Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Surya 1]

Darling III project has been cancelled due to lack of mojo in 50 years old trainers jauguar engines and lack of money to buy new engines

Few Jaguars upgraded with Darin III has better many better stuff than Junk 20.

 

[ziaulislam]

Few Jaguars upgraded with Darin III has better many better stuff than Junk 20.

I know it was so superior that india decided few are enough to takle the 500+ j10s.
Now its going to be 3 darin III prototypes vs PLAAF

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Now its going to be 3 darin III prototypes vs PLAAF

Yes, IAF spent quarter of a Billion on AIM-132 for just 3 prototypes.

 

[ziaulislam]

Yes, IAF spent quarter of a Billion on AIM-132 for just 3 prototypes.

Pretty much what IAF does..who knows how it thinks..we all enjoyed the frantic screams of abhi and her instructor because IAF thought of saving some money instead of getting a secure link.
Now it doesnt want to pay 3b$ for engines so darin III is going to be like darling III

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Now it doesnt want to pay 3b$ for engines so darin III is going to be like darling III

Well said.

 

[ziaulislam]

Now ofcourse its possible that HAL will lobby the darin project back online without upgrading the 60 years old underpower engine but we all know how that will pay off

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

we all know how that will pay off

Not really but obviously you have.
Pray tell us how.

 

[airmarshal]

India has to look at how pathetic its procurement process is. It has taken India to get 5 planes almost 13 years! If I recall, the request for proposal started in 2007.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

It is really amusing to see how Indians are covering the news of 5 Rafael Planes landing in India.

It is almost as if 5 French Gods (Who have renounced their citicizenship and became Indians) have returned from participating and winning maha bharat. Lol.

Most funny is the fact that LCA which was compared to Rafael once upon a time is no where near Rafael. Kaheen nazar (Najar if you are an Indian) na lag jayay. lolllll.

 

[ziaulislam]

Not really but obviously you have.
Pray tell us how.

well, this is how I teach it to my new interns....keep it very simple..some still are boneheads
if you put new high power requirement avionics/radar to an ALREADY UNDERPOWERED JET..you will end with an ineffective lemon
the jaguars' engines are so old and underpowered that it is already pretty much a lemon(not car)

 

[ziaulislam]

"IAF pilots have a morbid joke among themselves that the Jaguar’s current engines are so underpowered that in case of one engine failing, the second takes the aircraft to the crash site, not back to safety".

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...ade-could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/

 

[ziaulislam]

It is really amusing to see how Indians are covering the news of 5 Rafael Planes landing in India.

It is almost as if 5 French Gods (Who have renounced their citicizenship and became Indians) have returned from participating and winning maha bharat. Lol.

Most funny is the fact that LCA which was compared to Rafael once upon a time is no where near Rafael. Kaheen nazar (Najar if you are an Indian) na lag jayay. lolllll.

F16 V outclasses rafale any day, the same is true for meteor against aim120D & PL15... albeit AMRAAMS have simply outmatched track record
now can PAG get it or does PAF wants it is a separate question

 

[Dustom999]

Rafael are in India for quite some time.

 

[ziaulislam]

It is really amusing to see how Indians are covering the news of 5 Rafael Planes landing in India.

It is almost as if 5 French Gods (Who have renounced their citicizenship and became Indians) have returned from participating and winning maha bharat. Lol.

Most funny is the fact that LCA which was compared to Rafael once upon a time is no where near Rafael. Kaheen nazar (Najar if you are an Indian) na lag jayay. lolllll.

rafale is 4.5 gen fighter just like the f16 V, gripen NG and j10C. raw specs-wise (thrust, weight MTOW) rafale and f16sb70 are almost identical

one can argue that western manufacturers have better experience in avionics and radar software as they were the pioneers..if we go by that logic, the f16 fielded an AESA more than a decade ago..and agp 83 is probably the most superior of all the other 4.5 radars

how good the f16 is can be gauged by the fact that UAE didnt opt for rafale or typhoon and are very much content with their b60s

the downside is restrictions that come with f16s but if you can look past that it is without the doubt the best option

 

[polanski]

Rafale will have strategic advantage over Sukhoi fighters: Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...ver-sukhoi-fighters-air-chief-marshal-dhanoa/