Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[randomradio]

I'd like to know WHEN he said that!

Because if it was later than Saturday

https://defence.pk/threads/the-indi...posts-here-please.451004/page-26#post-8727178

...​

I'll sue him for copyright!


Of course, mine was a joke but still ...

Tay.

1:4 superiority is similar to what's been advertised for the F-35 also.

 

[AugenBlick]

@PARIKRAMA

Thankyou Mr. Parrikar for closing this deal

 

[#hydra#]

We may have to integrate Brahmos on Rafale but as Scalp is already tried/tested on Rafale.
Its operational range is more than 500 Km+.

Leave about platform, no SAMs can shoot down an aircraft launching air to surface missile from 300+ kilometers farther. So mki armed with brahmos also have the same survivability of rafale with scalp at this distance. My question is how costly scalps cab be compared to brahmos?

@PARIKRAMA

Thankyou Mr. Parrikar for closing this deal

Seriously I do believe like that both @PARIKRAMA and MP are same person.

 

[AugenBlick]

Leave about platform, no SAMs can shoot down an aircraft launching air to surface missile from 300+ kilometers farther. So mki armed with brahmos also have the same survivability of rafale with scalp at this distance. My question is how costly scalps cab be compared to brahmos?


Seriously I do believe like that both @PARIKRAMA and MP are same person.

Parikrama
Parikkar

Coincidence??
I think not

 

[Hellfire]

Seriously I do believe like that both @PARIKRAMA and MP are same person.

He is the same person, indeed. That is why nothing being done on MII for IAF as our DM spends time posting on PDF

On topic you and at @AugenBlick can not use my allegations of @PARIKRAMA being Parrikar with out my permission

@Taygibay Yes I recall you making the statement of 1:4 in rafale the other day.. you should sue

Parikrama
Parikkar

Coincidence??
I think not

Jokes apart ... he is not. But his write ups are a treat ....... and a bloody thesis. That is why people troll elsewhere, here they remain spellbound.

@Blue Marlin what are you doing learning of new engines for M2K there? Come here

Why we need scalp,the proposed air launched brahmos and brahmos mini have also same range. How scalp can outperform brahmos?
@Abingdonboy @Picdelamirand-oil

Cluster munitions to render airfields inoperable. Plus a Brahmos NG is someway off

 

[PARIKRAMA]

"With the Indian contract, Dassault Aviation has established itself as a large of combat aviation"

PUBLISHED ON 22/09/2016 AT 7:14

INTERVIEW Philippe Plouffe, an expert on defense issues for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) estimates that mastering aerospace program gained both on the civil and military markets, will enable the aircraft manufacturer tricolor minimize risk when the proper execution Indian program.

Philippe Plouffe, expert of the Defense for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG)​

L'Usine Nouvelle. - The India has selected the Rafale. After Qatar and Egypt. Are you surprised by this string of success?
Philippe Plouffe. - This is not surprising. From a technical point of view first. The Rafale is emerging as the most efficient aircraft of its generation. Although the initial concept 30 years ago, its embedded electronic has continuously been modernized to be in the latest technology. It will, however, much to do with competition from new US F35 is truly a new generation of aircraft with a fuselage and a 2015 mission system.
From a political point view, it is not surprising either. India has two objectives. She wants to have leading defense weapons and set up local manufacturing capacity. These two goals are difficult to achieve in practice. First, sell-side, there is a reluctance to transfer sensitive technologies. Furthermore, buy-side, it is not easy to receive technology transfers. The France has been investing for 30 years in the Rafale. One does not acquire this know-how in a few years. This is not only an engineering problem but also industrial know-how.

Over 4 years to reach an agreement. How to interpret the duration endless negotiations ...
We must not underestimate the scope of which will be signed. There are five major nations for procurement of defense equipment and India is one. India is also the first importer of defense equipment with contracts of $ 23 billion over the past six years. Negotiations are often complicated and lengthy. Furthermore, this contract should not be challenged because it is the result of a government to government agreement. This is the case for about 80% of transactions in India in recent years. Other types of contracts can more easily be undermined see canceled even after signing.
In this negotiation, the Dassault teams were professional and careful to the end. The new contract is concluded on a realistic basis.Dassault was able to deny the Indian conditions for the initial contract of 126 aircraft because he felt they were not industrially acceptable. For comparison, industrial A400M (military European transport plane, note) were not able to negotiate reasonable as initial conditions. This largely explains the current difficulties they face

Initially, the Indians were seekers for 126 devices. Does it opens perspectives for Dassault?
This contract is indeed promising. In terms of combat aviation, the Indians indigenous programs in cooperation with the Russians. Or, make a combat aircraft is long and complex. Each time, budgets are exceeded. The overspending in the US F35 exceed 50%. Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon of the European consortium also exceeded the initial costs. For India, the slippage risk development achieved with the Russian is very significant. It is not enough to fly a plane. It is necessary that all the onboard electronics delivers the expected performance. In case of delay, the most natural solution would be to continue to provide for export. And France is one of the only countries to have adequate technological and industrial expertise of a globally recognized level. If Indian cooperation with Russia fail, it would allow France to establish itself then as an even more strategic partner.

For Dassault Aviation , what is the scope of this contract?
With this contract, Dassault Aviation has established itself as a large of combat aviation. The historically accessible equipment market 'made in France' only represents 5% of the global market. The United States , 50% of the global market, China and Russia have closed markets. The Grippen of Saab , the Typhoon and Rafale are fighting in a narrow band. And the French aircraft manufacturer has just won on one of the very few countries which is a significant market, with hundreds of potential devices. Like Saudi Arabia also. This is comparable to the French market, British, or German. There are very few large customers accessible.

How to see the contract?
It will be a real challenge. It is not ever easy to work in a distant land with a client who is not your own government. Purchasing practices are not the same between India and France. This involves a lot of rigor in the performance to meet the expectations of the Indian customer.
However, the Rafale Team is well prepared for the challenge.Dassault jurisdiction for enforcement programs is well established.His teams strung programs regularly renewing its family of business jets. Moreover, it is supported by partners who have solid international experience as Thales defense electronics supplier and MBDA.

Dassault he acquires a new dimension with such a contract?
In purely accounting terms, no. In the end, the part that will return Dassault Aviation could reach half of the contract, or about 4 billion euros in revenue over several years. Basically, this will not change the size of the company. In terms of turnover, Thales or Airbus Group will always be much larger.
However, this clearly will strengthen its manufacturing base and established itself as a leading player on the international stage.

http://www.usinenouvelle.com/articl...omme-un-grand-de-l-aviation-de-combat.N440527

 

[Stephen Cohen]

"With the Indian contract, Dassault Aviation has established itself as a large of combat aviation"

PUBLISHED ON 22/09/2016 AT 7:14

INTERVIEW Philippe Plouffe, an expert on defense issues for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) estimates that mastering aerospace program gained both on the civil and military markets, will enable the aircraft manufacturer tricolor minimize risk when the proper execution Indian program.

Philippe Plouffe, expert of the Defense for the Boston Consulting Group (BCG)​

L'Usine Nouvelle. - The India has selected the Rafale. After Qatar and Egypt. Are you surprised by this string of success?
Philippe Plouffe. - This is not surprising. From a technical point of view first. The Rafale is emerging as the most efficient aircraft of its generation. Although the initial concept 30 years ago, its embedded electronic has continuously been modernized to be in the latest technology. It will, however, much to do with competition from new US F35 is truly a new generation of aircraft with a fuselage and a 2015 mission system.
From a political point view, it is not surprising either. India has two objectives. She wants to have leading defense weapons and set up local manufacturing capacity. These two goals are difficult to achieve in practice. First, sell-side, there is a reluctance to transfer sensitive technologies. Furthermore, buy-side, it is not easy to receive technology transfers. The France has been investing for 30 years in the Rafale. One does not acquire this know-how in a few years. This is not only an engineering problem but also industrial know-how.

Over 4 years to reach an agreement. How to interpret the duration endless negotiations ...
We must not underestimate the scope of which will be signed. There are five major nations for procurement of defense equipment and India is one. India is also the first importer of defense equipment with contracts of $ 23 billion over the past six years. Negotiations are often complicated and lengthy. Furthermore, this contract should not be challenged because it is the result of a government to government agreement. This is the case for about 80% of transactions in India in recent years. Other types of contracts can more easily be undermined see canceled even after signing.
In this negotiation, the Dassault teams were professional and careful to the end. The new contract is concluded on a realistic basis.Dassault was able to deny the Indian conditions for the initial contract of 126 aircraft because he felt they were not industrially acceptable. For comparison, industrial A400M (military European transport plane, note) were not able to negotiate reasonable as initial conditions. This largely explains the current difficulties they face

Initially, the Indians were seekers for 126 devices. Does it opens perspectives for Dassault?
This contract is indeed promising. In terms of combat aviation, the Indians indigenous programs in cooperation with the Russians. Or, make a combat aircraft is long and complex. Each time, budgets are exceeded. The overspending in the US F35 exceed 50%. Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon of the European consortium also exceeded the initial costs. For India, the slippage risk development achieved with the Russian is very significant. It is not enough to fly a plane. It is necessary that all the onboard electronics delivers the expected performance. In case of delay, the most natural solution would be to continue to provide for export. And France is one of the only countries to have adequate technological and industrial expertise of a globally recognized level. If Indian cooperation with Russia fail, it would allow France to establish itself then as an even more strategic partner.

For Dassault Aviation , what is the scope of this contract?
With this contract, Dassault Aviation has established itself as a large of combat aviation. The historically accessible equipment market 'made in France' only represents 5% of the global market. The United States , 50% of the global market, China and Russia have closed markets. The Grippen of Saab , the Typhoon and Rafale are fighting in a narrow band. And the French aircraft manufacturer has just won on one of the very few countries which is a significant market, with hundreds of potential devices. Like Saudi Arabia also. This is comparable to the French market, British, or German. There are very few large customers accessible.

How to see the contract?
It will be a real challenge. It is not ever easy to work in a distant land with a client who is not your own government. Purchasing practices are not the same between India and France. This involves a lot of rigor in the performance to meet the expectations of the Indian customer.
However, the Rafale Team is well prepared for the challenge.Dassault jurisdiction for enforcement programs is well established.His teams strung programs regularly renewing its family of business jets. Moreover, it is supported by partners who have solid international experience as Thales defense electronics supplier and MBDA.

Dassault he acquires a new dimension with such a contract?
In purely accounting terms, no. In the end, the part that will return Dassault Aviation could reach half of the contract, or about 4 billion euros in revenue over several years. Basically, this will not change the size of the company. In terms of turnover, Thales or Airbus Group will always be much larger.
However, this clearly will strengthen its manufacturing base and established itself as a leading player on the international stage.

http://www.usinenouvelle.com/articl...omme-un-grand-de-l-aviation-de-combat.N440527

The translation is not good

 

[PARIKRAMA]

I have always said this time and again.. now read this article...

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26/09/2016

Rafale: And now the Indian Navy?
Rafale catapulted from the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle © NAVY - S. CHANNEL


France and India signed on September 23 in New Delhi, the contract finalizing the purchase of 36 Rafale combat aircraft, intended to renew the means of the Indian Air Force (IAF). After Egypt and Qatar, which have each acquired 24 aircraft in 2015, is a major success for Dassault Aviation and its partners, chief among which Thales and Safran.But above all, this is further proof of confidence in the Rafale, which no one now questions the capacity or performance, widely demonstrated through multiple interventions in recent years by the Air Force and French naval aviation, whether in Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Iraq or Syria.

No offense to his critics, who for 15 years so often and unfairly lampooned, omitting knowingly or out of ignorance, political and geostrategic environment framing orders and the uncertainties and inevitable ramp-up times for such complex programs. The Rafale is, do not mince words, a great success, which is necessary, finally, as a pride for France and its industry, in which the program mobilizes some 500 companies and 7,000 employees.

Air Rafale (Dassault Aviation © - K. TOKUNAGA)



Winner of fierce international competition
The Indian contract crowns the best ways operational and commercial advantages of the Rafale, which has also, perhaps, not been sufficiently emphasized. For it is not a command where the political aspect, although crucial, was dominant. This first contract is the result of a competitive process extremely severe initiated by India in 2001. The MRCA project, based on the operational requirements of IAF, resulting in an international tender including all phases are carefully followed by the administration of the country. Originally, the "contract of the century" as it was called, was for 126 aircraft plus an option for sixty additional devices. In 2009, the Rafale was facing all of its international competitors: F-16 Falcon, F / A-18 Super Hornet, MiG-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and Gripen. After fierce competition and a long phase of evaluation of different models, the Rafale ended up in the final against the Typhoon in 2011 and the following year, India meant the French aircraft as the winner and began exclusive negotiations with industrial traffic.

From 126 to 36 aircraft: the choice of the reason
The famous contract for 126 aircraft ultimately not see the day, blocking the negotiations on the transfer of total technology wanted by India, who wanted to carry on its soil all devices . The fact that Dassault Aviation refuses to guarantee the equipment locally was directly related to the inability of the Indian industry, although having excellent skills in aeronautics, to meet at short notice such a challenge. Locally, industrial and military had also fully aware and, when India changed prime minister in May 2014, these players immediately pleaded with Narendra Modi to find a realistic alternative solution, allowing a transfer of more progressive technology. Thus the MRCA tender was abandoned, India deciding to negotiate a new contract with France. In May 2015, in Paris, the Indian Prime Minister announced that his country wanted to buy 36 Rafale "ready to fly".

The assembly plant in Merignac (© Dassault Aviation - A. February)



The beginning of a new long-term partnership
Now it is therefore all devices that come out of the factory Merignac, 28 single seaters (Rafale C) and 8 twin seater (Rafale B), with nevertheless an important part of counterparties to Indian industry. Thus, half of the contract, estimated at some € 8 billion, must be reinvested in local businesses. A condition that poses no problem this time Dassault, Thales and Safran, which developed in India a broad network of partners, particularly in the renovation program for Mirage 2000 IAF. Embedded systems, electronic components, engine parts ... French manufacturers can rely on solid skills in India and do not show very clearly no concerns about counterparty fixed by the contract, provided that the choice is left in their acquisitions to achieve locally.

Last Friday signed contract is in fact the basis of a long term industrial partnership and scale could be the much greater future. Indeed, 36 were obviously not sufficient to meet the renewal requirements of the Indian Air Force, as evidenced by the first MRCA market with its target from 126 to nearly 200 new aircraft. The future park of Indian Rafale will probably be brought to grow.

Rafale appontant on the Charles de Gaulle (© NAVY - A. MANZANO)



Discussions around the Rafale
Especially in more squadrons of the IAF, France also proposes to renew the hunting onboard the Indian Navy. This has in fact demonstrated by the early 2010s his interest navalized version of the device, implemented by the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. Dassault Aviation was, in particular, confirmed the possibility of embarking on Rafale on new aircraft carrier Indian. They are like their French counterpart equipped with an oblique track and stop strands for landing maneuvers. However, they do not have catapults. Still, the power of the Rafale allows it to take off on such short platforms equipped with a springboard. In air-air configuration, such employment hardly change anything. As for the air-ground configuration, lack of catapults logically reduced the carrying capacity, but at an acceptable level, knowing that it would also be possible to propose a nominal configuration by providing the aircraft with two engines of 9 tonnes thrust, instead M88 type machines of 7.5 tons each currently in service.

Franco-Indian exercise Varuna in 2015 (© NAVY)



A project which was expected the contract to the IAF
The interest of Indian sailors for the Rafale, reinforced by joint exercises conducted with the Charles de Gaulle during his regular deployments in the Indian Ocean, has remained quiet so far, as the studies conducted by Dassault on this potential market. The priority was obviously to the conclusion of the IAF's program and, in a country that still works pretty little joint, merging the two projects was not possible. Following the principle of "one thing at a time," French and Indians have therefore first concentrated on the Air Burst. But now that the program is on track, it is expected that the Paris talks leave around the Rafale and that this project emerges in the wake of the success that has been registered. Beyond the obvious advantage offered by possible pooling (industrial support and maintain optimized supply chain town ...) with the Rafale Air, Navy version of the device has a real added value for operational and strategic Indian fleet in full modernization facing the impressive development of the Chinese Navy.

The Vikramaditya (© INDIAN NAVY)



The MiG-29K is not entirely satisfactory
Given the nature of some projects and stresses calendar, the Indian Navy, at first, made the choice of the Russian MiG-29K. Released in 2010, this unit is an navalized version of the fighter-bomber MiG-29M, developed in the late 80s to the Russian Air Force. So it was not designed from the outset for a job on the aircraft carrier, which however involves very important structural differences. 45 copies were ordered by India to Russia (the last to be delivered this year) to form the heart of the air wing of the new aircraft carrier Indian. First the Vikramaditya, which is none other than former Russian Gorshkov, dating back to 1987. Deeply redesigned the building was delivered in 2014 to the Indian Navy after significant delays and additional costs. It will add the new Vikrant, first aircraft carrier built in India (with Italian support, the design is derived from the Cavour), launched in 2013 and which should be operational by 2019. So that 'pending over the old aircraft carrier Viraat (ex British Hermes) continues to implement the venerable Sea Harrier vertical landing and short takeoff, the Vikramaditya gradually rises in power with his MiG-29K. But the least we can say is that Indian sailors returns are far from excellent. If the MiG-29K is probably the basis of a good airplane, the availability rate of the Indian fleet devices is apparently not satisfied with maintenance problems and supplies of spare parts and an avionics having, it is said, some weaknesses. So much so that sailors, already frustrated by the setbacks that marked the redesign of Vikramaditya, comes with five late, do not hide their disappointment with the Russian planes.

Mig-29K on the Vikramaditya (© INDIAN NAVY)

The key technical and logistical support
Which naturally promotes the candidacy of the Rafale as a potential spearhead of the future Indian naval aviation.Beyond the fact that the French unit is technologically more advanced and higher in capacity, with a unique versatility for an embedded device, Indians are also very sensitive to the issue of technical and logistical support. However, the success of Indian Mirage 2000 upgrade program, signed in 2011 and whose first two aircraft were delivered last year has further increased the confidence of the Indian military in the ability of Dassault and its partners working in India since the 50's, to ensure effective support for the long term.

Navy Rafale catapult on the Charles de Gaulle (© NAVY)

End of part 1

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[PARIKRAMA]

Towards a new Indian aircraft carrier catapults
Construction of sister ship Vikrant, first introduced as a carrier air defense, was abandoned in favor of a more ambitious project on a building designed to conduct power projection operations. Known Vishal, the third Indian aircraft carrier will be greater than his older and probably catobar type, that is to say with catapults and shutdown strands. To carry out this new project, New Delhi plans to cooperate with a foreign manufacturer who has expertise in aircraft carrier. This is where DCNS, the only company in the world to have studied a new design of aircraft carriers, DEAC, to meet those needs.


DCNS offers designer
Long 272 meters for a displacement of 52,000 tons over, DCNS Evolved Aircraft Carrier (DEAC) has everything to be the basis for discussions. It is a carrier of new generation compact, designed to enable the country who has achieve similar power projection operations to those that can lead the Navy with the Charles de Gaulle. To this end, the French engineers have increased the maximum aeronautical capabilities of the platform. This offers a flight deck area of 13,500 m² and two catapults of 90 meters allowing the implementation of heavier aircraft. The flow of materials and ammunition, as well as refueling and maneuvering aircraft on the flight deck and the hangar to have been optimized to facilitate flight operations and allow 75 day trips. With two lifts 36 tonnes, the DEAC incorporates oblique track with three strands stop and emergency barrier. It can implement some forty aircraft and is manned by 900 crew members, the capacity can go up to 1770 people with the staff of Air Group and Staff.

Capable of carrying 400 tons of ammunition and 8,400 tons of fuel, DEAC has a substantial autonomy or 8000 miles at 20 knots. Capable of reaching a top speed of 28 knots, it is available with different types of powered two rows of trees, including CODLAG (Combined diesel-electric and gas) or COGAG (Combined gas turbine and gas turbine).

DEAC (© DCNS)



Several countries consulted but big advantages for French
Discussions have therefore begun to consider a Franco-Indian cooperation, DCNS hoping to capitalize on the good progress of Indian submarines of the Scorpene-type program, made in Technology Transfer in Mumbai and the first of which, the Kalvari, to be delivered in 2017.

Obviously, the Indians consult other country but France, with the tandem DEAC / Rafale, offers a safe and optimal solution to meet Indian needs. In terms of capacity, know-how and technology, Russians, Britons and Italians can not compete, due among other things they have no recent experience of aircraft carrier catapults. As for the Americans, their aircraft carriers are too big and expensive. France also has the advantage, not negligible, to give customers all the keys allowing them to use the equipment as they see fit, which is crucial in terms of freedom of action and sovereignty.

(© HESJA)

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/rafale-et-maintenant-la-marine-indienne

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Check this out.. now read and recall what i have always said..

• ACC help by DCNS .. i used the term - will be a consultant..
• Rafale M for STOBAR
• Rafale M stobar ops no compromise in A2A with limited capability downgrade for A2G
• MII for IAF+IN - a huge fleet

Enjoy !!

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[Hellfire]

@PARIKRAMA Damn

 

[#hydra#]

Towards a new Indian aircraft carrier catapults
Construction of sister ship Vikrant, first introduced as a carrier air defense, was abandoned in favor of a more ambitious project on a building designed to conduct power projection operations. Known Vishal, the third Indian aircraft carrier will be greater than his older and probably catobar type, that is to say with catapults and shutdown strands. To carry out this new project, New Delhi plans to cooperate with a foreign manufacturer who has expertise in aircraft carrier. This is where DCNS, the only company in the world to have studied a new design of aircraft carriers, DEAC, to meet those needs.


DCNS offers designer
Long 272 meters for a displacement of 52,000 tons over, DCNS Evolved Aircraft Carrier (DEAC) has everything to be the basis for discussions. It is a carrier of new generation compact, designed to enable the country who has achieve similar power projection operations to those that can lead the Navy with the Charles de Gaulle. To this end, the French engineers have increased the maximum aeronautical capabilities of the platform. This offers a flight deck area of 13,500 m² and two catapults of 90 meters allowing the implementation of heavier aircraft. The flow of materials and ammunition, as well as refueling and maneuvering aircraft on the flight deck and the hangar to have been optimized to facilitate flight operations and allow 75 day trips. With two lifts 36 tonnes, the DEAC incorporates oblique track with three strands stop and emergency barrier. It can implement some forty aircraft and is manned by 900 crew members, the capacity can go up to 1770 people with the staff of Air Group and Staff.

Capable of carrying 400 tons of ammunition and 8,400 tons of fuel, DEAC has a substantial autonomy or 8000 miles at 20 knots. Capable of reaching a top speed of 28 knots, it is available with different types of powered two rows of trees, including CODLAG (Combined diesel-electric and gas) or COGAG (Combined gas turbine and gas turbine).

DEAC (© DCNS)



Several countries consulted but big advantages for French
Discussions have therefore begun to consider a Franco-Indian cooperation, DCNS hoping to capitalize on the good progress of Indian submarines of the Scorpene-type program, made in Technology Transfer in Mumbai and the first of which, the Kalvari, to be delivered in 2017.

Obviously, the Indians consult other country but France, with the tandem DEAC / Rafale, offers a safe and optimal solution to meet Indian needs. In terms of capacity, know-how and technology, Russians, Britons and Italians can not compete, due among other things they have no recent experience of aircraft carrier catapults. As for the Americans, their aircraft carriers are too big and expensive. France also has the advantage, not negligible, to give customers all the keys allowing them to use the equipment as they see fit, which is crucial in terms of freedom of action and sovereignty.

(© HESJA)

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/rafale-et-maintenant-la-marine-indienne

+++

Check this out.. now read and recall what i have always said..

• ACC help by DCNS .. i used the term - will be a consultant..
• Rafale M for STOBAR
• Rafale M stobar ops no compromise in A2A with limited capability downgrade for A2G
• MII for IAF+IN - a huge fleet

Enjoy !!

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If my memory is correct @Abingdonboy ,sometimes back said that ins vikrant will be hosting rafale m instead of mif29k. Is that true?

 

[GuardianRED]

Towards a new Indian aircraft carrier catapults
Construction of sister ship Vikrant, first introduced as a carrier air defense, was abandoned in favor of a more ambitious project on a building designed to conduct power projection operations. Known Vishal, the third Indian aircraft carrier will be greater than his older and probably catobar type, that is to say with catapults and shutdown strands. To carry out this new project, New Delhi plans to cooperate with a foreign manufacturer who has expertise in aircraft carrier. This is where DCNS, the only company in the world to have studied a new design of aircraft carriers, DEAC, to meet those needs.


DCNS offers designer
Long 272 meters for a displacement of 52,000 tons over, DCNS Evolved Aircraft Carrier (DEAC) has everything to be the basis for discussions. It is a carrier of new generation compact, designed to enable the country who has achieve similar power projection operations to those that can lead the Navy with the Charles de Gaulle. To this end, the French engineers have increased the maximum aeronautical capabilities of the platform. This offers a flight deck area of 13,500 m² and two catapults of 90 meters allowing the implementation of heavier aircraft. The flow of materials and ammunition, as well as refueling and maneuvering aircraft on the flight deck and the hangar to have been optimized to facilitate flight operations and allow 75 day trips. With two lifts 36 tonnes, the DEAC incorporates oblique track with three strands stop and emergency barrier. It can implement some forty aircraft and is manned by 900 crew members, the capacity can go up to 1770 people with the staff of Air Group and Staff.

Capable of carrying 400 tons of ammunition and 8,400 tons of fuel, DEAC has a substantial autonomy or 8000 miles at 20 knots. Capable of reaching a top speed of 28 knots, it is available with different types of powered two rows of trees, including CODLAG (Combined diesel-electric and gas) or COGAG (Combined gas turbine and gas turbine).

DEAC (© DCNS)



Several countries consulted but big advantages for French
Discussions have therefore begun to consider a Franco-Indian cooperation, DCNS hoping to capitalize on the good progress of Indian submarines of the Scorpene-type program, made in Technology Transfer in Mumbai and the first of which, the Kalvari, to be delivered in 2017.

Obviously, the Indians consult other country but France, with the tandem DEAC / Rafale, offers a safe and optimal solution to meet Indian needs. In terms of capacity, know-how and technology, Russians, Britons and Italians can not compete, due among other things they have no recent experience of aircraft carrier catapults. As for the Americans, their aircraft carriers are too big and expensive. France also has the advantage, not negligible, to give customers all the keys allowing them to use the equipment as they see fit, which is crucial in terms of freedom of action and sovereignty.

(© HESJA)

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/rafale-et-maintenant-la-marine-indienne

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Check this out.. now read and recall what i have always said..

• ACC help by DCNS .. i used the term - will be a consultant..
• Rafale M for STOBAR
• Rafale M stobar ops no compromise in A2A with limited capability downgrade for A2G
• MII for IAF+IN - a huge fleet

Enjoy !!

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So the ultimate decision on who will be designing/consultant on the IAC2 wil be political one. Place you bets people, IS IT the Russian, Americans or the French ??!

 

[Blue Marlin]

i have leaned of an interesting development.
india has signed for the technical and financial agreements for the jet but has not signed for the 50% offset agreement.
thats the hardest part.

 

[Abingdonboy]

We may have to integrate Brahmos on Rafale but as Scalp is already tried/tested on Rafale.
Its operational range is more than 500 Km+.

Answered a few pages back in more detail but basically the Rafale is at least a decade away from getting integrated with the Brahmos, the SCALP is integrated today and will be with the IAF's Rafales from 2019.

If my memory is correct @Abingdonboy ,sometimes back said that ins vikrant will be hosting rafale m instead of mif29k. Is that true?

I've said that the Vikrant has a very high chance of being Home to Rafale Ms given the sheer Lack of interest the IN has shown in ordering more MiG-29Ks despite the Vikrant only being a few years away from sea trails. They'd have made their move by now unless they were waiting for something else (the IAF's decision on the Rafale for instance).

 

[migflug]

Towards a new Indian aircraft carrier catapults
Construction of sister ship Vikrant, first introduced as a carrier air defense, was abandoned in favor of a more ambitious project on a building designed to conduct power projection operations. Known Vishal, the third Indian aircraft carrier will be greater than his older and probably catobar type, that is to say with catapults and shutdown strands. To carry out this new project, New Delhi plans to cooperate with a foreign manufacturer who has expertise in aircraft carrier. This is where DCNS, the only company in the world to have studied a new design of aircraft carriers, DEAC, to meet those needs.


DCNS offers designer
Long 272 meters for a displacement of 52,000 tons over, DCNS Evolved Aircraft Carrier (DEAC) has everything to be the basis for discussions. It is a carrier of new generation compact, designed to enable the country who has achieve similar power projection operations to those that can lead the Navy with the Charles de Gaulle. To this end, the French engineers have increased the maximum aeronautical capabilities of the platform. This offers a flight deck area of 13,500 m² and two catapults of 90 meters allowing the implementation of heavier aircraft. The flow of materials and ammunition, as well as refueling and maneuvering aircraft on the flight deck and the hangar to have been optimized to facilitate flight operations and allow 75 day trips. With two lifts 36 tonnes, the DEAC incorporates oblique track with three strands stop and emergency barrier. It can implement some forty aircraft and is manned by 900 crew members, the capacity can go up to 1770 people with the staff of Air Group and Staff.

Capable of carrying 400 tons of ammunition and 8,400 tons of fuel, DEAC has a substantial autonomy or 8000 miles at 20 knots. Capable of reaching a top speed of 28 knots, it is available with different types of powered two rows of trees, including CODLAG (Combined diesel-electric and gas) or COGAG (Combined gas turbine and gas turbine).

DEAC (© DCNS)



Several countries consulted but big advantages for French
Discussions have therefore begun to consider a Franco-Indian cooperation, DCNS hoping to capitalize on the good progress of Indian submarines of the Scorpene-type program, made in Technology Transfer in Mumbai and the first of which, the Kalvari, to be delivered in 2017.

Obviously, the Indians consult other country but France, with the tandem DEAC / Rafale, offers a safe and optimal solution to meet Indian needs. In terms of capacity, know-how and technology, Russians, Britons and Italians can not compete, due among other things they have no recent experience of aircraft carrier catapults. As for the Americans, their aircraft carriers are too big and expensive. France also has the advantage, not negligible, to give customers all the keys allowing them to use the equipment as they see fit, which is crucial in terms of freedom of action and sovereignty.

(© HESJA)

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/rafale-et-maintenant-la-marine-indienne

+++

Check this out.. now read and recall what i have always said..

• ACC help by DCNS .. i used the term - will be a consultant..
• Rafale M for STOBAR
• Rafale M stobar ops no compromise in A2A with limited capability downgrade for A2G
• MII for IAF+IN - a huge fleet

Enjoy !!

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Does DCNS Evolved Aircraft Carrier (DEAC) have emal catobar or steam catobar?
It would be an excellent decision to go for another vikrant class + ship of about 45k -50k tonnes with steam catobar with dcns help.
it should be able to carry about 40 planes(including heloes and rafale m).
Also DEAC and vikrant are not significantly different in size 272m vs 262m, 13500m2 vs 10000m2.
we can go for vishal post 2025 with emal @80k (no 65 please).