Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[MKC]

India will have just thirty six rafales and the fify mirage,2000/9.that are being upgraded.

Su30mki induction is finished soon at 272 planes by 2018 I think.

Total effort on light single engines cheap tejss lca only from now on

I think ~320 MKIs are already orderd, obviously IAF can't stick just to LCA as IAF will retire about 500 aircrafts by 2025.

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @SrNair

I'll take this news with a pintch of salt,let's wait for official confirmations.
If it's true,this is a good news,FINALLY.

@Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

Brace yourselves,Brits,we won't break your Hawk deal record.

Well 10 years of UPA was curse to India, nothing happened on defence front except P8I deal & scandals, even this MMRCA deal was announced before UPA, Scorpene submarines plans too.

Unless there will be a large number of follow-on orders, preferably with local manufacturing, it doesn't make sense to spend so much money for so few jets. It doesn't make sense to purchase this few jets at all.

So I really hope there would be additional orders of a 100+. All those recent rumblings about setting up a western manufacturing line in India had better be the Rafale.

But that makes me wonder, why the piecemeal orders? Why not exercise the follow on orders together? Wasn't the intent of MRCA always 126+ jets? Why not buy 36, and simultaneously order 90+ to be made in India? What is the need for more negotiations?

(Of course, I'm assuming this is only the first batch. If these 36 are all we intend to order, 8.8 billion dollars could have been spent way better.)

by the way i m not shocked with the news coz i knew india will get it..in decent cost..11million to 8 million..its fair enough.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

CONGRATULATIONS..

i said what i could after getting to know when i posted in the sticky..

i gave the hint on tuesday

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-192#post-8237913

it was good nobody picked it up too much then


and then

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-193#post-8242769

its in line with what i earlier said about less than Euro 8bn or less than Rs 60000 crs.. i was hoping for 56000 crs but i am still fine with 59000 crs..

potential for jets in merignac line is more like 100 and indian line is 300.. unless something changes drastically IAF+IN together will operate 400 rafales mostly the Rafale of F3R2 and NG designations..

Its gonna be a quasi 5th Gen and will provide us with a unmatched capability...

so its time for

ps: time for multiple green ticks and positive ratings for me!!!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

CONGRATULATIONS..

i said what i could after getting to know when i posted in the sticky..

i gave the hint on tuesday

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-192#post-8237913

it was good nobody picked it up too much then


and then

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-193#post-8242769

its in line with what i earlier said about less than Euro 8bn or less than Rs 60000 crs.. i was hoping for 56000 crs but i am still fine with 59000 crs..

potential for jets in merignac line is more like 100 and indian line is 300.. unless something changes drastically IAF+IN together will operate 400 rafales mostly the Rafale of F3R2 and NG designations..

Its gonna be a quasi 5th Gen and will provide us with a unmatched capability...

so its time for

ps: time for multiple green ticks and positive ratings for me!!!

 

[باپ]

Wake me up when agreement is signed. The report says "Agreement to be signed in 3-4 weeks".
We have been seeing similar news reports for over a decade now

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@PARIKRAMA

 

[Dash]

Follow the sticky thread of Rafale. You will know that if going west is the desire, then cheap is not an option.

Even if someone goes through the entire rafale sticky in this forum or any forum in the universe known and unknown, they will ask you the same question.

PS some one means new guy

 

[ravi gupta]

7.8 billion Euros= 8.82 billion USD. Considering this much money is for 36 jets then the figure for 1 Rafale I am getting is making me think to revisit my maths. Whats the complete package and whats the price tag per aircraft fixed now?

Boss,there is no cost for your defence,its a good and much awaited news.
Will celebrate today.

 

[shah1398]

Boss,there is no cost for your defence,its a good and much awaited news.
Will celebrate today.

Plz celebrate to your full. Accomplishments shud always be celebrated.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The lift comes from delta wings. Canrads are for better maneuverability..


Hmmm, that to me sounds like very convenient timing for India, hopefully the MoD/IN utilises this opportunity and the French side makes such sensible offers for India. That is almost perfect timing.

Today is a good day my friend... As I have thought the deal to be around 9 billion USD, has come true. And tbh no matter how much you scold DM mp, I can say he cracked it albeit with other ones.

I hope we can soon close this may mentally torturing me thread and have some fresh air.

Enthusiasts have struggled for long being one of the oldest us. We can work something new out.

What say?[/QUOTE]
Might be a good idea once the contracts are signed to lock this thread and start a new thread "Indian Rafale deliveries and updTes thread" or something.


I agree it would be good to start afresh

CONGRATULATIONS..

i said what i could after getting to know when i posted in the sticky..

i gave the hint on tuesday

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https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-192#post-8237913

it was good nobody picked it up too much then


and then
View attachment 300547

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-193#post-8242769

its in line with what i earlier said about less than Euro 8bn or less than Rs 60000 crs.. i was hoping for 56000 crs but i am still fine with 59000 crs..

potential for jets in merignac line is more like 100 and indian line is 300.. unless something changes drastically IAF+IN together will operate 400 rafales mostly the Rafale of F3R2 and NG designations..

Its gonna be a quasi 5th Gen and will provide us with a unmatched capability...

so its time for

ps: time for multiple green ticks and positive ratings for me!!!

You deserve all the plaudits you get brother.


+ @Dash I'm willing to cut the the DM some slack now, it seems there may have been a plan all along

News in the last 3 days has been especially enlightening- 25 LCA/year is the target (with private player participation) so 250-300 LCA are assured along with 300+ MKI and 200+ Rafales and at some point the FGFA and AMCA will follow. In short, it has been assured that IAF will be the air power in Asia.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

+ @Dash I'm willing to cut the the DM some slack now, it seems there may have been a plan all along

News in the last 3 days has been especially enlightening- 25 LCA/year is the target (with private player participation) so 250-300 LCA are assured along with 300+ MKI and 200+ Rafales and at some point the FGFA and AMCA will follow. In short, it has been assured that IAF will be the air power in Asia.

And LSA to keep USA mollified.

 

[IndianSudhakar]

1) Based on what @PARIKRAMA said...India is going to use Rafale for Navy too... So Rafale is going to dominate Indian Airforce.
2) France seems to be rewarded for their neutral stance during Indian Nuclear tests.
3) With the strengthening of Indian Air Force, India position will become very strong and will encourage china to be "friendly"
4) The strategic balance between India and Pakistan will be tilted decisively.

BTW i love this plane. So beautiful it looks....

 

[Abingdonboy]

And LSA to keep USA mollified.

LSA because the IN wants it. The US can forget CISMOA and BECA.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

I will only say, that if we waited so long. Then wait for the agreement to be signed.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

LSA because the IN wants it. The US can forget CISMOA and BECA.

But timing (just a day before announcement of Rafale deal).

I for one would never want US/US-MIC in my opposition camp (if I already do not have bad relations with US already). Their MIC has a capability to make Rafales useless by arming Pakistan appropriately (If they are mad enough at us for not buying teens),and do so at deep discounts.

 

[volatile]

Once again Congrats by the way you should thank Pak for starting Avionic deal with them .