley) and don't mindlessly regurgitate blatant lies.

Sadly too many media outlets have been reporting the figure of $20+ BN for a long time now and this has become the accepted narrative.

Pathetic.

Don't go by media speculation on the prices. Almost everyday some new report appears, indicating a brand new value. I've seen variations as wide as 15 to 30 Billion USD. As of now IAF hasn't indicated what configuration and weapon system it is negotiating with France and hence all these reports are speculations at best.
What we know for sure is that while price remains an important issue in negotiations, it is not the thing actually holding back the progress.

The $15-16BN figure is the only one you can trust as this is what Jaitley was told and the figure he was pleased with. Any figure above this is 100% BS.

I dare say some losing bidders had something to do with the spread of these inflated figures.

why there is a conflicting reports ?

indian side saying the deal is still stuck & french look happy ?

whats happening ?

Indian media bro, they engage in disinformation in almost every report and the pathetic part is they are so ignorant they don't even realise they are doing it!

 

[thesolar65]

Anyway, Are we going to get good news before New Year??

 

[Abingdonboy]

Anyway, Are we going to get good news before New Year??

Looks like they are working to get this deal sealed by the end of the current finical year.