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F 18 sh is better deal if come with TOT and no restriction...
European Union has offered India a full partnership in the further developement of EFT future models and has also offered the full Tech transfer along with the AESA technology and same goes for Rafale as they too are kneen in doing so and showed much interest....
french are giving us full tot and source codes
see for yourself in wikipedia
Actually, India will not be an equal member in the consortium. Also, the French haven't specified what they mean by going "beyond a buyer-seller relationship". Both the French and EADS cannot give us "full" or "100%" ToT. Some of the components used in the Rafale and Typhoon are of U.S. origin and those components will need clearance from the U.S. government before ToT. EADS and French can only offer us ToT for their components. Of course, the number of U.S. components used is very low compared to other contenders like the Gripen (and obviously F-18 and F-16 which are 100% U.S.) and it is a definite advantage. The only fighter in the competition which does not use any U.S. components is the MiG-35, so the Russians can offer us full ToT.
P.S. I agree with Redpearl that the Rafale appears to be the best option for the IAF, but it will come with it's own set of problems.
France has even asked UAE to pay the expenses of future upgrades..
That is not a good sign of a good manufacturer.
Rafale pro-gramme will be in serious danger in future too if India does nt join and French will milk out each penny.
UAE May Ditch Rafale - Defense News
Commercial is better than political(read US).French is always greedy. Very commercial..!!
France has even asked UAE to pay the expenses of future upgrades..
That is not a good sign of a good manufacturer.
Rafale pro-gramme will be in serious danger in future too if India does nt join and French will milk out each penny.
UAE May Ditch Rafale - Defense News
The Americans have a trump card in the form of political gains. Moreover, the F-18SH is a fully developed mature fighter and is likely to be priced lower than the Rafale. So now with the future of their fighter in jeopardy, I expect the French to bring up new offers to make the Rafale deal look more attractive. They may even stop being so pricy.
feel the power)All the MMRCA fighter's future propects depends upon Indian Decision..
Both the French and EADS cannot give us "full" or "100%" ToT. Some of the components used in the Rafale and Typhoon are of U.S. origin and those components will need clearance from the U.S. government before ToT. EADS and French can only offer us ToT for their components.
France has even asked UAE to pay the expenses of future upgrades..
That is not a good sign of a good manufacturer.
Rafale pro-gramme will be in serious danger in future too if India does nt join and French will milk out each penny.
UAE May Ditch Rafale - Defense News
An EJ200 production line in India, Partnership in the EF consortium, Becoming permanent stakeholders. possibly also meeting international orders in the future.
MoD might find the whole thing very appealing. Gives them a great deal of investment and also control over the plane as an asset. They would not just be buyers but Manufacturers.
Though the offer looks irresistable, we need to be very careful here.
EADS which currently with EFT along with the 4 countries, they are actually not able to sort the technical specification of EFT or the sharing of developemntal cost themselves.
As a result of which this plane is not moving anywhere, even moving but slow.
They have made it very clear that India will not be a country which will have a say in decision making process in future and they will not treat us as partners in everything. What works best for the is to move the EJ2000 production line to India en route the touted TOT, will actually help them reduce the cost for making this plane (its an advantage for us too, but limited to only some 126 fighters we will buy). But if you go beyond and want a further modification or developemnt in EFT in future, you will actually go through too many routes to make things happen for the craft.
This is the real internal challange that lies with EFT. I dont see it as a "very" profitable or different than what others are offering. There is hardly anything beyond here.
Thats true from what it looks like too. To be very honest, every fighter here has some trade off and trade on. What we need to understand here is how much hassle we are avoiding in future.I agree , but It still does not change the EF And Ej200 being touted as winners as of late.
And i can't help but think that this is because of the MoD looking at a very unique opportunity. Engine control is major issue for them. That alone is enough really.
The idea that HAL Can do the Upgrades for the EuroFighter.