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Oh s h i t, you got to know their weakness also:lol:.

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but ef consortium is not ready to sell to you.

Pak never asked for ef... though rafael was offered to us in mid 2000s. but due to massive earth quake in azad kashmir we had to divert the funds..

Second i said tht if i were to choose between the 2 jets...id choose between the 2 jets.
 
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Pak never asked for ef... though rafael was offered to us in mid 2000s. but due to massive earth quake in azad kashmir we had to divert the funds..

Second i said tht if i were to choose between the 2 jets...id choose between the 2 jets.
so u diverted $billions for earth quake . Come on man .
 
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Well its unlikely to have a very narrow gap between the prices of both fighter jets. Hence we can expect the fast track deal (if possible). But the question still remains unclear that, what would be gap between price tag of both fighter, and what would be the range of gap for taking the fast decision.

Well my guess is that Eurofighter will be atleast 20 Million USD per aircraft more expensive than Rafale
Infact Rafale will cost 14 Billion USD for 126 aircrafts while EF could cost atleast 16.5 Billion USD

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haha Im sure did u check it...:rofl:


another failed trolling attempt.

@ topic.. id go for ef.

Yeah
Zardari told this to Condileesa Rice
 
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Once Indian respresentive at Italy stated that EF is leading in technical parameters.

Exactly...

By Valentina Rusconi

ROME, Jan 22 (Reuters) - The Eurofighter Typhoon is "leading the race" to win a contract from the Indian government for 126 fighter jets, valued at around $10.4 billion, India's ambassador to Italy said on Friday.

"We have shortlisted four to five countries, then the trial process and evaluation will follow. Eurofighter is one of them, in which Italy is involved, and it's leading the race," ambassador Arif Shahid Khan told Reuters after a meeting with a senior aid to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi...

UPDATE 1-Eurofighter leading race for India deal- ambassador | Reuters


So according ITALIAN media report from JAN 2010, the Indian ambassador in ITALY said EF is leading, during a meeting with the ITALIAN PM.
Buddy, please don't tell me you took that obvious PR report seriously. :rolleyes:

A) No Indian media report, nor any Indian official of MoD or IAF ever confirmed this and Italy as we know is an EF partner country
B) The EF arrived in India to do the trials, one month after this report appeared
C) An ambassador in Italy which is not related to the competition, has no idea who is leading the competition


It might be true that EF is good in technical specifications than Rafale during the trails.

The EF is not a bad fighter and it has a lot of potential, but mainly on paper and not in reality! The EFs which were fielded in the trials in India had no IRST, limited EWS and no A2G capability at all. So IAF was able to get an idea of the good flight performance and how it performs loaded with full missile load + fuel tanks maybe, but that's it. Not to forget that the EF was the only fighter that wasn't able to show at least a real prototype version of the AESA radar during test flights, if at all they showed the older CESAR demonstrator, which has no swashplate design. The weapon trials were definitelly only about 1000lb LGBs, possibly IAF officials were also able to see some of the testings to certify the 500lb Paveway IV LGBs, which again is nothing impressive at all.
Compared to what Rafale was or the US fighters were able to demonstrate in India itself, this was nothing and that's why I said, the EF (as a fighter) can only score with possible future capabilities (in case they are funded), but mainly with side advantages like ToT, industrial and political benefits mabye.
 
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@ sancho

Infact Italy was pissed off with rafale.

At 5:45 p.m. on March 19, three hours before the official start of the air campaign over Libya, four French Rafale jet fighters streaked across the Mediterranean coastline to attack a column of tanks heading toward the rebel city of Benghazi. The jets quickly obliterated their targets -- and in doing so nearly upended the international alliance coming to Benghazi's rescue.
France's head start on the air war infuriated Italy's prime minister, who accused Paris of upstaging NATO. Silvio Berlusconi warned darkly of cutting access to Italian air bases vital to the alliance's warplanes.

Clinton praised for Libya mission's success - CBS News
 
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@ sancho

Infact Italy was pissed off with rafale.



Clinton praised for Libya mission's success - CBS News

Hehe, not surprising, first of all, their current PM is nuts! Secondly, Italy always wants to be a major player in Europe especialy on the political side, but they aren't, that's why they envy countries like France, UK and even Germany and why they are even against Germany beeing a permanent UNC member. But if you followed the things here at the moment regarding the EURO crisis, you might have seen who is really leading Europe/the EURO countries, it's Germany, France and the UK.
 
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...In contrast, the UK Air Force deployed the Typhoon in a supporting role to its older generation aircraft, the Tornado. In a briefing about the Libyan operations, the UK's Commander of Joint Operations (CJO), Air Marshal Sir Stuart Peach last week explained that the “complimentary way” in which the Typhoons worked alongside the Tornados, using their targeting pods to create additional intelligence and reconnaissance, “was very important”. The Tornados carried British-designed and British-built Brimstone missiles, which proved to be a world class weapon system, the Air Marshal was quoted as saying in a U.K MoD release. The Brimstone missile have been offered to India as part of the MMRCA weapons package.

In separate briefings, U.K. officials have been quoted as saying that the Typhoon flew 600 combat missions but surprisingly details of its offensive role in terms of enemy targets engaged have not been forthcoming. A briefing was given to top Indian Air Force officials last month about the weapons used by the Eurofighter Tornado and Typhoon. Reports of the briefing tell that MBDA Brimstone air-to-surface missiles were launched from RAF's Tornado GR4 fighters. In addition Storm Shadow missiles were fired from Tornado GR4s to destroy radar stations and anti-aircraft batteries. There has been no mention of what weapons the Typhoon carried.

A Dassault executive who did not wish to be identified said that the Eurofighter Typhoon which is clearly not meant for a multi-mission role played at best a supporting role in the Libyan operations.

Confirms exactly what I said, when we have to rank the French and British fighters according their performance and importance during the Libyan conflict, it would be like this:

1. Rafale - Trully multi role capable, no matter if A2A, A2G, from land bases or carriers, with active air defences or without, recon or tanker roles, it simply did anything the French forces wants it to do!

2. Tornado - Some say it's old and a gen behind the EF, but it showed that all the generation talk is BS when it comes to actual operational service in war times. Then the true capability of a fighter counts and the Tornado is still more than capable in strike or recon roles, which is why it was the real prime fighter of the RAF in Libya!

3. Mirage 2000 - Deployed by the French in different versions and altough it's an older fighter as well, it showed that it is still very effective, no matter if it is A2A (Mirage 2000-5 ) CAS with LGBs, deep strikes with Scalp cruise missiles, or even heavy attacks on comand posts with 2000lb bunker busters.

4. EF - Showed up late, were deployed mainly in A2A roles and with it's very limited multi role capabilities, it was only able to assist the Tornados in the strike role. They offered situational awareness with the better avionc systems of the EF and with 1000lb LGBs an alternative weapon, incase big targets were available. The targeting pod was more of limited use, for damage assessment, but we also heared that EF pilots in their single seat fighters let the Tornado WSOs often take over the laser guidance, to share the workload.


When you compare this with current IAF fleet, the MKI would be like the Rafale the most capable multi role fighter, followed by the Mirage 2000s, which would be comparable to the Tornados in Libya. The Mig 29s and 27s would do similar roles like the French Mirage 2000-5s and -Ds did, the Mig 29s escorting the 27s in the strike role. Which leaves the Jaguars which was used in assisting the Mirage 2000s during the Kargil war, similar to the EF assisting the Tornados in Libya.

That is the current situation of the EF, which is sad because it has a lot of potential too, but it's developing countries simply don't have the money, nor the interest to make it more capable and that's why they are so desperate to get us as a partner. For Indian industry and MoD/GoI this could be an interesting chance to get many benefits, for IAF on the other hand, it would mean to compromise for the next 6 to 7 years with a less capable, but highly costly (per unit, to operate and to upgrade) fighter, which is only useful in A2A roles.
So MoD/GoI will have to decide what is more important in MMRCA, the needs of our industry/politics, or the needs of our forces? The EF offers only advantages for 1 side, Rafale offers advantages for all sides, but "possibly" less industrial/political benefits than EADS/BAE or UK/GER can offer together and that's what will be negotiated after the comercial bids are opened!
 
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India to Open Bids Friday for 126 Fighter Jets - The Wall Street Journal

NEW DELHI—India will open financial bids Friday of France's Dassault Aviation SA and European consortium Eurofighter GmbH for an estimated $10 billion contract to supply 126 fighter jets, a senior official in the country's defense ministry said Thursday.

"Our aim will be to select the vendor in the next three weeks," said the official, who declined to be named.

In late April, India short-listed Dassault and Eurofighter for the contract, considered the biggest such deal globally in the past 15 years.

Dassault offered the Rafale fighter jet to India for the contract, while Eurofighter offered the Typhoon jet, produced by a consortium of the U.K.'s BAE Systems PLC, Italy's Finmeccanica SpA and European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co.

Four other companies—U.S.-based Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp., as well Russia's United Aircraft Corp. and Sweden's Saab AB—were previously also in the race for the contract.

India to Open Bids Friday for 126 Fighter Jets - WSJ.com
 
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and the drama goes on....India is so craving to remain in the lime light for as long as possible that they are delaying their defense needs .. iam bored of these MMRCA or whatever threads.....There should be one cumulative dedicated thread for this instead of a bi-weekly news that india will finally award the contract to somebody next week,and that "Next week" has yet to come.
 
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and the drama goes on....India is so craving to remain in the lime light for as long as possible that they are delaying their defense needs .. iam bored of these MMRCA or whatever threads.....There should be one cumulative dedicated thread for this instead of a bi-weekly news that india will finally award the contract to somebody next week,and that "Next week" has yet to come.

right.....i m sick too...:hitwall:
 
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I agree with you with number threads but whats this joke about India doing this just to remain in spotlight...
 
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