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First Rafale will land in India by 2019: Trappier
Eric Trappier, chairman of the €3.6 billion Dassault Aviation, was recently in India to lay the foundation stone of Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL’s) manufacturing facility at Mihan in Nagpur. With production from DRAL expected to start as early as 2018 and the first Rafale expected to land in India in 2019, Mr. Trappier talks about Dassault’s future plans and getting repeat orders for Rafale combat jets from the Indian government. Edited excerpts:

When can we expect the first Rafale to land in India?

As we have planned, the first Rafale should land in India in 2019. It’s on track.

How many Rafale jets would be made in India as part of the offset clause?

It’s not a question of how many Rafale [jets] will be made in India for the first 36 order that we have got. Certain parts of Rafale and Falcon are going to be manufactured in India to start with. We will take a step-by-step approach and we will start manufacturing parts of Rafale in this facility. If there are new orders, we will look at manufacturing here. We are sure that it’s win-win situation. Manufacturing in India is going to be the next step and it depends upon the new orders. For the new orders for Rafale, the jet would be made totally in India.

How do you intend to fulfil the offset commitment of ₹30,000 crore of the ₹60,000 crore order?

This is something very important because our company has a very old history with India. We have been continuously supplying to India for the past 65 years. This was possible because of our aircraft and we have a very strategic relationship between France and India. Our government has signed an agreement to supply 36 Rafale jets to India with 50% offset obligation. We will fulfil all our contractual obligations.

What gives you the confidence that you will get repeat orders for Rafale?

As of now, we are proposing it to the government but it’s up to the government to go ahead. We have capability to prove that our fighter [jet] is good. It has been bought already. We will deliver the support. We now have the capability to manufacture the aircraft in India. We think we have the right tools to convince the government for repeat orders.

Is the scope of this partnership with Reliance restricted to Rafale?

This is a unique opportunity to start manufacturing in India. With our partner Reliance, we also intend to manufacture our business jet Falcon. The first Falcon will soon take off from Indian soil.

There are concerns in certain quarters that India is overpaying for the current Rafale deal. Your comments?

You have to ask them [the government] this question.

Why have you chosen Reliance Group, which with no prior experience in defence, as your JV Partner?

We are starting with a private company [that wants] to become a global player. I am a private company. It’s an equal partnership. We are investing €100 million for our 49% stake.

What employment opportunities will this JV create?

As chairman of French Aerospace Industries Association, I will lead a big delegation of French SMEs here in the coming months. Our facility here will support over 200 SMEs to secure the component and avionics manufacturing needs of Rafale and Falcon jets. It’s not only about Rafale and Dassault. Our French partners and partners of the Reliance Group will set up their facilities here.
http://www.thehindu.com/business/fi...in-india-by-2019-trappier/article20353791.ece

 

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First Rafale will land in India by 2019: Trappier
Eric Trappier, chairman of the €3.6 billion Dassault Aviation, was recently in India to lay the foundation stone of Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL’s) manufacturing facility at Mihan in Nagpur. With production from DRAL expected to start as early as 2018 and the first Rafale expected to land in India in 2019, Mr. Trappier talks about Dassault’s future plans and getting repeat orders for Rafale combat jets from the Indian government. Edited excerpts:

When can we expect the first Rafale to land in India?

As we have planned, the first Rafale should land in India in 2019. It’s on track.

How many Rafale jets would be made in India as part of the offset clause?

It’s not a question of how many Rafale [jets] will be made in India for the first 36 order that we have got. Certain parts of Rafale and Falcon are going to be manufactured in India to start with. We will take a step-by-step approach and we will start manufacturing parts of Rafale in this facility. If there are new orders, we will look at manufacturing here. We are sure that it’s win-win situation. Manufacturing in India is going to be the next step and it depends upon the new orders. For the new orders for Rafale, the jet would be made totally in India.

How do you intend to fulfil the offset commitment of ₹30,000 crore of the ₹60,000 crore order?

This is something very important because our company has a very old history with India. We have been continuously supplying to India for the past 65 years. This was possible because of our aircraft and we have a very strategic relationship between France and India. Our government has signed an agreement to supply 36 Rafale jets to India with 50% offset obligation. We will fulfil all our contractual obligations.

What gives you the confidence that you will get repeat orders for Rafale?

As of now, we are proposing it to the government but it’s up to the government to go ahead. We have capability to prove that our fighter [jet] is good. It has been bought already. We will deliver the support. We now have the capability to manufacture the aircraft in India. We think we have the right tools to convince the government for repeat orders.

Is the scope of this partnership with Reliance restricted to Rafale?

This is a unique opportunity to start manufacturing in India. With our partner Reliance, we also intend to manufacture our business jet Falcon. The first Falcon will soon take off from Indian soil.

There are concerns in certain quarters that India is overpaying for the current Rafale deal. Your comments?

You have to ask them [the government] this question.

Why have you chosen Reliance Group, which with no prior experience in defence, as your JV Partner?

We are starting with a private company [that wants] to become a global player. I am a private company. It’s an equal partnership. We are investing €100 million for our 49% stake.

What employment opportunities will this JV create?

As chairman of French Aerospace Industries Association, I will lead a big delegation of French SMEs here in the coming months. Our facility here will support over 200 SMEs to secure the component and avionics manufacturing needs of Rafale and Falcon jets. It’s not only about Rafale and Dassault. Our French partners and partners of the Reliance Group will set up their facilities here.
http://www.thehindu.com/business/fi...in-india-by-2019-trappier/article20353791.ece

It's very important to note that before Dassault needs a minimum of 90 Rafale to initiate the MII. Now a follow on order (ie 36 planes) seems enough.

 

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It's very important to note that before Dassault needs a minimum of 90 Rafale to initiate the MII. Now a follow on order (ie 36 planes) seems enough.

That's because there's probably assurance of more orders in the future. 36 will only allows kits assembly.

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...s-huge-scam/article20444680.ece?homepage=true

The Congress on Tuesday alleged that a "huge scam is brewing" in the Rafale deal and accused the Modi government of "promoting the interests of Prime Minister's crony capitalist friends”.

Addressing a press conference, Congress communication chief Randeep Surjewala said the Modi government violated the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and bypassed the interests of PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

"On April 10, Prime Minister Modi visits France and announces the deal for purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in flyaway condition. This was done unilaterally without following the DPP, without any inter-governmental agreement and in the absence of India's Defence Minister. However, Mr Anil Ambani, owner of Reliance Defence Limited, was present in France during the Prime Minister's visit," alleged Mr Surjewala.

Anil Ambani-led Reliance Defence Limited described the allegations as “baseless” and “unfounded” and asserted that Mr. Ambani was part of the PM’s delegation as a member of the Indo-French CEO Forum. “Shri Anil Ambani is a member of Indo- French CEO Forum. In the said meeting, more than 20 CEOs were present,” said a statement from the Reliance Defence Limited.

The Congress leader claimed that while the UPA government had signed the Rafale deal as a joint venture between its French maker, Dassault Aviation, and India's HAL, the Modi government cancelled the entire process on 30 July, 2015.

This in turn, alleged the Congress party, helped Reliance Defence Limited as they entered into a joint venture with Dassault.

Giving out a chronological sequence of the deal, the Congress party said while India signed the $8.7 billion deal on September 23 last year, just 10 days later, on October 3, 2016, Reliance Defence Limited entered into a joint venture with the French fighter plane maker.

"It is time for the PM to answer why the planes were bought at such an inflated costs? Is it not true that as per UPA negotiated price, the cost of one plane was Rs 526.1 crores whereas under NDA, the plane is costing Rs 1570 crores? Why was transfer of technology for HAL not insisted? And finally, has the joint venture between Dassault and Reliance Defence been cleared by the Union Cabinet?" asked the Congress leader.

Stating the joint venture between Reliance Defence and Dassault was between two private entities and the government didn’t have a role, Reliance Defence said, “Government policy issued on 24 June 2016 allows for 49% FDI in the Defence Sector under the automatic route, without any prior approval. No approvals from the Union Cabinet or CCS were required for the formation of the aforesaid Joint Venture company under the automatic route.”

When the Congress leader was asked why the party was raising the issue now, especially since all the facts about the Rafale deal were in public domain, Mr. Surjewala said, "No, we had raised it then as well. Former Defence Minister A.K Antony, Manish Tewari and myself had raised it outside as well in Parliament. We were told that nothing has been signed. The deal has been signed last September and since then we have trying to gather information."

 

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India's Opposition Smells Rat in Rafale Deal
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The Indian National Congress has questioned the rationale behind the Narendra Modi-led government's decision to purchase French Rafale jets at an inflated price.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — With France pushing for the sale of more Rafale combat jets to India, India's main opposition party, the Indian National Congress (INC), has charged the Narendra Modi-led government with violating serious defense purchase rules and has alleged that the Rafale deal undermines national interest and national security.

Citing a the series of questionable developments that led to the signing of the "costly" Rafale deal, the INC has demanded Prime Minister Narendra Modi answer every doubt the opposition has about the deal.

"Why is the Modi government buying 36 Rafale aircraft at a highly inflated price compared to the originally negotiated base price by the previous government? Is it not correct that the Modi government is buying 36 Rafale aircraft without the transfer of technology for $8.7 billion while the previous government had negotiated 126 Rafale aircraft at a base price of $10.2 billion along with the transfer of technology," Randeep Singh Surjewala, principal spokesperson of INC said.

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India Wants 36 More French-Made Rafale Fighter Jets
Surjewala said that a "huge scam" is brewing with regard to the procurement of fighter aircraft for the Indian Air Force. "Why was this done by Prime Minister bypassing the interests of a reputed public sector undertaking like Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)? Why has the joint venture for the biggest ever Indian defense deal between Dassault Aviation and Reliance Defence Limited not gone through the proper procedure of approval by the Union Cabinet, Cabinet Committee on Security and Foreign Investment Promotion Board?" Surjewala said.

The corruption allegation comes just a few days after the French defense minister along with Dassault Chairman Eric Trappier laid the foundation stone of Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited's (DRAL's) manufacturing facility at Mihan in India. The plant is expected to start production as early as 2018, and the first Rafale is expected to land in India in 2019. During his recent Indian tour, Trappier tried to evade the Indian media's question on why Dassault had inflated the price of 36 Rafale. "You have to ask the [Indian] government this question," Trappier had replied.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201711151059116739-rafale-india-scam/

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...f-bs-dhanoa/story-cgpjIpskxeiVcy8NT2gIqN.html

Indian Air Force chief BS Dhanoa

On technology transfer, he said, “Technology may not be going to the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) but it is coming to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and then to a lot of Indians”.

The IAF chief said a plan was in place to deal with the “drop-down” -- or dip -- in IAF squadrons.

He said the government had ordered two squadrons of Su 30.

“The drop-down will be made up by two Rafale, two Su 30, two LCA squadrons and 80 more aircraft which will give four more squadrons,” he said.

The government has authorised 42 squadrons to the IAF and at present there are 33.

He, however, added that the drop-down did not affect the performance of the force.

“It does not mean that we cannot carry out operations. We can do restricted operations. For carrying out full-spectrum operations the IAF needs a certain amount of force,” he said.

“There was an order of 272 aircraft and once again we were 35 short by March 2017,” he said.

Dhanoa said a contract was signed in March 2006 for 20 Tejas aircraft to be delivered between April 2009 and December 2010.

“Out of these 20 aircraft, only five were received ... Again a contract was signed in December 2010 for 20 more aircraft to be delivered between June 2014 and December 2016. So we have already committed to 40 aircraft in addition to 83 more Tejas,” he said.

He said the IAF would induct Mark 2 fighters with higher thrust engines and new weapons by 2027.

Shortcomings in LCA Mark 1 will be removed in the LCA Mark 1A aircraft and then Mark 2 will be manufactured, he said.

“Gradually we will make advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, moving from low medium to high technology aircraft,” he said. PTI VSD BDS

 

[Hindustani78]

The Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs of the Republic of France, Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drain meeting the Minister of State (I/C) for Power and New and Renewable Energy, Shri Raj Kumar Singh, in New Delhi on November 17, 2017.

The Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs of the Republic of France, Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drain meeting the Minister of State (I/C) for Power and New and Renewable Energy, Shri Raj Kumar Singh, in New Delhi on November 17, 2017. The Secretary, Ministry of Power, Shri Ajay Kumar Bhalla is also seen.

 

[Hindustani78]

Prime Minister's Office
17-November, 2017 17:48 IST
French Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs calls on PM



Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drian, Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs of France, called on Prime Minister Narendra Modi today.

He briefed the Prime Minister on recent developments in the bilateral relationship as follow-up to the Prime Minister’s visit to France in June 2017.

The Prime Minister appreciated the contribution of Mr. Le Drian to the growing India-France engagement, in his current role as well as in his earlier role as Defence Minister of France.

The Prime Minister said that the significance of India-France Strategic Partnership is not limited to the bilateral context, but acts as a force for peace and stability in the regional and global context as well.

The Prime Minister also said that he looks forward to receiving President Macron in India at his earliest convenience.

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[Hindustani78]

The Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs of France, Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drian meeting the Union Minister for Finance and Corporate Affairs, Shri Arun Jaitley, in New Delhi on November 17, 2017.

 

[rajiv sharma]

That's because there's probably assurance of more orders in the future. 36 will only allows kits assembly.

or perhaps my government has struck a deal to rope in dassault for AMCA program and the plans are bigger and long term vizaviz fighter jet's production , although it is only a guess from my side

 

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or perhaps my government has struck a deal to rope in dassault for AMCA program and the plans are bigger and long term vizaviz fighter jet's production , although it is only a guess from my side

It's possible.
I'm not sure Dassault see his futur in europe.... Europe purchasing US planes

 

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or perhaps my government has struck a deal to rope in dassault for AMCA program and the plans are bigger and long term vizaviz fighter jet's production , although it is only a guess from my side

We are discussing this stuff on another forum.

GoI has probably asked the IAF to choose between a SE MII and TE MII, and IAF will obviously choose TE MII. So advantage LCA.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Rafale makers invite French SMEs to set up shop in India
After securing a deal to sell 36 Rafale fighters jets to India, and not withstanding the political brouhaha that has erupted in its wake, Dassault Aviation is looking to attract and house an organic ecosystem of French SMEs in India. The aim is to secure its component manufacturing needs here.

France’s Centre Val de Loire Regional Council and Aerocentre invited the companies behind the development of the Rafale fighter jet, Dassault Aviation, Safran and Thales — which together make up Rafale International — to showcase and present to the SMEs in the region, how they are helping set up an industrial aeronautical sector in India.

Some 50-odd small businesses in France were present on the occasion. The companies spoke on how they would be contributing to ‘Make in India’ as part of the Rafale offset programme, even as they presented the many opportunities available for French SMEs to invest and set up production facilities in India.

Defining a roadmap for the French SMEs to help them join the Dassault Aviation, Safran and Thales global supply chain, the companies said the initiative would help bolster the industrial ecosystem already under way in India, and would benefit both French and Indian partners.

Meantime, components for the Dassault Falcon 2000s are also to be made in India from the first quarter of next year, when the joint venture Dassault Reliance Aerospace manufacturing facility opens up in Mihan, Nagpur.

After the facility gains expertise in manufacturing components for the Falcon 2000 jets, it could also expand capabilities to include final assembly of Rafale fighters.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Rafale-makers-invite-French-SMEs-to-set-up-shop-in-India-454808

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...es-to-set-up-shop-in-india/article9976722.ece

 

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We are discussing this stuff on another forum.

which one ?
Thanks.

 

[randomradio]

which one ?
Thanks.

The one we have abandoned.