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Special team for Rafale readies ground work, to visit France

Chethan Kumar | TNN | Updated: Oct 4, 2016, 09.39 PM IST

BENGALURU: Indian Air Force's (IAF) elite test pilots are preparing the groundwork for constituting a project management team that will soon travel to France and work with Dassault in customising the aircraft for India's operational needs. India signed a Rs 60,000 crore deal with Dassault to procure 36 fighters under the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme recently.

The team will be constituted at the Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) headquartered in Bengaluru, its commandant Air Vice Marshal Sandeep Singh confirmed to TOI.

It was ASTE which did the field trials for all six contenders—Lockheed Martin's F-16; Boeing's F/A-18 E/F; European Eurofighter Typhoon; the Swedish Gripen; the French Dassault's Rafale and the Russian Mig-35.

Out of the six contenders only the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale met all the 750 quality requirements, including weapon systems. ASTE clarified that they do not compare aircraft and that only clear them based on requirement and that the decision of picking one is made at a higher level.

Singh, explained that the team, once constituted will have pilots, engineers and air crew. "The size of the team will vary. For the Su-30MKI for example, we had a 10 member team," he said.

 

[ashok321]

Special team for Rafale readies ground work, to visit France
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...work-to-visit-France/articleshow/54681720.cms

BENGALURU: Indian Air Force's (IAF) elite test pilots are preparing the groundwork for constituting a project management team that will soon travel to France and work with Dassault in customising the aircraft for India's operational needs. India signed a Rs 60,000 crore deal with Dassault to procure 36 fighters under the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme recently.

The team will be constituted at the Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) headquartered in Bengaluru, its commandant Air Vice Marshal Sandeep Singh confirmed to TOI.

It was ASTE which did the field trials for all six contenders—Lockheed Martin's F-16; Boeing's F/A-18 E/F; European Eurofighter Typhoon; the Swedish Gripen; the French Dassault's Rafale and the Russian Mig-35.

Out of the six contenders only the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale met all the 750 quality requirements, including weapon systems. ASTE clarified that they do not compare aircraft and that only clear them based on requirement and that the decision of picking one is made at a higher level.

Singh, explained that the team, once constituted will have pilots, engineers and air crew. "The size of the team will vary. For the Su-30MKI for example, we had a 10 member team," he said.

Given that the ASTE has already flown Rafale, a smaller team will be going to France. The advantage that this will give the IAF is that it will bring back a known platform, which its pilots understand.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Special team for Rafale readies ground work, to visit France

Chethan Kumar | TNN | Updated: Oct 4, 2016, 09.39 PM IST

BENGALURU: Indian Air Force's (IAF) elite test pilots are preparing the groundwork for constituting a project management team that will soon travel to France and work with Dassault in customising the aircraft for India's operational needs. India signed a Rs 60,000 crore deal with Dassault to procure 36 fighters under the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme recently.

The team will be constituted at the Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) headquartered in Bengaluru, its commandant Air Vice Marshal Sandeep Singh confirmed to TOI.

It was ASTE which did the field trials for all six contenders—Lockheed Martin's F-16; Boeing's F/A-18 E/F; European Eurofighter Typhoon; the Swedish Gripen; the French Dassault's Rafale and the Russian Mig-35.

Out of the six contenders only the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale met all the 750 quality requirements, including weapon systems. ASTE clarified that they do not compare aircraft and that only clear them based on requirement and that the decision of picking one is made at a higher level.

Singh, explained that the team, once constituted will have pilots, engineers and air crew. "The size of the team will vary. For the Su-30MKI for example, we had a 10 member team," he said.

The amount of knowledge ASTE build up must be immense and of real strategic value to the IAF as a whole.

These are the guys that ensure every asset that enters IAF service is 100% what the IAF demands.

 

[BON PLAN]

Special team for Rafale readies ground work, to visit France

Chethan Kumar | TNN | Updated: Oct 4, 2016, 09.39 PM IST

BENGALURU: Indian Air Force's (IAF) elite test pilots are preparing the groundwork for constituting a project management team that will soon travel to France and work with Dassault in customising the aircraft for India's operational needs. India signed a Rs 60,000 crore deal with Dassault to procure 36 fighters under the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme recently.

The team will be constituted at the Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) headquartered in Bengaluru, its commandant Air Vice Marshal Sandeep Singh confirmed to TOI.

It was ASTE which did the field trials for all six contenders—Lockheed Martin's F-16; Boeing's F/A-18 E/F; European Eurofighter Typhoon; the Swedish Gripen; the French Dassault's Rafale and the Russian Mig-35.

Out of the six contenders only the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale met all the 750 quality requirements, including weapon systems. ASTE clarified that they do not compare aircraft and that only clear them based on requirement and that the decision of picking one is made at a higher level.

Singh, explained that the team, once constituted will have pilots, engineers and air crew. "The size of the team will vary. For the Su-30MKI for example, we had a 10 member team," he said.

Oh! Un petit nouveau sur ce forum .....
Bienvenue.

 

[ashok321]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/05/inpk-o05.html

France’s sale of Rafale jets to India stokes Indo-Pakistani war tensions

France’s decision to sell 36 nuclear-capable Rafale fighters to India is a reckless act that is stoking the danger of war in South Asia and globally.

French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian and his Indian counterpart, Manohar Parrikar, signed the contract for the €7.75 billion (US $ 8.7 billion) Rafale deal in New Delhi on September 23 in the midst of a mounting war crisis between India and its arch-rival Pakistan.

This crisis has since escalated, with India carrying out military strikes inside Pakistan on the night of September 28-29 that it boasts inflicted “heavy casualties.” The strikes, the first India has publicly admitted to carrying out inside Pakistan in more than four decades, have pushed South Asia’s rival nuclear-armed states to the brink of war.

The Rafale deal is one of India’s largest-ever arms purchases and was the subject of protracted and at times testy negotiations between Paris and New Delhi stretching over several years. That said, it is all but certain that India’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government decided to accelerate finalizing the deal, or at least its announcement and the formal contract signing, to send a bellicose message to Pakistan.

The Indian government announced the impending signing of the Rafale contracts on September 21 as it was elaborating plans with the military, intelligence services and diplomatic corps over how to “punish” Pakistan for the attack three days before on the military base at Uri, in Indian-held Kashmir.

Without so much as a cursory investigation, the BJP government blamed the Uri attack on Pakistan and vowed that it would avenge the 18 Indian soldiers who died in it.

The significance of the Rafale purchase was underscored by the subhead theIndian Express gave to its article announcing the Sep tember 23 contract signing: “India is keen on inducting the Rafale fighter jets in the Indian Air Force for their strategic role to deliver nuclear weapons.”

The fighter jet’s manufacturer, Dessault Aviation, markets it as being capable of carrying out a wide range of short and long-range missions, including ground and sea attacks, reconnaissance, high-accuracy strikes and—most significantly—nuclear strikes.

For their part, Indian officials are openly boasting about the boost the induction of the Rafale fighters will provide to India’s nuclear strike capabilities against both Pakistan and China.

“The French Air Force, L’Armee de l’Air, is shifting from Mirages to Rafales for its nuclear strike role this year,” said an Indian defence official. “They have already started the process, and although our nuclear delivery systems are different from theirs, it does tell us that the Rafale is suited for that task.”

Based on information fed it by the military, the Indian Express carried an article Monday titled “India’s Rafale deal is leaving China rattled: Here’s why.” The article noted that the Rafales India is purchasing will come equipped with “Beyond Visual Range Meteor Missiles.” This will al low them to shoot missiles at a 150 kilometer distance and without even entering enemy territory.

In addition to meeting with his Indian counterpart, French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian spent an hour in discussion with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. At the conclusion of their talks, Le Drian hailed the arms deal as “an historic decision that opens a new chapter in our relations,” while Modi replied, “The partnership between France and India was advancing at a walking pace. Now it will proceed at the speed of a Rafale.”

The agreement calls for India and France to collaborate closely in the construction of the fighter jets, but New Delhi apparently did not succeed in securing large-scale technology transfers.

Half of the deal’s value is in contracts for missiles and spare parts to keep the Rafale jets running for the next 40 years without any supply shortages. Safran, Thales, and other major French companies will participate in making key parts for the jets.

The vast sums to be spent on fighter-bombers—that could deliver nuclear destruction to millions, even tens of millions, of people—are all the more obscene given the poverty facing broad masses of workers and rural toilers in India. UN statistics show that 270 million Indians, or roughly 22 percent of the country’s 1.2 billion population, lived below the official poverty line of $1.25 per day in 2012. Child labor involves tens of millions of Indian children, while Indian villages lack proper road and sanitary infrastructure and in some cases even electricity.

The signing of the Rafale deal is the product of mounting geostrategic tensions in Asia in the context of the US “Pivot to Asia,” which is aimed at strategically isolating and preparing for war against China.

Under Modi, India has integrated itself ever more deeply into the US military-strategic offensive against China, while seeking to assert itself as South Asia’s regional hegemon and a leading Indian Ocean power.

Modi’s government has made a series of provocative moves against Beijing. It has increased India’s military presence on its border with China, supported the US’ provocative campaign against China over the South China Sea, and in late August signed an agreement with Washington that allows the US military to use Indian bases for refueling, resupply, and relaxation.

This is now cutting across India’s ties with Russia, one of its most important and longstanding strategic partners and traditionally it principal weapons supplier. India and Russia, or before 1991 the Soviet Union, pursued broad military and commercial ties after the partition of the subcontinent in 1947, into rival communal bourgeois states, an explicitly Muslim Pakistan and a predominantly Hindu India.

During the Cold War, India signed a “treaty of friendship” with the Soviet Union in 1971 and depended on it for most of its planes and other advanced weaponry.

However, as India has aligned itself with US imperialism, Russia has moved into ever closer strategic alignment with China, as both countries are threatened with war by the United States—over Syria, Ukraine, the South China Sea, or other flashpoints. Under these conditions, India has become increasingly wary about relying on Russia as its principal source of high-tech weaponry, fearing it might suddenly become unavailable if a war erupted.

As has often happened in the past, France has sought to profit from such tensions and to sell arms by presenting itself as a more reliable military partner, more closely aligned with Indian interests.

Much of the profits to be made from the Rafale deal will go to the principal shareholder of Dassault Aviation, Serge Dassault, whose fortune of €20 billion makes him France’s fifth-richest individual.

 

[[Bregs]]

are yaar koi credible site ki news post kar liya karo , lol what socilaist web site my foot.

Rafale is going to be inducted after 3 yrs and its stroking war today in anticipation

 

[BON PLAN]

Much of the profits to be made from the Rafale deal will go to the principal shareholder of Dassault Aviation, Serge Dassault, whose fortune of €20 billion makes him France’s fifth-richest individual.

And ?
Don't you think the shareholders of Lockeed Martin aren't in the same way ?

Dassault is a pure pricate company. And the mains shareholders are the Marcel Dassault family.
Technically and financially it's a nice adventure !

" Longue vie à la société Dassault "

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

Not everyone is able to digest the Rafale deal. I have confirmed alert about atleast 2 leading news portals soon ( by this night ) coming with articles about India not likely to buy more Rafale due to high costs according to "" Government Official "", OR " NO more Rafales than the 36, at this moment as IAF wants a light aircraft ".

Remember me when within 24 hours you see it.

 

[[Bregs]]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy

Not everyone is able to digest the Rafale deal. I have confirmed alert about atleast 2 leading news portals soon ( by this night ) coming with articles about India not likely to buy more Rafale due to high costs according to "" Government Official "".

Remember me when within 24 hours you see it.

Maximum heart burn this deal might caused to is America

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Maximum heart burn this deal might caused to is America

Equal burns to America , Sweden and Russia.

Russia and America would be less fuming because they have some very important deals in works.

 

[halloweene]

The funny part is the usual chinese quibbling : they keep improving vastly their military ordnance, but if a neighbour do the same it is "provocative".

 

[[Bregs]]

The funny part is the usual chinese quibbling : they keep improving vastly their military ordnance, but if a neighbour do the same it is "provocative".

Spot on you are

 

[Taygibay]

We should not forget that as part of this deal €1.8BN is for Indian specific upgrades that include an as of yet untested/uncertified uprated engine and specific customer (India) nominated weapon/system integration work from third parties (BEL, RAFAEL, ELTA etc).

I'm sure the more informed members such as @Picdelamirand-oil , @halloweene , @BON PLAN , @Taygibay Etc can comment further about these sorts of things do not and cannot happen overnight. There are set procedures in place that will take their own course, no amount of wishes from the Indian side will change that.

I said as much earlier, mate. The development of the engine is likely the longest lead.
Pods from Israel may not be so long and there's commonality with
the Qatari order. The HMDS depends on which. [ Fr. done / Foreign, longer ]
But yes, testing follows precise guidelines and procedures although cash
input can quicken it somewhat.

as clearly the Indian deal is far more complex and exhaustive than any other export deal thus far and will demand vastly more work, it isn't a case of a simple off the shelf delivery of the French standards.

Yes and no. With the very first order, Dassault "learned" how to replace some equipment
such as comm links and the likes. With Qatar, it started working on new inclusions.
You could say that the Rafale production is transitioning out of single customer mode.
Plus, Dassault had the configuration since the talks began and it changed little recently ...
remember how DM MP said the last few months were on price negotiations only?

The Rafale isn't simply a "plug and play" system, the IAF will have to work very hard to integrate it into their force.

Not really on two very different counts.
First, the Rafale itself is very plug and play and so is its maintenance organization.
Remember, an hour and a half exchange time for most sub-systems, + for the engine.
OSF, AESA-PESA, etc.
Second, as you mentioned, there is the standard development work that will prepare
the IAF via its ASTE tech team. An Indian could still be onboard for a validation flight
of the Meteor for example as these are not finished. And just as Qatar, you could request
a test bed sent to India soon ( next year ) for exploratory work.
Bases prep is probable the longest item in IAF control.

RS22000 cr export opportunity via Rafale deal for Indian industry;10% of Rafale deal value is related to Tech transfer
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ssions-thread-2.230070/page-394#ixzz4MEGB0S48
... India is paying a 10% premium for "ToT"; is anyone seriously going to try and make the case now that the French have agreed to part with some of their Crown Jewels for "just" €800m and 36 jets?

Good indication unless related to adaptations.
Paying for ToT outright gives you max results.

Oh! Un petit nouveau sur ce forum .....

Sur ce forum seulement. / In this forum only.
Good thing that smiley was there ...

And good day all, Tay.

 

[mike2000 is back]

And ?
Don't you think the shareholders of Lockeed Martin aren't in the same way ?

Dassault is a pure pricate company. And the mains shareholders are the Marcel Dassault family.
Technically and financially it's a nice adventure !

" Longue vie à la société Dassault "

Well said mon pote.

 

[ashok321]

India Unlikely To Buy Additional Rafale Fighter Jets, MoD Source Says

http://www.defensenews.com/articles...dditional-rafale-fighter-jets-mod-source-says