Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[jha]

Conformal Fuel Tanks,Stealthy Weapons pod,An infrared search and track sensor and missile and laser warning system are among the upgrade options on offer.Uprated engines and large area cockpit are also part of growth road map

 

[Hulk]

I think we should go for Super Hornets. Let's not get over bothered about sanctions.

 

[GORKHALI]

@ rabbit - and what about EUMA ,CISMOA ETC ETC ?? You know without signing this ,they gonna strip down many sensors ,communication links etc etc after that am sure even F/18 Hornet will be better.. Better they change the rules for india or there are many like eurofighter and rafale..

 

[GORKHALI]

dont forget to drop your thankz

 

[SpArK]

"On the business side, Commerce Secretary Locke will travel to India in February to attend Aero India, the biannual Indian aerial fair that has grown in importance as India itself has grown.

"India will soon announce the winners of a tender worth up to $12 billion to supply 126 medium multi-range combat aircraft - a competition in which both Boeing and Lockheed Martin have entered their jets," Blake said in his remarks.

Hillary Clinton to visit India in coming months for strategic dialogue - World - DNA

 

[jha]

For RAFALE Lovers..

 

[drunken-monke]

Euro-fighter is the best choice considering the Indian requirements. BUT having said that, I would say its not the abilities of fighter plane alone but Geo-Politics is going to play a big role and probably the predominant role in the case of MMRCA which has been reason for India to wait and let contending players add more and more weight to their deal.

Yes you said correctly that geopolitical reasons would govern the deal majorly and its wont be totaly based on technical grounds..
Now the problem with Mig 35- Its engine failed to start at high altitude trials. Its dilivery cant be scheduled before 2014. Though it offers R 77 of 175 km capacity and AESA radar, its base is old one (Mig 29).

Problems with Eurofighter- High cost, Dont have AESA radar, Weapons system is not that much developed campared to Rafel. Not war proven, delivery would be delayed since few other countries are in line.. But said that it would also give some advantages such as indirect partnership with EU and future weapons, geopolitical reasons.

Poblems associated with F 16 IN- Platform is quite old (though war proven). Pakistan knows its capabilities very well since past 30 yrs.. US would stop manufacturing for itself. Incase of sanctions unvailability of spares would hamper and also complete Tech transfer would not be possible or upto what level and end user monitoring clause by US..Advantages offcource AESA radar, advanced weapons, geopolitical reasons..

F18 SH- Costly, and same as that of f16IN. Also its a moreover naval fighter plane...so have to think about it. But in ma opinion it would be deffinately a strong contender....

Rafel- Strongest contender..only problem is cost and they wont gonna offer SPECTRA EW suit...

Gripen- Wont gonna make justice with LCA tejas.. though have a advantage of very much cheapness...

Lets see which one wins the contest

With regards
Drunken Monke
Shrikant Parwate (Aurangabad India)

 

[drunken-monke]

dont forget to drop your thankz

hey nice data of weapon system
thanks

 

[drunken-monke]

For RAFALE Lovers..

that shows the multiple role of a fighter jet. IMO it is the strongest contender.. even better than EF.. Very few know that typhoon lost to rafel in practice exercises.. and only one who beat this bird is F 22 in their friendly encounter..

 

[angeldemon_007]

IMO it is the strongest contender.. even better than EF.. Very few know that typhoon lost to rafel in practice exercises..

Yeah i am sure very few people knows about this..... Ad you are one of them...

But you might be right...Rafale is no doubt a very lethal weapon.

Can anyone share the capability of Rafale's Aesa ??

 

[SpArK]

Yeah i am sure very few people knows about this..... Ad you are one of them...

But you might be right...Rafale is no doubt a very lethal weapon.

Can anyone share the capability of Rafale's Aesa ??

AESA for the RAFALE

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-54927/page29.aspx

 

[rockstarIN]

Deadline Emerges For India's $10B Warplane Deal

EW DELHI - India could award the $10 billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract by the end of the year, according to the country's defense minister.

M.M. Pallam Raju, the minister of state for defense, said on the sidelines of a Jan. 19 conference here that the warplane contest could be decided by December. The conference was hosted by an industrial lobby group, the Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India.
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"I am hopeful of awarding it by the end of this year," Raju said.

The MMRCA program, for the purchase of 126 planes, is running behind schedule, The Indian Defence Ministry has made no formal announcement on the short-listing of aircraft after flight trials last year.

Raju said the ministry still has to carry out a comparative analysis of different vendors in terms of offset and transfer of technology offers before the financial bids are opened.

Earlier this month, a secret file pertaining to the MMRCA's offset program was lost and later recovered by Delhi police. An internal inquiry by the Defence Ministry has so far not named any individual behind the lapse, sources said.

Six aircraft vying for the MMRCA contract went through field evaluations, a series of flight trials and ground tests, in mid-2010. They include two U.S. fighter jets, Boeing's F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin's F-16, as well as the Rafale, built by France's Dassault; the MiG-35, built by RAC MiG of Russia; the Eurofighter Typhoon; and the Gripen, built by Saab of Sweden.

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Deadline Emerges For India's $10B Warplane Deal - Defense News

It suppose to decide in March 2011, again going to get delayed?

 

[SpArK]

BAE Systems' Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS)​

20 January 2011
BAE Systems is rolling out its helmet mounted symbology system (HMSS) to pilots of the Eurofighter Typhoon. It displays critical information in front of the pilot's eyes, enabling them to 'see through' the body of the aircraft and designate targets just by looking at them, even behind or beneath the aircraft.

Strategic Defence Intelligence talked to Richard Taylor, programme manager for HMSS.

The requirement for a symbology display helmet with 'look at shoot' capability has been a prerequisite for the Typhoon since the beginning of the programme. After years of development and flight trials, the HMSS is now being rolled out to UK Royal Air Force (RAF) pilots, with other Eurofighter partner nations to follow.

The helmet was originally based on a similar product developed for helicopter pilots, but has been extensively modified for the Typhoon environment. A pilot wearing the helmet sees a reflected image on the visor, displaying a symbology of objects picked up by the aircraft's sensors.

"Symbology is a standard representation of real-world objects," explains Taylor. "It displays what you might see in a regular heads up display; triangles to represent enemy aircraft, for example. If you're landing, you'll know by the cueing in the helmet what aircraft are around in your area, reducing pilot workload. "

Voice control

It also interacts with a voice control system, enabling the pilot to designate an enemy aircraft or missile as a target by looking at it, and then fire at it by speaking a command.

"If the target is outside the field of vision, such as below the aircraft or to one side of it, it will also cue the pilot to look over that way," says Taylor. "Once they track it, the system will keep tracking it, so they can engage targets over their shoulder by looking at them, designating them and then pointing the aircraft towards it. It makes targeting a lot simpler for the pilot — Top Gun would have been a very dull film if Tom Cruise's character had had an HMSS!”

The pilot's head movements are captured by fixed sensors fitted around the cockpit, which detect LEDs on the back of the helmet that act as optical trackers. The avionics system interprets where the pilot’s head is by the LEDs it can see, triangulating the head position so it knows where the pilot is looking.

Avionics capability

Taylor says that the biggest challenge was integrating an avionics capability into a crash helmet. "The helmet not only has to have the symbology display technology in it, it also has to protect the pilot in the event of an ejection," he says. "It also has to be light so that when the pilot is pulling G [experiencing G-force] it doesn't damage their neck, and the weight has to be balanced so that it doesn't skew to one side and the pilot feels comfortable wearing it for a long time.

"It also proved challenging to get all of the display technology to work in such a compact space with a curved surface, while ensuring the pilot is comfortable and does not experience eye strain. This, combined with the fact that the electronics have to be ruggedised and qualified to Eurofighter specifications, means that few components used in the HMSS are off-the-shelf.

"The components have to withstand vibrations and ejecting at high speed, as well as impact, dust and sand," says Taylor. "The helmet is qualified to the normal standards for the cockpit, but also must take into account the fact that it is sat on someone's head and has to provide protection as well."

As the system is designed to be worn for long periods at a time, each pilot is individually fitted for their own helmet like a tailor-made suit for comfort and usability. BAE Systems are also delivering training for HMSS aircrew and maintenance personnel.

International roll-out

The next stage for HMSS will be to roll it out to the air forces of other Eurofighter partner countries.

"Getting the HMSS into service was a combination of the efforts of a lot of people and I am very keen to introduce this to other air forces now," says Taylor. "The Germans, Italians and Spanish will start using it soon, and getting it rolled out and receiving helpful feedback from the pilots can only be a good thing."

The feedback will influence any future developments and enhancements for the HMSS.

"The feedback we have had to date has been based around the fact that the basic capability is excellent," says Taylor. "Any changes are likely to centre on the display. It's about making best use of the display capability we have, much like buying a DVD player and deciding what film to watch."

BAE Systems' Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS) - Air Force Technology

 

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