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F-16s offered to India better than Pakistan’s: Lockheed Martin


American aerospace giant Lockheed Martin on Monday assured India that the F-16s being offered to it would be “much more advanced” than the fighters provided to Pakistan.

“I can assure you, the Super Viper is much more advanced in all aspects than the F-16s being given to Pakistan,” Lockheed Martin’s vice-president-Business Development (India) Orville Prins told a group of visiting Indian journalists here.

The assurance comes in the wake of reports that India was concerned over U.S. supplying a new set of F-16s to Pakistan, a decision which could be a crucial geopolitical factor when the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides on the $10 billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, described as ‘mother of all deals’

“The F-16IN Super Viper will be more advanced than the F-16 Block 60 that were delivered to the UAE recently. The fighter jets being given to Pakistan by the U.S. government are F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft,” Mr. Prins said here.

However, the official said he would not discuss anything more about the company’s dealings with Pakistan, except the fact that it was not the firm that was selling anything to any country, but was just partnering with the U.S. Air Force.

“We don’t sell, the U.S. government does. We only support the U.S. government’s decisions,” he said when queried about the U.S. military support to Pakistan in the form of a set of 18 new F-16 fighters.

In fact, Mr. Prins tried to defend the military sale of his company’s fighter jets to Pakistan despite India’s protest, saying it was not just Lockheed Martin that was supplying to Islamabad, but all the six contenders in the MMRCA race were, either directly or indirectly.

Other bidders in the MMRCA deal were U.S.’ Boeing, French D’Assault, Swedish Gripen, European consortium EADS, and Russian MiG.

The programme to deliver 18 F-16s to Pakistan, named as ‘Peace Drive I’, will raise the total number of F-16s ordered by Pakistan to 54.

The ‘Peace Drive I’ order is for 12 F-16Cs and six F-16Ds, all powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine and these would be delivered by end of 2010.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had received its first F-16 in the Block 15 F-16A/B configuration in 1982, but it has been operating Lockheed Martin aircraft since 1963, when it received C-130B transport aircraft.

Block 50/52 is the eighth major modification block of the F-16. The Block 50/52 improvements — more powerful engine, colour cockpit displays, new electronic warfare suite, advanced weapons and sensors - are the direct result of combat experience.

The Block 60 F-16, supplied to UAE recently, has a host of new systems that keep the fighter on the leading edge of technology.

Conformal fuel tanks significantly extend the aircraft’s range with new, more advanced flight controls and radar detection capabilities, all-new avionics giving the pilots more sensor data and improved situational awareness.

The F-16IN Super Viper, on the other hand, will share fifth generation technologies that are currently available on the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor, both Lockheed Martin products.

“The Super Viper could be described as the ultimate fourth generation fighter, tailored exclusively to meet or exceed all of India’s MMRCA requirements,” Mr. Prins said.

The Super Viper would have Northrop Grumman’s APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, the only operational AESA in the international market today.

“This revolutionary all-weather, precision targeting sensor has been exported by the United States government and is defending a sovereign nation today; no other MMRCA competitor can make that claim,” he added.

The APG-80 AESA radar would provide outstanding situational awareness and detection; ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved modes of operations with automatic terrain following; and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.

The F-16IN would be powered by the highest thrust engine in the competition, the General Electric F110-132A, with 32,000-pound thrust and incorporates latest technology, including full authority digital engine control, for maximum fuel efficiency and performance.
 
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Dallas: American aerospace giant Lockheed Martin today assured India that the F-16s being offered to it would be "much more advanced" than the fighters provided to Pakistan.

"I can assure you, the Super Viper is much more advanced in all aspects than the F-16s being given to Pakistan," Lockheed Martin's Vice President-Business Development (India) Orville Prins told a group of visiting Indian journalists here.

The assurance comes in the wake of reports that India was concerned over US supplying a new set of F-16s to Pakistan, a decision which could be a crucial geopolitical factor when the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides on the USD 10 billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, described as 'mother of all deals'.

"The F-16IN Super Viper will be more advanced than the F-16 Block 60 that were delivered to the UAE recently.
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Indian F-16s will be 'superior' to Pak's: Lockheed -  National News ? News ? MSN India
 
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So???? That dosent give us any edge over pakistan If we have F-16, they know that aircraft much better than we do... Anways India would not want F-16 or F-18, when We have Euro fighter typhoon and MIG-35 which are even better and cheaper
 
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So???? That dosent give us any edge over pakistan If we have F-16, they know that aircraft much better than we do... Anways India would not want F-16 or F-18, when We have Euro fighter typhoon and MIG-35 which are even better and cheaper

Yeah right. But I am so confused. What do US Defence companies actually want?

My guess is Lockheed martin knows that they are out of the race by now.
 
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American aerospace giant Lockheed Martin on Monday assured India that the F-16s being offered to it would be "much more advanced" than the fighters provided to Pakistan.

"I can assure you, the Super Viper is much more advanced in all aspects than the F-16s being given to Pakistan," Lockheed Martin's Vice President-Business Development (India) Orville Prins told a group of visiting Indian media persons in Dallas.

The assurance comes in the wake of reports that India was concerned over US supplying a new set of F-16s to Pakistan, a decision that could be a crucial geopolitical factor when the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides on the $10 billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, described as 'mother of all deals'.

"The F-16IN Super Viper will be more advanced than the F-16 Block 60 that were delivered to the UAE recently. The fighter jets being given to Pakistan by the US government are F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft," Prins said in Dallas.

However, the official said he would not discuss anything more about the company's dealings with Pakistan, except the fact that it was not the firm that was selling anything to any country, but was just partnering with the US Air Force [ Images ].

"We don't sell, the US government does. We only support the US government's decisions," he said when queried about the US military support to Pakistan in the form of a set of 18 new F-16 fighters.

In fact, Prins tried to defend the military sale of his company's fighter jets to Pakistan despite India's protest, saying it was not just Lockheed Martin that was supplying to Islamabad, but all the six contenders in the MMRCA race were, either directly or indirectly.

Other bidders in the MMRCA deal were US' Boeing, French D'Assault, Swedish Gripen, European consortium EADS, and Russian MiG.

The programme to deliver 18 F-16s to Pakistan, named as 'Peace Drive I', will raise the total number of F-16s ordered by Pakistan to 54.

The 'Peace Drive I' order is for 12 F-16Cs and six F-16Ds, all powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine and these would be delivered by end of 2010.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had received its first F-16 in the Block 15 F-16A/B configuration in 1982, but it has been operating Lockheed Martin aircraft since 1963, when it received C-130B transport aircraft.

Block 50/52 is the eighth major modification block of the F-16. The Block 50/52 improvements -- more powerful engine, colour cockpit displays, new electronic warfare suite, advanced weapons and sensors -- are the direct result of combat experience.

The Block 60 F-16, supplied to UAE recently, has a host of new systems that keep the fighter on the leading edge of technology.

Conformal fuel tanks significantly extend the aircraft's range with new, more advanced flight controls and radar detection capabilities, all-new avionics giving the pilots more sensor data and improved situational awareness.

The F-16IN Super Viper, on the other hand, will share fifth generation technologies that are currently available on the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor, both Lockheed Martin products.

"The Super Viper could be described as the ultimate fourth generation fighter, tailored exclusively to meet or exceed all of India's MMRCA requirements," Prins said.

The Super Viper would have Northrop Grumman's APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, the only operational AESA in the international market today.

"This revolutionary all-weather, precision targeting sensor has been exported by the United States government and is defending a sovereign nation today; no other MMRCA competitor can make that claim," he added.

The APG-80 AESA radar would provide outstanding situational awareness and detection; ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved modes of operations with automatic terrain following; and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.

The F-16IN would be powered by the highest thrust engine in the competition, the General Electric F110-132A, with 32,000-pound thrust and incorporates latest technology, including full authority digital engine control, for maximum fuel efficiency and performance.

US offers India F-16s more advanced than Pak's: Rediff.com India News
 
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American aerospace giant Lockheed Martin on Monday assured India that the F-16s being offered to it would be "much more advanced" than the fighters provided to Pakistan.

"I can assure you, the Super Viper is much more advanced in all aspects than the F-16s being given to Pakistan," Lockheed Martin's Vice President-Business Development (India) Orville Prins told a group of visiting Indian journalists here.

The assurance comes in the wake of reports that India was concerned over US supplying a new set of F-16s to Pakistan, a decision which could be a crucial geopolitical factor when the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides on the USD 10 billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, described as 'mother of all deals'.

"The F-16IN Super Viper will be more advanced than the F-16 Block 60 that were delivered to the UAE recently. The fighter jets being given to Pakistan by the US government are F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft," Prins said here.

However, the official said he would not discuss anything more about the company's dealings with Pakistan, except the fact that it was not the firm that was selling anything to any country, but was just partnering with the US Air Force.

"We don't sell, the US government does. We only support the US government's decisions," he said when queried about the US military support to Pakistan in the form of a set of 18 new F-16 fighters.

In fact, Prins tried to defend the military sale of his company's fighter jets to Pakistan despite India's protest, saying it was not just Lockheed Martin that was supplying to Islamabad, but all the six contenders in the MMRCA race were, either directly or indirectly.

Other bidders in the MMRCA deal were US' Boeing, French D'Assault, Swedish Gripen, European consortium EADS, and Russian MiG.

The programme to deliver 18 F-16s to Pakistan, named as 'Peace Drive I', will raise the total number of F-16s ordered by Pakistan to 54.

The 'Peace Drive I' order is for 12 F-16Cs and six F-16Ds, all powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine and these would be delivered by end of 2010.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had received its first F-16 in the Block 15 F-16A/B configuration in 1982, but it has been operating Lockheed Martin aircraft since 1963, when it received C-130B transport aircraft.

Block 50/52 is the eighth major modification block of the F-16. The Block 50/52 improvements - more powerful engine, colour cockpit displays, new electronic warfare suite, advanced weapons and sensors - are the direct result of combat experience.

The Block 60 F-16, supplied to UAE recently, has a host of new systems that keep the fighter on the leading edge of technology.

Conformal fuel tanks significantly extend the aircraft's range with new, more advanced flight controls and radar detection capabilities, all-new avionics giving the pilots more sensor data and improved situational awareness.

The F-16IN Super Viper, on the other hand, will share fifth generation technologies that are currently available on the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor, both Lockheed Martin products.

"The Super Viper could be described as the ultimate fourth generation fighter, tailored exclusively to meet or exceed all of India's MMRCA requirements," Prins said.

The Super Viper would have Northrop Grumman's APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, the only operational AESA in the international market today.

"This revolutionary all-weather, precision targeting sensor has been exported by the United States government and is defending a sovereign nation today; no other MMRCA competitor can make that claim," he added.

The APG-80 AESA radar would provide outstanding situational awareness and detection; ultrahigh-resolution synthetic aperture radar mapping, fully interleaved modes of operations with automatic terrain following; and air-to-air tracking of multiple targets.

The F-16IN would be powered by the highest thrust engine in the competition, the General Electric F110-132A, with 32,000-pound thrust and incorporates latest technology, including full authority digital engine control, for maximum fuel efficiency and performance.
 
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India will not select F-16 when it can get Eurofighter, Rafale..in the end it is likely to end up with a Russian fighter because it will come cheap.
 
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Indeed it would be an advanced variant of the same air craft but the fact that PAF has been Flying this Fighter for over 30 Years wont let india buy this Air Craft.

The Bottom line is that Yanks will say anything to sell their Products as its a marketing strategy.

To me Viper and Mig is out and there are greater chances of Super Hornet and Typhoon.

Regards:

Block 52+

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Block 60.

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Block 70 offered to India.




Point out any Major air Frame difference !!!
 
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Central dorsal spine in Block 70 is Missing and apart from that i do not see any Air Frame changes but it would have advanced Avionics and EW suite.
 
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India will not select F-16 when it can get Eurofighter, Rafale..in the end it is likely to end up with a Russian fighter because it will come cheap.

10 billion $ is not cheap dude, its more than the entire Aid given by the US to Pakistan in the last 5 years!!

Mig-35 will not win. One of the major points that goes against it is, i.e not operational with the Russian Air Force while the other fighters are proven war horses.
 
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10 billion $ is not cheap dude, its more than the entire Aid given by the US to Pakistan in the last 5 years!!

Mig-35 will not win. One of the major points that goes against it is, i.e not operational with the Russian Air Force while the other fighters are proven war horses.

Euro-fighter is the best choice considering the Indian requirements. BUT having said that, I would say its not the abilities of fighter plane alone but Geo-Politics is going to play a big role and probably the predominant role in the case of MMRCA which has been reason for India to wait and let contending players add more and more weight to their deal.
 
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I get the impression Some people are hoping and preying that India selects the MIG35 believiing it to be the most tech inferior in the race.

The Indians will do their home work. Make no mistake about that.

If in doubt just check the CUSTOMISED FLANKER that INDIA HAD BUILT exclusively for them the SU30MKI.

Has for MMRCA i here that BOTH F18S/H and Typhoons have ticked the most boxes.

As for CHEAP i don,t think INDIA buys anything CHEAP these days.

Phalcon AWACS at $400M EACH wen far cheaper options available

Scorpene subs frm France at $500m wen AGOSTAS cost just $300m each frm same supplier

Gorskhav carrier $2.3 billion started at just $900m

MMRCA will go over $13 billion easily BUT INDIA has the dollars no problem
 
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