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[SQ8]

Not bad Oscar but I think the IAF is more than likely going to go for the standard low-vis grey it has on all it's other combat a/c. This is the trend these days- in the modern age where you have LGBs and standoff weapons the need for such camo for combat a/c is much less and practically non-existent.

Agreed.. i was thinking more along the lines of a commemorative flight.
BTW.. what types do these IAF squadrons fly today?(101 and 222 sq)

 

[nomi007]

which 1 will be the indian model
rafale

Rafale A
Technology demonstrator, first flying in 1986.
Rafale D
Dassault used this designation (D for "discret") in the early 1990s to emphasise the new semi-stealthy design features.
Rafale B
Two-seater version for the Armée de l'Air.
Rafale C
Single-seat version for the Armée de l'Air.

Rafale M
Carrier-borne version for the Aéronavale, which entered service in 2002. The Rafale M weighs about 500 kg (1,100 lb) more than the Rafale C. For carrier operations, the M model has a strengthened airframe, longer nose gear leg to provide a more nose-up attitude, larger tailhook between the engines, and a built-in boarding ladder.

Rafale N
Originally called the Rafale BM, was a planned two-seater version for the Aéronavale. Budget constraints and training costs have been cited as grounds for its cancellation.

Rafale R
Proposed reconnaissance-orientated variant, unbuilt

 

[sancho]

seems our Air Chief Marshal is meeting with almost everyone who has anything remote to do with aviation industry of france

At least anybody related to the Rafale and especially that he wants a first hand view of the fighter is interesting, seems he have no doubt on the selection at anymore. Hope we get some pics of his flights and some reports on his views on it.

Not that it really belongs here..
But I remembered this really smart scheme on IAF Su-7's.. and thought something similar would look grand on the Rafale.

I would prefer one of these:

which 1 will be the indian model
rafale

B and C of course.

 

[SQ8]

I would prefer one of these:

Gimme a day.

 

[Abingdonboy]

which 1 will be the indian model
rafale

Rafale A
Technology demonstrator, first flying in 1986.
Rafale D
Dassault used this designation (D for "discret") in the early 1990s to emphasise the new semi-stealthy design features.
Rafale B
Two-seater version for the Armée de l'Air.
Rafale C
Single-seat version for the Armée de l'Air.

Rafale M
Carrier-borne version for the Aéronavale, which entered service in 2002. The Rafale M weighs about 500 kg (1,100 lb) more than the Rafale C. For carrier operations, the M model has a strengthened airframe, longer nose gear leg to provide a more nose-up attitude, larger tailhook between the engines, and a built-in boarding ladder.

Rafale N
Originally called the Rafale BM, was a planned two-seater version for the Aéronavale. Budget constraints and training costs have been cited as grounds for its cancellation.

Rafale R
Proposed reconnaissance-orientated variant, unbuilt

C and B of course. IN may later get the M but that is a separate project.

Agreed.. i was thinking more along the lines of a commemorative flight.
BTW.. what types do these IAF squadrons fly today?(101 and 222 sq)

AFAIK the 101 SQD operates the MiG-21 "Bison" and the 222 the MiG-27. Both retaining their ground attack roles. In future maybe they will get the Rafale.

The first high level visit from India after a new government came to power in France, Air Chief Marshal Browne is scheduled to meet France's new defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Édouard Guillaud, Director-General of the French Defence Technology and Procurement Agency (DGA) Laurent Collet-Billon and Chief of Staff of the French Air Force General Jean-Paul Paloméros. He will also visit the air bases at Istres and Cognac. While in France, he will also meet members of the Mirage 2000 upgrade project management team.

Livefist: IAF Chief Scopes Out Rafale Facilities In France

Striking whilst the Iron's hot- nice. Of course this visit was planned well in advance and had nothing to do with elections (unless IAF are more crafty then we gave them credit for) but it is good that the IAF delegation is visiting so soon after the new government came into power.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Anyone aware whether the IAF intends to use the LITENING (which is used by all other IAF fighters) or Damocles targeting pod for the Rafale?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Brasilia - The bilateral meeting between Brazil and India, Hyderabad House, the Indian government informed the President that Rousseff if she opts for the purchase of Rafale fighters, similar to what India did, the Indians are interested in establishing a technology partner with Brazilians to set up a joint project of technology transfer. According to the offer, the Indian government's willingness to transfer the information they receive in relation to the Rafale, and the three countries - Brazil, India and France (the airplane manufacturer) could then work together in a partnership project technology.

The call was made at the time that India had several offers of cooperation with Brazil, in different sectors, for an Indian ministers, who attended the meeting expanded. The President Dilma, however, gave no answer to the Indians, or weave any more detailed comment on the subject. "Not fit her comment. The offer was made at the time that India had proposed a partnership in various areas and this would just be one of them," said a member of the Brazilian delegation that was present at the meeting. "They offered cooperation and Brazil will still look at it," confirmed another party of the president.

Brazil does not want to discuss the subject purchase of 36 fighters for the Brazilian Air Force before the month of May. Similar offer the Indian government had already done to the defense minister, Celso Amorim, during a visit he made to India in February.

The President Rousseff, leaving a meeting with businessmen in the afternoon of Friday, asked by reporters if he had discussed the purchase of Rafale to India, chose to remain silent.

Indianos propõem parceria caso Dilma opte por Rafale - Brasil - Notícia - VEJA.com

 

[Big Boss]

IAF chief leaves for four-day visit to France

NEW DELHI: Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne is on a four-day visit to France where he will visit the squadron of Rafale fighter jets, selected by India for its multi-billion 126-aircraft deal.

The IAF chief will also meet members of Indian team there for the Mirage 2000 aircraft upgrade programme, IAF officials said here.

"During the visit, he is scheduled to call on the new French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, French Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud and his French counterpart General Jean-Paul Palomeros to discuss the ongoing defence cooperation between them," they said.

Officials said the visit aims at expanding the already robust bilateral military to military ties between the two countries and would see the IAF Chief visit, Cognac, Istres and St.Dizier airbases of the French Air Force (FAF).

"At St.Dizier, he would be visiting the Rafale Squadron to get a first hand impression of the MMRCA, selected by the IAF, as also to see Rafale's production facilities at Merignac," they said.

Besides overseeing the progress of the various projects being carried forward as joint ventures between the two countries, ACM Browne would also be interacting with the IAF's Project Management Team members for the Mirage- 2000 Upgrade Project.

India had taken a decision early this year to select Rafale as the lowest bidder for the multi-billion dollar deal and has been holding contract negotiations with French company Dassault Avitaion in this regard.

Air Chief N A K Browne in France, to visit Rafale Squadron - The Economic Times

Air Chief N A K Browne in France, to visit Rafale Squadron

NEW DELHI: Even as India conducts final negotiations to seal its largest-ever defence deal, the almost $20 billion MMRCA project to acquire 126 Rafale fighters, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne left for a four-day visit to France on Monday.

The French Rafale jet outclassed five American, Russian and Swedish fighters in exhaustive technical and commercial evaluation to make it to the last lap of India's gigantic medium multi-role combat aircraft programme.

Moreover, the mid-life avionics and weapons upgrade of IAF's 51 Mirage-2000 fighters is also in progress with the help of French companies in a project that will eventually cost over Rs 15,000 crore.

During the visit, which comes when these critical projects are underway to boost his force's depleting combat edge, ACM Browne will hold talks with new French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, chief of defence staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud, Defence Technology and Procurement Agency (DGA) director-general Laurent Collet-Billon and air chief General Jean-Paul Palomeros, among others.

The visit, which aims to expand the already robust military ties between the two countries, will see the IAF chief also visit Cognac, Istres and St Dizier airbases of the French Air Force.

He will visit the Rafale squadron at St Dizier to get a first-hand impression of the jet selected by the IAF in the MMRCA sweepstakes, as also the fighter's production facilities at Merignac.

During this first high-level official visit from India to France after the new government has taken office in Paris, ACM Browne will also interact with IAF's project management team members for the Mirage-2000 upgrade project.


IAF chief leaves for four-day visit to France - The Times of India
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[DrSomnath999]

He will visit the Rafale squadron at St Dizier to get a first-hand impression of the jet selected by the IAF in the MMRCA sweepstakes, as also the fighter's production facilities at Merignac.

LLLOLLLZ
even IAF chief has become RAFFY's Fanboy & even he cant wait to see this baby in IAF
Ha..haa

 

[sancho]

Anyone aware whether the IAF intends to use the LITENING (which is used by all other IAF fighters) or Damocles targeting pod for the Rafale?

Both are on offer, it might depend on what's more cost-effective for IAF, integrating the Litening pod and sharing it with other fighters, or simply ordering Damocles without integration costs. The Mirage upgrade will tell us something about this, if Damocles will be procured then for Rafale as well.

 

[Shatterpoint]

Welcome to France, what else can we sell you? We have some high tech gear you could use.

 

[Impasse]

Welcome to France, what else can we sell you? We have some high tech gear you could use.

Thank you! In time, we will be interested in those.

 

[sancho]

Welcome to France, what else can we sell you? We have some high tech gear you could use.

- Dassault Rafale x 126+
- Eurocopter Fennec x 197 (to 250 incl. IN and ICG requirements)
- EADS CASA C295 x 50+ (under consideration of IAF, IN, ICG, BSF)
- Airbus 330 MRTT x 6+ (won the first tender and obviously the front runner now as well)
- DCNS Mistral class LHD x 4
- Dassault Falcon MPA x 9 (in the same competition as C295MPA)

Just a fast list up of possible follow deals with French participation.

 

[Shatterpoint]

Could we interest you in anything else? How about some R&D joint investments?

 

[sancho]

Could we interest you in anything else? How about some R&D joint investments?

That's dependent on France mainly, because French government mainly will have new co-developments with European countries. India can benefit (so far) only from industrial JV like the Thales / Samtel JV, or for Kaveri and Shakti engine with Snecma, or for LCAs AESA radar with Thales.