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[sancho]

MMRCA is the life line of Rafale.

Brazil, UAE ..all are just waiting to check the Indian winner.

Not really, because Brazil has simply no money to buy Rafale now, which doesn't change no matter if India buys it or not. Similarly, the UAE don't care about India, because their aims are on getting the most benefits out of France and Dassault, since they don't need to buy a new fighter now.
They have other aims than India has and that's why these competitions are not related with the procurment policies of the countries. The air forces instead will be interested, because the UAE would pay for further upgrades and Brazil or India might integtrate certain indigenous weapons.

I agree with him. How many fighter does France need?? 100? 200? This is not a good number for a fighter to continue. The prices will be higher coz of small production.

286 of which 180 are already ordered and it was just recently confirmed that France will continue to order it and the production line is secured beyond 2020. France unlike some of the EF countries don't have another fighter on option and wants to replace all older fighters with Rafale, that's why further orders are logical. Btw, they pay less per Rafale than the EF partners pay for EF.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You mean production lines closed even for France.

I meant for the export market. So far, not a single export customer got it.

@Sancho: The UAE have already stated that the Rafale deal is no longer workable. Instead, they are more interested in the Typhoon.
Double Trouble For Rafale in UAE

Might want to go through the discussions here relating to the Middle East arms market:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ir-force-now-future-complete-analysis-17.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...-uaes-lead-over-purchase-rafale-fighters.html

The Rafale is just too damn expensive for its class due to limited production and lack of marketing to attract customers.

 

[Safriz]

The deal is like FICTIONAL $20 billion. Just to put in perspective how FICTIONAL big that no. is, its 4 times Pakistan's annual defense budget, as big as Pakistan's total REAL federal budget for the year 2011. You might wanna think again! AS IAM COMPARING A FICTIONAL MMRCA WITH A REAL PAKISTANI BUDGET

Here here ..i corrected your comment

You forgot to add the word "Fictional"

 

[rockstarIN]

286 of which 180 are already ordered and it was just recently confirmed that France will continue to order it and the production line is secured beyond 2020. France unlike some of the EF countries don't have another fighter on option and wants to replace all older fighters with Rafale, that's why further orders are logical. Btw, they pay less per Rafale than the EF partners pay for EF.

France may be regretting to withdrew from the consortium fin 80's. Anyways joint production and research is the only way to go forward. Be it EF, F-35 or PAK FA.

If FAF is getting Rafales in less prices, who are gonna pay for the development costs? French Govt.

IS this the reason why Dessault is charging others high development cost?

 

[SQ8]

The ones who are actually enjoying the drama are the UAE Shiekhs..Now they will have the upper hand over a miserable dassault and a desperate french gov.

 

[Abingdonboy]

dessault will now be crying that why nt we decreased the price for PAF.

i heard that PAF was alot interested in Rafale back in 2007.bt due expanse of rafale pak chose j-10B

Rafale will die widow

as UAE is now too after EF

Please, the kind of discount Pakistan would need to afford this plane wouldn't even cover the price of the engines. Not to mention the tiny numbers PAF would order would make it uneconomical for Dassualt to even bother.


Keep dreaming though.

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Here here ..i corrected your comment

You forgot to add the word "Fictional"

I think you have to look up what "fictional" means as this deal is very much a REALITY.

 

[GURU DUTT]

here im realing yet another snake(rumour in power corridoar's of MOD) whatever the press says but the hard fact is that india will go for Rafale with ASEA & at laterstages kaveri-scema engine, now what?????

 

[sathya]

in the current scenario, if price diff not much, then whichever aircraft wins will become cheaper after that.

on future orders, india will gain more from eft than rafale..

 

[R-DB]

-->Do india is in hurry to purchase fighters??no
-->Do india needs political benifits??yes
-->Can india adjust 1 or 2 yrs delay on first squad of mmrca??yes..(since we dont need urgently)
-->Do india need local industry to gain from mmrca??yes..
-->MMRCA is for china,so air dominance is necessary.

these all factors favor eft. and think for a while,for upgrading mirages we paid more than enough.can we afford same for rafale after 10 yrs or more..no.....

 

[Secur]

The deal is like $20 billion. Just to put in perspective how big that no. is, its 4 times Pakistan's annual defense budget, as big as Pakistan's total federal budget for the year 2011. You might wanna think again!

And of a country that is 5 times bigger than us ? ... What makes you so proud then ? Shall we start a comparison of India and China here ? ... May be helpful to show you your true face ...

 

[R-DB]

And of a country that is 5 times bigger than us ? ... What makes you so proud then ? Shall we start a comparison of India and China here ? ... May be helpful to show you your true face ...

you are free to bring any country

 

[Secur]

you are free to bring any country

Moral of my post : " Take Cheap shots " and Get some in turn !

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

And of a country that is 5 times bigger than us ? ... What makes you so proud then ? Shall we start a comparison of India and China here ? ... May be helpful to show you your true face ...

You are failing to get his point.
He was referring to the magnitude of the deal which is too huge to be neglected.
Remember that the German chancellor even wrote a letter to Dr.Manmohan Singh regarding this and Mr.Sarkozy pitched in for the Rafale and the Mirage-UPG in the televised interview when he was here.

 

[Secur]

You are failing to get his point.
He was referring to the magnitude of the deal which is too huge to be neglected.
Remember that the German chancellor even wrote a letter to Dr.Manmohan Singh regarding this and Mr.Sarkozy pitched in for the Rafale and the Mirage-UPG in the televised interview when he was here.

Obviously , they need the money "desperately" for Rafale but still it could be said without unnecessarily bringing Pakistan ...

 

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Remember he is the one who broke the story of EF and Rafale being shortlisted before anyone else and months before the official announcement.


Keep track of him....