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Snehesh Alex Philip ‏@sneheshphilip 12m12 minutes ago
Formal decision on #Rafale deal soon. It is a mere formality.



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LOL True, but we are using Russian weaponry since past 50 yrs so accustomed to fix it now ?

We been using Russian weaponry past 50 years due to:

1. Lack of options.
2. Small price tag
3. Our lack of understanding in Life Cycle Cost factor.
4. Russian vodka.
5. Russian chicks.

However Russians do know how to deal with India. It's very easy, if Indians bargain for more discount reduce the cost of product and increase the cost of after sales services. This way Indians will think they pulled a winner and Russian's will end up getting the same money or more.

We used their products for 50 odd years and still have problems due to the shoddy approach of our DPSUs. This will change as we involve private firms more, it might even force the DPSUs to perform better to remain relevant.

Good Day!
 
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We been using Russian weaponry past 50 years due to:

1. Lack of options.
2. Small price tag
3. Our lack of understanding in Life Cycle Cost factor.
4. Russian vodka.
5. Russian chicks. :yahoo::rofl:


We used their products for 50 odd years and still have problems due to the shoddy approach of our DPSUs. This will change as we involve private firms more, it might even force the DPSUs to perform better to remain relevant.

Good Day!

You are right now Kalyani is been reportedly roped in for engine of kamov and Russians might deliver technology to indian privtae sector which is big plus
 
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But we have other problems with Russians.

Good Day!

Our problems with the Russians are not bureaucratic even though some contracts could have been better negotiated. We negotiated the new price of the FGFA in just 3 months.

We basically learned from our mistakes with the Scorpene and the Su-30/T-90 deals. We aren't repeating those mistakes now (I hope), with both the French and the Russians.
 
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We been using Russian weaponry past 50 years due to:

1. Lack of options.
2. Small price tag
3. Our lack of understanding in Life Cycle Cost factor.


@R!CK @[Bregs]

Slight clarification here. The reason for our use of Soviet equipment lies in the US parleys with both India and Pakistan to form a 'boundary' against Communist USSR and PRC in 1950-52 period. US was keen to have both countries in a broad alliance against the Communists.

It is in this backdrop that Yahya Khan also made his offer to India which was not taken seriously by Nehru. By 1953 Pakistan was firmly in US camp pre-dominantly due to being aware of potential border dispute with PRC in Hunza Principality. This made US supply Pakistan with aid and weapons, while India was still hungover with Non Aligned posture, much to US' chagrin.

This led to India ultimately moving towards Soviets after a few years (specifically 1959, the tear of break between USSR and PRC).


As for concept of LCC, that has to do with buying 'sasta' over quality. It is a quality ingratiated socially into us. Who can be blamed!!
 
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One group whose name is prominent is Reliance Defence+ Samtel+ Bharat Electronics. This group partners is expected to be joined by another company to boost the credibility bcz of ADAG groups present financial position . The inclusion of a PSU in the form of BEL or any other company will be for seamless flow of tech transfer and hence some point to HAL and some point to L&T being also included.

The decision finally will be conveyed when strategic partnership is out.but chiefly as of now there is a understanding between Reliance defence, Samtel and Bharat Electronics to complete the JV with Dassault to produce Rafales and Falcons ...
goodevening parikrama sir , reliance defence ie new company formed after pipavav's acquisition or reliance infra .
 
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Details of Rafale contract finalised: Government sources
By PTI | Sep 12, 2016, 09.13 PM IST

NEW DELHI: Details of the multi-billion euro contract for 36 Rafale fighter aircraft have been finalised and the government is now working on the inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with France.

Government sources said the cost, offsets and service details have been finalised and now the effort is to firm up IGA as envisaged in a pact signed on January this year when French President Francois Hollande was in New Delhi.

"The work on the inter-governmental agreement with France has started and would be finalised soon," one of the sources told PTI.

The sources said the text and language of the agreement is being fine-tuned and the deal is in the final stage.

"The deal is in final stage," Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar told reporters here when asked if it has been cleared by the government.

Last month, a report submitted by the team negotiating the much-anticipated Rafale deal with France was cleared by the Defence Ministry. The file was then sent to the Prime Minister's Office for review and clearance.

The sources said the PMO had sought from the Defence Ministry some clarifications on the life cycle costs and unit price of the aircraft which were replied to.

The deal is expected to be worth around 7.89 billion euros for the 36 fighter jets in fly-away conditions.

The weapon systems, part of the deal, will also include the new-age, beyond visual range missile, Meteor, and Israeli helmet mounted display.

The delivery for the fighter aircraft is expected to begin in 2019, with an annual inflation capped at 3.5 per cent.

The price of the deal was brought down from nearly 10 billion euros, as sought initially, due to various reasons including tough negotiation by India, the discount offered by the French government and reworking of some of the criteria.

During his visit to France in April last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi had announced that India would purchase 36 Rafale jets in a government-to-government contract.

Soon after the announcement, the Defence Ministry scrapped a separate process that was on to purchase 126 Rafale fighter planes, built by French defence giant Dassault Aviation.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...cms?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Please connect with what i said earlier

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https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-318#post-8678984


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https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-310#post-8655150

Now you all can understand why PM NaMO wants reassurance bcz its the language that goes into the IGA , a draft which has been circulated and more or less already agreed between both france and India. But still since it points to all such things as listed above in earlier posts, its imperative its cross checked again to be on safer side.

As i said this deal will become bench mark. In case in future any other aircraft will be bought be it FGFA or F16/18 or even Gripen E, the deal terms have to be similar or better.

India will now raise the stakes further for any future jet production planned by majors like LM, Boeing, Sukhoi or Saab.

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From Horse's mouth

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Just last stage seal left.. a formality

goodevening parikrama sir , reliance defence ie new company formed after pipavav's acquisition or reliance infra .

Pls no sir bro

  • Reliance Defence Limited, established as a wholly owned subsidiary of Reliance Infrastructure Limited, has 11 subsidiaries in niche segments of the Defence sector.
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http://www.rinfra.com/defence.html
 
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