Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

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Livefist @livefist · 1h1 hour ago
Sources: HAL-Dassault meetings lined up this week to fix Rafale licensee-licensor issues and evolve damages/guarantee arrangement. #MMRCA

1 Mar 2015


@halloweene : So whom should we expect? UYou Think CEO Dassault Eric Trappier would be personally here or Whom you feel may attend this crucial meeting? Especially since it involves negotiation and finalization of teething issues with HAL

 

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[halloweene]

Livefist @livefist · 1h1 hour ago
Sources: HAL-Dassault meetings lined up this week to fix Rafale licensee-licensor issues and evolve damages/guarantee arrangement. #MMRCA

1 Mar 2015


@halloweene : So whom should we expect? UYou Think CEO Dassault Eric Trappier would be personally here or Whom you feel may attend this crucial meeting? Especially since it involves negotiation and finalization of teething issues with HAL

i honestly do not know.

 

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[halloweene]

Absolutely . I hope i'll know more the 11th at yearly Dassault press conference.

 

[sancho]

i honestly do not know.

What about the recent statements of the MoD wrt giving Dassault inspection rights, in return for guarantees of the full production? So far I didn't saw any official reaction from Dassault on that. What's your estimate, will Dassault finally move?

 

[sancho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/571587242054983680

Retd Air Marshal of Indian Air Force

 

[airmarshal]

Is India buying only the land based version or carrier based version as well?

 

[SQ8]

For those hit by Rafale Blues. An alternative Timeline.

Boeing F/A-18IN "वरटा" / Varata. MMRCA

 

[tsarbomba]

For those hit by Rafale Blues. An alternative Timeline.

Boeing F/A-18IN "वरटा" / Varata. MMRCA

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They rejected it for some reason, and besides, the MMRCA aircrafts will be in service for ~3 decades. The F/A-18 doesn't seem very attractive when you take that into picture.

 

[sancho]

Is India buying only the land based version or carrier based version as well?

The carrier version would only come under consideration for IAC 2, as additional Migs and NLCAs are considered for the first 2 carriers.

For those hit by Rafale Blues. An alternative Timeline.

Add CFTs, the weapon pod and put it on an Indian carrier and you might see a realistic choice for IN.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Add CFTs, the weapon pod and put it on an Indian carrier and you might see a realistic choice for IN.

Really sir? You think the IN are going to be interested in a "pimped up" 4.5 gen fighter (as lovely as she is) to fly off her next generation of carriers whose induction will begin only in the mid 2020s and will be expected to serve for over 30 years? The F-18's future growth is limited when compared to something like the Rafale but even then the Rafale's longevity/relevance is barely a decade longer than the F-18s would be.

Realistically it needs to be a 5th gen fighter for the IAC-2 but the Rafale-M may get a look in because of the IAF's induction of the type but the issue of obsolescence will persist beyond, say, 2040.

 

[sancho]

Really sir? You think the IN are going to be interested in a "pimped up" 4.5 gen fighter (as lovely as she is) to fly off her next generation of carriers whose induction will begin only in the mid 2020s and will be expected to serve for over 30 years?

Well they even take low capable 4th gen fighters for the first to carriers and NLCA as we know will arrive only beyond 2020 to, which makes the Silent Hornet far more capable than anything Indian Navy will have right? So, yes they will be interested in it, which however doesn't mean that they will put all their hopes only on the F18SH, but as a secondary fighter. be it next to F35Cs, N-FGFAs or N-AMCAs. As I told you before, it's the most cost-effective choice if we have to buy back fighters for EMALS and it's also a logical choice to base a naval AMCA on, if we could get a team up with Boing approved. That's practically what Boeing is offering S. Korea, a KFX based on the F18SH and possibly could be an offer to DRDO too, which again shows that it makes more sense to develop AMCA as carrier fighter first, but that's another issue.

The F-18's future growth is limited when compared to something like the Rafale but even then the Rafale's longevity/relevance is barely a decade longer than the F-18s would be.

Only based on the production timeline, but not on technical upgrades since the USN will keep using it in high numbers for decades too.
Rafales potential in India is far lower today, than it was in 2012 or before, because Dassault delayed things so far, till more options were available. NLCA, EMALS, US government more open to share and the Russians were always an option anyway. Just sad, when you consider what potential Rafale and France as a whole had in India, but that's how it is now.

 

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Rafale equipped with Meteor, at nightfall, after a test flight
Courtesy Last pic @ Olybrius