Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[rambro]

Mighty expensiive for parade flyby

The french didnt tout it as the best jet but indians does it.

 

[Vanguard One]

Mighty expensiive for parade flyby

The french didnt tout it as the best jet but indians does it.

It is a very good 4.5 generation fighter, but the problem is that Indians don't know what to do with it. The Indian strategy is run by monkeys, and they will get peanuts for a very expensive, sophisticated fighter plane.

The SPECTRA suite on this fighter is 30% of the cost, and that alone is worth it, but like I said the Indians don't know the first thing about how to use this plane to its full capabilities.

 

[vi-va]

five arrived , hope others arrive soon .we need them .

Where is the confidence and brag about two and half front war?

 

[My-Analogous]

Former IAF chief B S Dhanoa, the architect of Indian humiliation last year comes out with all praise for the mighty Rafale as the sole saviour of Bharat Mata in the present situation. He stops short in nearly declaring the Rafale, an important Indian deity .I am amazed and bemused how this Sardarji made it right to the top to lead a big airforce. Below are some extracts of his interview with HT.
" The Rafale with its top of the line electronic warfare suite, Meteor beyond visual range missile and SCALP air to ground weapon with its terrain following capability outguns any threat that the Chinese Air Force produces. Painting a wartime scenario, former top gun said : “ If the IAF is successful in destruction of enemy air defences and suppression of enemy air defences, then the Chinese fighters out in the open at Hotan air base and at Gonggar air base at Lhasa airport are fair targets. Some 70 Chinese aircraft are without protection at Hotan and some 26 aircraft may be parked inside a tunnel which the PLA were building at Lhasa air base,” the former air chief said."
While Air Chief Marshal (Retd) Dhanoa recognises the threat presented by Chinese J-20 fifth generation fighter, he is very confident that the IAF with its latest Rafale and Su-30 MKI will be able to counter the best the Chinese throw at India.
“ If Chinese equipment was so good, then why did the Pakistanis only use F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on February 27, 2019 with Chinese JF-17 merely giving air defence cover to Mirage 3/5 bombers. The Mirage 3/5 dropped the H 2/4 bombs from a safe distance with the JF 17 in a supportive role providing Air Defence to these aircraft! Why does Pakistan use Swedish early air warning platforms up north and keep Chinese AWACS in the south? Why is Pakistan mounting European radar (Selex Gallelio) and Turkish targeting pod on Chinese JF-17 ? The answer is quite evident,” the former Chief said.
However, the brilliant air tactician recognizes the Chinese threat in form of surface to air missile batteries and artillery guns, which the PLA has packed in occupied Aksai Chin. But he also makes it very clear that with no tree line cover available to the Chinese platforms, they would be sitting ducks if the air defence cover is blown over. “ The Rafale with its advanced terrain following weapons and level II of Digital Terrain Elevation Data available to the Indian pilot, the error probability of the weapon is reduced to mere 10 metres. As I have said in the past, Rafale is a game changer,” former Air Chief Dhanoa said.
While Dhanoa appreciates the enemy threat, his serving IAF officers make it very clear that the Chinese equipment is not only inferior to the US equipment but also the Russian equipment. “ Why does Chinese Air Force use Russian Su-30 and Su-35 fighters while facing the US threat in South China Sea? The fact is that the Chinese fighters are no match for the American equipment Majority of Chinese equipment is reverse engineering of Russian equipment and fighters have designs of either Su-27 or Su 30 platform. They are even powered by Russian AL 31 F (Su-30) and RD 33 (MiG-29) engines,” a serving air commander told Hindustan Times.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...hief-dhanoa/story-3UJINQ1r8cuGputdMeQpOJ.html

Mr B. S Dhanoa has out rightly downgraded the Chinese hardware, such complacency is not a hall mark of a professional. He should be lucky PAF spared his modesty last year, otherwise he would have been in EXILE by now. IAF with this over confident mindset might end up being decimated, if the PAF and PLAAF duo intend to show some force. Both have been practicing hard for the D DAY for some time ,in the neighbourhoods of Ladakh (Shaheen exercises).

If he is in Pakistan, we court marshal him to make whole airforce useless against enemy. MKI is very good platform but they don't know how to use it.

 

[Figaro]

Former IAF chief B S Dhanoa, the architect of Indian humiliation last year comes out with all praise for the mighty Rafale as the sole saviour of Bharat Mata in the present situation. He stops short in nearly declaring the Rafale, an important Indian deity .I am amazed and bemused how this Sardarji made it right to the top to lead a big airforce. Below are some extracts of his interview with HT.
" The Rafale with its top of the line electronic warfare suite, Meteor beyond visual range missile and SCALP air to ground weapon with its terrain following capability outguns any threat that the Chinese Air Force produces. Painting a wartime scenario, former top gun said : “ If the IAF is successful in destruction of enemy air defences and suppression of enemy air defences, then the Chinese fighters out in the open at Hotan air base and at Gonggar air base at Lhasa airport are fair targets. Some 70 Chinese aircraft are without protection at Hotan and some 26 aircraft may be parked inside a tunnel which the PLA were building at Lhasa air base,” the former air chief said."
While Air Chief Marshal (Retd) Dhanoa recognises the threat presented by Chinese J-20 fifth generation fighter, he is very confident that the IAF with its latest Rafale and Su-30 MKI will be able to counter the best the Chinese throw at India.
“ If Chinese equipment was so good, then why did the Pakistanis only use F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on February 27, 2019 with Chinese JF-17 merely giving air defence cover to Mirage 3/5 bombers. The Mirage 3/5 dropped the H 2/4 bombs from a safe distance with the JF 17 in a supportive role providing Air Defence to these aircraft! Why does Pakistan use Swedish early air warning platforms up north and keep Chinese AWACS in the south? Why is Pakistan mounting European radar (Selex Gallelio) and Turkish targeting pod on Chinese JF-17 ? The answer is quite evident,” the former Chief said.
However, the brilliant air tactician recognizes the Chinese threat in form of surface to air missile batteries and artillery guns, which the PLA has packed in occupied Aksai Chin. But he also makes it very clear that with no tree line cover available to the Chinese platforms, they would be sitting ducks if the air defence cover is blown over. “ The Rafale with its advanced terrain following weapons and level II of Digital Terrain Elevation Data available to the Indian pilot, the error probability of the weapon is reduced to mere 10 metres. As I have said in the past, Rafale is a game changer,” former Air Chief Dhanoa said.
While Dhanoa appreciates the enemy threat, his serving IAF officers make it very clear that the Chinese equipment is not only inferior to the US equipment but also the Russian equipment. “ Why does Chinese Air Force use Russian Su-30 and Su-35 fighters while facing the US threat in South China Sea? The fact is that the Chinese fighters are no match for the American equipment Majority of Chinese equipment is reverse engineering of Russian equipment and fighters have designs of either Su-27 or Su 30 platform. They are even powered by Russian AL 31 F (Su-30) and RD 33 (MiG-29) engines,” a serving air commander told Hindustan Times.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...hief-dhanoa/story-3UJINQ1r8cuGputdMeQpOJ.html

Mr B. S Dhanoa has out rightly downgraded the Chinese hardware, such complacency is not a hall mark of a professional. He should be lucky PAF spared his modesty last year, otherwise he would have been in EXILE by now. IAF with this over confident mindset might end up being decimated, if the PAF and PLAAF duo intend to show some force. Both have been practicing hard for the D DAY for some time ,in the neighbourhoods of Ladakh (Shaheen exercises).

Looks like this guy still has not learned the lessons of 1962 ... as they always say, history will repeat itself.

 

[My-Analogous]

31 vintage like rafale against an endless hoard of much superior j-20B which china can mass produce on whim... yet ,it should be China that ought to be scared.... Logic died .

oh Yeah. same logic we listen for 30MKI till last year. Good luck

 

[Salman876]

what can you do with airforce ? bombing here and there ? you can not get a piece of land for that you need army , but your army is not as capable as your pilots .

With air force, you can stop a mad neighbor from attacking you.

 

[Salman876]

Rafale is indeed a game changer, before rafale, IAF was completely useless against PLAAF, but now they will be able to challenge PLAAF and may be able to shot few PLAAF jets before defeat.

 

[Figaro]

Rafales are no game changers in their present form according to Ajay Shukla.
The jubilation around the arrival of 5 Rafales seems to overlook that:
1. They are arriving 9 months late.
2. They have no “India Specific Enhancements”, for which we paid €1.7 billion. Those will be fitted only after 2022.
3. The IAF is down to just 29 squadrons.

India should be very grateful for people like Ajay Shukla who still offer a voice of reason in an increasingly delusional country. How Indian people are brainwashed into believing they shot down a Pakistani F-16, killed 300 terrorists in the "surgical strike," and won the Galwan battle is nothing but shocking to me. Even in World War 2, both Germany and Japan at least had the decency to announce wartime defeats to the public (albeit watered down).

 

[Surya 1]

Why do you guys take S-400 so seriously?
China buys S-400 just to upgrade the old S-300.

S-400 is just like Su-35 to China.

S 400 sold to china is inferior to one sold to india.

 

[Figaro]

S 400 sold to china is inferior to one sold to india.

Yup keep on smoking that dope ... the higher you get, the more you'll believe that.

 

[My-Analogous]

S 400 sold to china is inferior to one sold to india.

And why Russia give inferior system to those who saved them many time recently economically and diplomatically? and give advance system to those who are now setting in US lap?

 

[Figaro]

And why Russia give inferior system to those who saved them many time recently economically and diplomatically? and give advance system to those who are now setting in US lap?

Forget the guy ... he says very provocative statements without backing it up with any evidence. The depth of the Indian Russian friendship can be seen when Russia extorted billions of dollars from India to outfit/refurbish the INS Vikramaditya carrier.

 

[Daghalodi]

S 400 sold to china is inferior to one sold to india.

 

[Daghalodi]

S 400 sold to china is inferior to one sold to india.

Conclusion:

Never take Indian BS seriously