Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Nilgiri]

@PARIKRAMA Many Continental Europeans use comma instead of period to mark decimal point Just FYI

 

[Armani]

@PARIKRAMA Many Continental Europeans use comma instead of period to mark decimal point Just FYI

I knew a guy from Croatia who used to (still does sometimes) post in other forums. I thought the coma was just his personal style - I liked it though, so never really went to analyse why that is so.

 

[halloweene]

Simply Amazing! Thanks (just realize that the Flight stick is to the Left)

Not exactly. It is power stick.

Btw, we deliberately changed a few things (like adding a map on the tactical situation screen, but you may enjoy this...

 

[randomradio]

Best case, same as in France : 2+ years from first piece to final product.

I assumed the same, but Picdel pointed out it takes 3 years to manufacture the Rafale.

The two fighters know each other well enough. The TriLat ex, Al-Dhafra '09 and,
in the beginning the one below.
And that thing to make a Raptor bigger on radar is a Luneburg lens or RCS enhancer.

The IAF exercised with the F-22s in May this year. Most likely with the Luneburg lens, but I'm not sure.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Okies here is the confirmation

• Le Drian meeting DM MP at 1230 pm
• A delegation level talks will happen and in all probability the famous side case of MII will come up as well.
• it is expected that a specific message is being carried by DM Le Drian from Prez Hollande and indications as per sources is a much larger commitment to Rafales and for India France Defence Partnership
• At 3 PM Rafale deal will be officially signed.
• A press meet after that is planned

Enjoy, will try getting pointers from delegation meeting

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[Bullet#500]

That's a no brainier and any one denying that is living in fools paradise. China is already an economic super power and on its way to becoming a military super power within a decade. We have no answer to china except getting in bed with uncle Sam.

 

[R!CK]

Okies here is the confirmation

• Le Drian meeting DM MP at 1230 pm
• A delegation level talks will happen and in all probability the famous side case of MII will come up as well.
• it is expected that a specific message is being carried by DM Le Drian from Prez Hollande and indications as per sources is a much larger commitment to Rafales and for India France Defence Partnership
• At 3 PM Rafale deal will be officially signed.
• A press meet after that is planned

Enjoy, will try getting pointers from delegation meeting

@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @Vergennes @randomradio @Ankit Kumar 002 @MilSpec @Koovie @Echo_419 @Dash @hellfire @ito @SR-91 @AMCA @DesiGuy1403 @ranjeet @hellfire @fsayed @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ @nair @proud_indian @Roybot @jbgt90 @Sergi @Water Car Engineer @dadeechi @kurup @Rain Man @kaykay @Joe Shearer @Tshering22 @Dandpatta @danger007 @Didact @Soumitra @SrNair @TejasMk3@jbgt90 @ranjeet @4GTejasBVR @The_Showstopper @guest11 @egodoc222 @Nilgiri @SarthakGanguly @Omega007 @GURU DUTT @HariPrasad @JanjaWeed @litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular @Spectre@litefire @AMCA @Perpendicular@Ryuzaki @CorporateAffairs @GR!FF!N @migflug @Levina@SvenSvensonov @-xXx- @Perpendicular @proud_indian @Mustang06 @Param @Local_Legend @Ali Zadi @hellfire @egodoc222 @CorporateAffairs @Major Shaitan Singh @jha @SmilingBuddha @#hydra# @danish_vij @[Bregs] @Skillrex @Hephaestus @SR-91 @Techy @litefire @R!CK @zebra7 @dev_moh @DesiGuy1403 @itachii @nik141993 @Marxist @Glorino @noksss @jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @Kraitcorp @Crixus @waz @WAJsal @Oscar @AugenBlick @Star Wars @GuardianRED @arp2041 @Aero @Armani @salarsikander https://defence.pk/members/enquencher.34831/ @others

Once the deal is signed, we must all chip-in and buy 1 Rafale for @PARIKRAMA as a token of appreciation for his efforts. Lol

Good Day!

 

[shree835]

Absolutely, those experts only know how to count, or they just fear-monger to get attentions.

CHINI Guy...This is Just a beginning...Just wait and watch.

 

[surya kiran]

Enjoy, will try getting pointers from delegation meeting

The only thing I am interested in, like a baniya, is which listed company is going to be confirmed partner. Want to buy shares.

 

[VivasvatManu]

Once the deal is signed, we must all chip-in and buy 1 Rafale for @PARIKRAMA as a token of appreciation for his efforts. Lol

Good Day!

Here you go,

 

[A_Poster]

I was just waiting for bhaade-ke-tattu like Kahonapyarhai or Ashok321 to strike, once Rafael deal was struck.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Some interesting pointers from our friend @vstol.

Thanks to him we have another confirmation of certain price range of the product line

The chief pointers

• 3.2b for 36 Rafale, unit fly away cost becomes 95m/ac.
• 1.8b for associated supplies
• 1.7b for integrating India specific weapons.
• 700m for weapons.
• 350m for spares. (All figures in Euros)
• This means that any further Rafale thru MII will come atleast 10m cheap on unit fly away cost. The other costs are one time costs and will not be applied proportionally to any further purchase of Rafale.
• The deal as brokered by UPA was for about 22b for 126 aircraft of which 18 were supposed to come from France. The equivalent deal price for the renegotiated deal is now:-
  • 7.8b for first 36 Rafale
  • 90 Rafele @ 110m/ac average price after adjusting for escalation of 3.5%/annum for next seven years amounting to 9.9b.
  • TOTAL FOR 126 AIRCRAFT 7.8+9.9=17.7B.
• A SAVING OF OVER 4.3B OVER WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BY UPA.
• From this saved amount we can buy S-400. So basically we are getting Rafale and S-400 for the same price for which UPA had negotiated only Rafale.
• The benefits and savings if Kaveri gets going thru offsets will amount to over USD8b over 25 yr period.
• The benefits from other 15 techs out of total 16 contracted as part of offsets notwithstanding.

Pls connect to earlier post

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.230070/page-327#post-8688450

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and now the super part

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I have casually hinted to some of the newspapers to go through their own sources to check about MII deal news and very soon if they hit the right places (which i think one newspaper will hit as its very close) , the deal of MII will be revealed in public domain itself.

 

[Nilgiri]

Some interesting pointers from our friend @vstol.

Thanks to him we have another confirmation of certain price range of the product line

View attachment 337026
The chief pointers

• 3.2b for 36 Rafale, unit fly away cost becomes 95m/ac.
• 1.8b for associated supplies
• 1.7b for integrating India specific weapons.
• 700m for weapons.
• 350m for spares. (All figures in Euros)
• This means that any further Rafale thru MII will come atleast 10m cheap on unit fly away cost. The other costs are one time costs and will not be applied proportionally to any further purchase of Rafale.
• The deal as brokered by UPA was for about 22b for 126 aircraft of which 18 were supposed to come from France. The equivalent deal price for the renegotiated deal is now:-
  • 7.8b for first 36 Rafale
  • 90 Rafele @ 110m/ac average price after adjusting for escalation of 3.5%/annum for next seven years amounting to 9.9b.
  • TOTAL FOR 126 AIRCRAFT 7.8+9.9=17.7B.
• A SAVING OF OVER 4.3B OVER WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BY UPA.
• From this saved amount we can buy S-400. So basically we are getting Rafale and S-400 for the same price for which UPA had negotiated only Rafale.
• The benefits and savings if Kaveri gets going thru offsets will amount to over USD8b over 25 yr period.
• The benefits from other 15 techs out of total 16 contracted as part of offsets notwithstanding.

Pls connect to earlier post
View attachment 337029

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.230070/page-327#post-8688450

++

and now the super part

View attachment 337033
++

I have casually hinted to some of the newspapers to go through their own sources to check about MII deal news and very soon if they hit the right places (which i think one newspaper will hit as its very close) , the deal of MII will be revealed in public domain itself.

Great thanks buddy. I was waiting for good quality condensed information rather than all the brouhaha out in the media and certain analysts.

 

[VivasvatManu]

Some interesting pointers from our friend @vstol.

Thanks to him we have another confirmation of certain price range of the product line

View attachment 337026
The chief pointers

• 3.2b for 36 Rafale, unit fly away cost becomes 95m/ac.
• 1.8b for associated supplies
• 1.7b for integrating India specific weapons.
• 700m for weapons.
• 350m for spares. (All figures in Euros)
• This means that any further Rafale thru MII will come atleast 10m cheap on unit fly away cost. The other costs are one time costs and will not be applied proportionally to any further purchase of Rafale.
• The deal as brokered by UPA was for about 22b for 126 aircraft of which 18 were supposed to come from France. The equivalent deal price for the renegotiated deal is now:-
  • 7.8b for first 36 Rafale
  • 90 Rafele @ 110m/ac average price after adjusting for escalation of 3.5%/annum for next seven years amounting to 9.9b.
  • TOTAL FOR 126 AIRCRAFT 7.8+9.9=17.7B.
• A SAVING OF OVER 4.3B OVER WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BY UPA.
• From this saved amount we can buy S-400. So basically we are getting Rafale and S-400 for the same price for which UPA had negotiated only Rafale.
• The benefits and savings if Kaveri gets going thru offsets will amount to over USD8b over 25 yr period.
• The benefits from other 15 techs out of total 16 contracted as part of offsets notwithstanding.

Pls connect to earlier post
View attachment 337029

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.230070/page-327#post-8688450

++

and now the super part

View attachment 337033
++

I have casually hinted to some of the newspapers to go through their own sources to check about MII deal news and very soon if they hit the right places (which i think one newspaper will hit as its very close) , the deal of MII will be revealed in public domain itself.

I assume the 180 mentioned in the post EXCLUDES Naval Rafale ?

 

[Skull and Bones]

@PARIKRAMA

If the option for 126 goes through, where does that put the prospect for Gripens?