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Yes, I admit we don't have conclusive proof of shooting down an F16.

Dear Proofs are only there if it happened. But nothing such happened then where from you get the proof. Simple logic as i said before truth is only one but lies have different versions. That is why IAF and Indian media have different stories. So for a sensible person its enough to say but for guys like you..ufff... no one can take you out from delusions.
 
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Brother dont trust Pakistan or Muslim , but please trust Non Muslim Gora Alan warnes who verified it that all missiles were intact on Mig 27
Why shouldn't we trust Muslims? And asking us to believe Alan Warnes is like Indians asking you to believe William Dalrymple.
 
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Brother dont trust Pakistan or Muslim , but please trust Non Muslim Gora Alan warnes who verified it that all missiles were intact on Mig 27

Brother, I've no grudges against any one.
But there was no Mig 27 involved in this event.
 
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YOu can't convince someone that decided not to agree no matter what. Now the boys wants HD photos or what if they soon start to believe that those are mock-ups. They have everything to divert attention but Abhinandan isn't coming on record to claim otherwise. Oh..man, the politically intended circus will continue as long as Modi & gang is convinced as such.

Touche buddy,
There are videos, enough to convince a jury but sadly your countrymen are hell bent on closing their eyes and ears..
 
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Read again what have you written. Answer is hidden in your post.
What ANSWER i didn't understand in my post PLEASE EXPLAIN it to me, when you have SPEECHLESS you guys always started to rants
 
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Touche buddy,
There are videos, enough to convince a jury but sadly your countrymen are hell bent on closing their eyes and ears..
By mistakes you indiont and there are lots of Indian media reporting from IOK that the they seeing some IAF jets crashed in IOK and two parachutes seeing there on same day
 
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Hope they get shot down by Chinese MANPADs

They will surely get shot down.

The Rafales that IAF will receive this month will be missing the following key features

The enhanced capabilities in the Rafale fighters sought by India will see 14 India Specific Enhancements Exclusive to be incorporated to India bound 36 Rafale fighter jets which will be added by the company once the delivery of all the jets is completed by 2022. 14 India Specific Enhancements for India bound Rafale fighter jets have been listed out

1) Upgraded Sigma 95N INS: A Hybrid inertial navigation/GPS system used on the Dassault Rafale fighter jets will now support Indian developed Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS ) also called as NAVIC which provides accurate real-time positioning and timing services for India and a region extending 1,500 km around it.

2) Upgraded RBE-2 AESA-MMR: RBE2 AESA radar developed by Thales will now feature Airborne weather radar which will come in handy to predict more timely and accurate weather conditions.

3) Enhanced OBOGS: Rafale fighter jet comes fitted with an onboard oxygen generation system (OBOGS) which suppresses the need for liquid oxygen re-filling or ground support for oxygen production, but India has asked for Enhanced OBOGS system which will have enhanced capacity supporting additional filters.

4) Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS): Thales developed Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) contains Air Traffic Surveillance Awareness capabilities like a Terrain Avoidance Warning System (TAWS) which will improve the level of awareness and comfort of the flight crew.

5) Tweaked M88 Engines: Rafale fighter jet which uses M88-4E engines will receive tweaks to its fuel starter so that engine can operate at optimum even at sub-zero high altitude air base of Indian air force.

6) IESI (Integrated Electronic Standby Instruments): Thales developed IESI will be installed to operate in a particular set of environmental conditions and features accurate low airspeed measurement to cope with the flight envelope while avoiding additional weight due to external air data computer.

7) Quad-Pack Ejectors: Rafale fighter jet will be getting French developed Quad-Pack Ejectors which can be used for low weight Stand-Off Weapon both of Indian and foreign origins.

8) X-Guard fiber-optic towed decoy system: India bound Rafale fighter jets will be getting X-Guard fibre-optic towed decoy system which is designed to counter air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles. Each aircraft carries two X-Guard towed decoy and can be released when the aircraft approaches a saturated area or when a threat is detected. The most suitable countermeasure is transmitted to the X-Guard by the aircraft’s electronic countermeasures system. The fiber-optic connection to the aircraft allows accurate jamming, says Rafael.

9) Tweaks to SPECTRA Electronic Warfare System: India specific threat libraries will be added and SPECTRA EW System will also feature Low- Medium and High band apertures to deal with low observable aircraft.

10) TARGO-II Helmet Mounted Display Systems Developed by ELBIT

11) Integration of LITENING G4 Target Acquisition Pod which are already used by Indian Air Force for its frontline fighter aircraft, including the Su-30 MKI, MiG-29

12) Integration of Rafael’s SPICE 1000 EO/GPS-guided munitions

13 ) MBDA developed Meteor BVRAAM and ALARM Anti-radiation missile

14) Assistance to be provided to local Indian Public sector companies for Integration of Weapons ranging from India’s Astra BVRAAM to High-speed low drag (HSLD) bombs with the aircraft’s weapons control system. India bound Rafale fighter jets are also rumored to later get specific Indian enhancements which can come handy in the delivery of Nuclear weapons, which obviously will not be confirmed by Indian or French governments.

https://idrw.org/14-india-specific-enhancements-exclusive-to-india-bound-rafale-fighter-jets/ .
 
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New Delhi (July 19): The Indian Air Force is reportedly planning to deploy the first batch of Rafale fighter jets in the Ladakh sector soon after they arrive in India on July 27 to bolster India’s military position in the region amid ongoing border tension with China.

The possible deployment of the fighter jets in the Ladakh sector is also on the agenda of the IAF commanders’ three-day conference which will begin on Wednesday, PTI reported, citing military sources.

During the key meet, senior commanders of the Indian Air Force will discuss in detail the country's air defence system and also carry out an in-depth review of it. The conference will commence from July 22 and will be headed by Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria and attended by all seven of his commanders-in-chief.

Indian and Chinese forces have been locked in a bitter border standoff in eastern Ladakh since early May this year. The two sides started the disengagement process earlier this month in the first step towards de-escalation of border tensions.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...genda-of-key-iaf-commanders-3-day-meet/623972

Nice to see India getting modern weapons to slay the little Emperors.
 
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They will surely get shot down.

The Rafales that IAF will receive this month will be missing the following key features

The enhanced capabilities in the Rafale fighters sought by India will see 14 India Specific Enhancements Exclusive to be incorporated to India bound 36 Rafale fighter jets which will be added by the company once the delivery of all the jets is completed by 2022. 14 India Specific Enhancements for India bound Rafale fighter jets have been listed out

1) Upgraded Sigma 95N INS: A Hybrid inertial navigation/GPS system used on the Dassault Rafale fighter jets will now support Indian developed Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS ) also called as NAVIC which provides accurate real-time positioning and timing services for India and a region extending 1,500 km around it.

2) Upgraded RBE-2 AESA-MMR: RBE2 AESA radar developed by Thales will now feature Airborne weather radar which will come in handy to predict more timely and accurate weather conditions.

3) Enhanced OBOGS: Rafale fighter jet comes fitted with an onboard oxygen generation system (OBOGS) which suppresses the need for liquid oxygen re-filling or ground support for oxygen production, but India has asked for Enhanced OBOGS system which will have enhanced capacity supporting additional filters.

4) Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS): Thales developed Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) contains Air Traffic Surveillance Awareness capabilities like a Terrain Avoidance Warning System (TAWS) which will improve the level of awareness and comfort of the flight crew.

5) Tweaked M88 Engines: Rafale fighter jet which uses M88-4E engines will receive tweaks to its fuel starter so that engine can operate at optimum even at sub-zero high altitude air base of Indian air force.

6) IESI (Integrated Electronic Standby Instruments): Thales developed IESI will be installed to operate in a particular set of environmental conditions and features accurate low airspeed measurement to cope with the flight envelope while avoiding additional weight due to external air data computer.

7) Quad-Pack Ejectors: Rafale fighter jet will be getting French developed Quad-Pack Ejectors which can be used for low weight Stand-Off Weapon both of Indian and foreign origins.

8) X-Guard fiber-optic towed decoy system: India bound Rafale fighter jets will be getting X-Guard fibre-optic towed decoy system which is designed to counter air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles. Each aircraft carries two X-Guard towed decoy and can be released when the aircraft approaches a saturated area or when a threat is detected. The most suitable countermeasure is transmitted to the X-Guard by the aircraft’s electronic countermeasures system. The fiber-optic connection to the aircraft allows accurate jamming, says Rafael.

9) Tweaks to SPECTRA Electronic Warfare System: India specific threat libraries will be added and SPECTRA EW System will also feature Low- Medium and High band apertures to deal with low observable aircraft.

10) TARGO-II Helmet Mounted Display Systems Developed by ELBIT

11) Integration of LITENING G4 Target Acquisition Pod which are already used by Indian Air Force for its frontline fighter aircraft, including the Su-30 MKI, MiG-29

12) Integration of Rafael’s SPICE 1000 EO/GPS-guided munitions

13 ) MBDA developed Meteor BVRAAM and ALARM Anti-radiation missile

14) Assistance to be provided to local Indian Public sector companies for Integration of Weapons ranging from India’s Astra BVRAAM to High-speed low drag (HSLD) bombs with the aircraft’s weapons control system. India bound Rafale fighter jets are also rumored to later get specific Indian enhancements which can come handy in the delivery of Nuclear weapons, which obviously will not be confirmed by Indian or French governments.

https://idrw.org/14-india-specific-enhancements-exclusive-to-india-bound-rafale-fighter-jets/ .
So instead of continuing the FGFA program and getting somewhat fifth gen fighters we now see what India has spent their money on ... wise move :partay:
 
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And where that infrastructure is located?

From where the money will come?

Ambala and Hashimara AFS.

And there is money, if the Govt wants to buy 36-44 more Rafales. India spends less than 1.5% of its GDP on defence. Time now to step it up to at least 2% of the GDP. The wake up call on the LAC with China will now mean that defence requests will be taken more seriously than they were earlier.

The first 5 Rafales of the IAF are due to arrive in India by July end. 3 Rafale DH twin seaters and 2 Rafale EH single seaters.

Just FYI, the H in Rafale DH and EH, stands for Hindustan.

IAF expects delivery of first 5 Rafale fighters in late July

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is expecting delivery of the first five of 36 Dassault Rafale multirole fighter aircraft before the end of July, according to a 20 July statement by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in New Delhi.

The aircraft are expected to be inducted at Ambala Air Force Station (AFS) in northern India on 29 July “subject to [the] weather”, said the MoD, adding that no media coverage is planned on arrival.

The final induction ceremony will take place in the second half of August.

“IAF aircrew and ground crew have undergone comprehensive training on the aircraft, including its highly advanced weapon systems, and are fully operational now. Post arrival, efforts will focus on operationalisation of the aircraft at the earliest,” added the MoD.

India ordered 36 Rafales in 2016 for EUR7.9 billion (USD9.04 billion) and took delivery of the first of these fighters in a ceremony held in France in October 2019.

This aircraft was initially expected to be one of four Rafales to be ferried to Ambala AFS in April or May for induction into the IAF’s No.17 ‘Golden Arrows’ squadron, which is set to operate a total of 18 Rafales. The delivery, however, was delayed as a result of the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.
 
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