Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[AKD]

Year 2070?

But by then they all will be obselete!

No by 2025...
When SU 35 are coming? 2100

 

[zambino]

At lasttt! The day has come." Kitni shiddat se tumhe paane ki koshish ki hain.. Ke har zarre ne tumse milane ki saajish ki hain.." ;-)

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

@waz @WAJsal @Oscar @PARIKRAMA
Please close the thread and warn the person for opening zombie threads , when we have a sticky running.

Thanks.

atually its ok to see these old threads, especially when it's amusing to see how todays de facto situation is completely different from what fanboys fantasised about a few years back then:

127 Sukhoi-FGFA
65 HAL AMCA
360 Sukhoi-Super-30
200 Dassault Rafaels <=== hahahaa
254 HAL LCA Tejas
51 Mirage-2000H Mk-3
148 Jaguar-SL-UPG
total 1,205 combat jets & 60 squadrons.....!!!!!

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/india-co...hter-jets-sources.230070/page-7#ixzz4Kuee0Ho9

 

[migflug]

livefist

 

[coffee_cup]

atually its ok to see these old threads, especially when it's amusing to see how todays de facto situation is completely different from what fanboys fantasised about a few years back then:

127 Sukhoi-FGFA
65 HAL AMCA
360 Sukhoi-Super-30
200 Dassault Rafaels <=== hahahaa
254 HAL LCA Tejas
51 Mirage-2000H Mk-3
148 Jaguar-SL-UPG
total 1,205 combat jets & 60 squadrons.....!!!!!

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/india-co...hter-jets-sources.230070/page-7#ixzz4Kuee0Ho9

Oh this is what they were planing to have?

Seems like quite a shopping list.

Till which year was that planned?

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Am for loss of words at what our educated generation thinks.

In order to understand How Rafale deal could have been improved, we have to understand WHY Rafale was chosen. Rafale was chosen for 2 reasons: 1) It serves a strategic delivery role for Indian nuclear capabilities, 2) It provides Indian Air Force officials and politicians well deserved bribes.

Each Rafale costs India around $222 Million. The most expensive F-16 would cost India $100 Million and the Most expensive Gripen NG would cost India $100 Million something as well.

So India could have purchased 2 fighters for the cost of 1 Rafale. Ah....but what about Pakistan using F-16s? Why would India buy something that its enemy also uses? Well, then why use Su-30MKI? China also uses Su-30 variant, right? Oh but that variant is different from the MKI. Well then, the F-16s that were offered to India were also much different from any other F-16 in the world.

Why would F-16 benefit India? F-16 is the backbone of Pakistani Air Force. The whole world knows that US wants to shut down its facility of F-16s as they are switching to F-35s. However, many other nations are still operating the F-16s. Who will provide them with F-16s and services? US risks those countries switching over to Russia for their weaponry if the F-16 production is shut down. However, If India gets the production facility, as US wants, then not only US ensures those countries sticking with them but also ensures that Indian aviation can earn money as they are the manufacturing hub for those F-16s. Additionally, India can use the lessons learned from manufacturing F-16s to kick-start their own aviation industry which as been suffering miserably. Additionally, India can deny Pakistan F-16 spares....forcing their country to buy Chinese and put a further strain on their economy. China will ost likely be giving Pakistan their own fighters on credit as well, which will also strain Chinese economy in the long run.

Why would JAS 39 Gripen benefit India? SAAB has long wanted to cop-paste their own manufacturing plant in India. Tejas is a fighter of the same level as JAs 39 (maybe a little inferior). Making JAS-39 at home will ensure that Tejas Mk2 program gets a boost. As a result, India can induct more Tejas Mk2 in their Air Force, achieve self-reliance and also export them in the future.

Furthermore, both F-16 and JAS 39 would allow India to build their AMCA project much better as India can rely on western experience to make their own product. Rafale doesn't provide that as their engines have been rejected multiple times due to poor thrust. India can also procure F-35s from US if it wishes to chose the F-16s as Lockheed had previously promised. With PAK-FA seeming like a distant dream, it would be of great benefit to India if it can have F-35 fighters to counter the Chinese J-20 and J-31 which have already entered production.

Indian Mirage already have a capability to carry nuclear weapons, and F-16s also posses the ability to carry and deliver nuclear weapons. JAS-39 is unable to do so. So the excuse that Rafale was the only platform able to deliver nukes strategically is a very weak one.

The main reason why Rafale is chosen is because Air Force officials and Politicians want their share of the bribes after congress has already eaten their pie. Rafale doesn't cost close to $222 Million, and I suspect the difference will go to these officials.

The choice was simple. India could have opted for cheaper alternative and fulfilled more Squadrons. Instead, they chose to pay the same price and fulfill only 2 squadrons because bribes were more important.

You can hate me all you want, but deep down you know what Indian politicians want. It happened with BOFORS and it's happening with MMRCA.

This was in the comments here https://m.facebook.com/comment/repl...tifier=1191571840920869&gfid=AQBTMc-uJPjph7Kb

 

[GuardianRED]

Am for loss of words at what our educated generation thinks.


This was in the comments here https://m.facebook.com/comment/repl...tifier=1191571840920869&gfid=AQBTMc-uJPjph7Kb

Bro , Im in a good mood !, don't spoil it with such ignorance post!

 

[first77]

china to Receive 4 Su-35 Fighter Jets From Russia in 2016

 

[Ali Zadi]

ok so one question according to this:

http://idrw.org/breaking-news-much-anticipated-rafale-deal-cleared-signed-friday/

"comes with a saving of nearly 750 million Euros than the UPA era one"

So by this he means that the whole MRCA deal or just the 18 aircraft that was suppose to be bought from them. The $8.2 billion that was originally allocated for MRCA is obviously less than the US$8.8 billion for the current deal.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

SO we will see this formation in Republic day right...

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

ok so one question according to this:

http://idrw.org/breaking-news-much-anticipated-rafale-deal-cleared-signed-friday/

"comes with a saving of nearly 750 million Euros than the UPA era one"

So by this he means that the whole MRCA deal or just the 18 aircraft that was suppose to be bought from them. The $8.2 billion that was originally allocated for MRCA is obviously less than the US$8.8 billion for the current deal.

The MMRCA deal was for the planes only, on this deal the planes seems to cost 3.42 billions so for 126 planes it would have cost 12 billions. If they have saved 750 millions it means that the 36 planes at MMRCA price cost 4.17 billions and the 126 planes would have cost 14.6 billions.

 

[randomradio]

The MMRCA deal was for the planes only, on this deal the planes seems to cost 3.42 billions so for 126 planes it would have cost 12 billions. If they have saved 750 millions it means that the 36 planes at MMRCA price cost 4.17 billions and the 126 planes would have cost 14.6 billions.

The MMRCA cost you quoted is accurate. That came to 90000Cr last year.

Parrikar got what he wanted to achieve. UPA can't complain now.

 

[debspark90]

SO we will see this formation in Republic day right...

Absolutely

 

[Armani]

I will reserve celebrations till 23rd at least.

 

[#hydra#]

So what will be paf's response?will they go for su35s.