Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Zain Malik]

Ahh not again Indians.....You did this two times before.......

India, France narrow down differences; Rafale deal in final stage
New Delhi, Apr 16, 2016, (PTI):

The negotiations over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets have enered the "final stages" as both India and France have managed to narrow down their differences over the pricing.

Government sources said that the deal has not been concluded yet but it is in "final stages".

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/540685/india-france-narrow-down-differences.html

But I don't think so it conclude.....What do you say @Windjammer

 

[Immortan.Joe]

@Abingdonboy @Picdelamirand-oil @PARIKRAMA

Are you sure that Rafale-M could fly from IAC-I?

I am not as IAC-I was designed with specifications of Mig-29K and may or may not be suitable for Rafale, and even if suitable, it may or may not be optimum for it.

+ Could Rafale even fly from STOBAR carriers?

 

[Windjammer]

Ahh not again Indians.....You did this two times before.......


But I don't think so it conclude.....What do you say @Windjammer

Rafale was selected back in 2012.....that was over four years ago......let's see what can happen in four weeks...and then how long it takes for the first aircraft to be delivered. !!!

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Ahh not again Indians.....You did this two times before.......


But I don't think so it conclude.....What do you say @Windjammer

Indians know this and that's the reason why so few are here at present. Everyone playing safe.

This news was given this morning, by our 007 , aka @PARIKRAMA in the sticky thread, when nothing was announced.... so this time everyone is a bit positive. Just that everyone is playing it safe.

 

[Abingdonboy]

But that makes me wonder, why the piecemeal orders? Why not exercise the follow on orders together? Wasn't the intent of MRCA always 126+ jets? Why not buy 36, and simultaneously order 90+ to be made in India? What is the need for more negotiations?

More Rafales are assured now and Dassualt is in advanced stages of signing the deal for the follow-on tranche (90 units) to be made in India.

The reason for this "pericmeal" ordering? Explictly what the PM has said- meeting the immediate needs of the IAF. So of the orginal 126 requirement (that was always just a minimum anyway) 18 were to be off the shelf- under the new deal that has been doubled (to 36) and thus faster delivery will occur to meet the IAF who is rapidly losing its SQN strength.

Why the two deals couldn't be signed together? The 36 off the shelf jets have been pursued through a G-G deal with the French and Indian Govts taking the lead but the follow-on units to be made in India are being pursued in a SEPERATE commercial deal where Dassualt is in talks with private Indian companies and thus the complexity of the latter is VAST and inherently different to the 36 G-G deal and thus require a bit more time and attention. That being said Dassualt's CEO said in Febuary that they were already in the advanced stages of talks with Indian partners for the follow-on Make in India deal, now this 36 off the shelf deal is out of the way attention can and will shift to the more important Make in India part.

Do not forget these current talks in the present form are about 12 months old (April 2015-April 2016) with the MMRCA talks being entirely scrapped and an entirely new process being intiated that is very different to the MMRCA (the Make in India part now being private industry lead and not HAL led). All in all one has to complement both sides for getting a deal of this magnitude agreed in 12/13 months, but of course this will be forgotten and people will attach absurd timelines to this agreement (8 years,7 years or 4 years).

 

[Sankpal]

Ahh not again Indians.....You did this two times before.......


But I don't think so it conclude.....What do you say @Windjammer

Have you read it?

News itself saying contract will sign MaxiMuM by May end

if prise issue solved than deal is 99% done

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

https://twitter.com/x/status/720994567839809536

As said its not just about 36!

 

[Dash]

No Pakistani is commenting on this thread and neither there is statement from Pakistani government but somehow there is shortage of burnol in Pakistan.

Talk about bharati obsession with Pakistan. Even burnol can't cure it.



Lol "final stages"

What is left to comment for you nomads? When Indian newspapers are filled with the closure of the deal??

And why final stages? Coz contract will be signed in two weeks let's say a month also is fine as long as the price issue stands resolved. But you won't get it as you only have your mighty F 16s and you can't even protest

https://twitter.com/x/status/720994567839809536

Now Saurabh Jha is jumping guns

 

[sathya]

@Abingdonboy @Picdelamirand-oil @PARIKRAMA

Are you sure that Rafale-M could fly from IAC-I?

I am not as IAC-I was designed with specifications of Mig-29K and may or may not be suitable for Rafale, and even if suitable, it may or may not be optimum for it.

+ Could Rafale even fly from STOBAR carriers?

We also should not forget about N LCA .
It will be in the mix with Mig29k , not sure about cartobar carriers

 

[Beast]

Great News that every one is waiting to hear...Modi delivered. Don't forget we will have a Make in India component too...

Congrat India for closing the deal and not insisting made in India. Rafale is too complicated to be made in India. Just buy off shelf and quickly get the plane.

What is the made in India component?

 

[Immortan.Joe]

Uncalled for. Please remove it to keep the thread clean.

But the comment was dead on. There are two burnol candidates clutching at straws in this very thread.

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @SrNair

I'll take this news with a pintch of salt,let's wait for official confirmations.
If it's true,this is a good news,FINALLY.

@Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

Brace yourselves,Brits,we won't break your Hawk deal record.

more waiting!!! ohh boy i guess it back to bed for me then

when its official wake me up then we will celebrate...... British style

It looks like this deal is finally done this time. Whole media is filled with report of finalization and yesterday @PARIKRAMA has also stated that the deal has been signed and paper exchanged.

 

[nik22]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy can you confirm the news

Sorry bro, what can they confirm? Are they Govt representative ?

 

[mike2000 is back]

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @SrNair

I'll take this news with a pintch of salt,let's wait for official confirmations.
If it's true,this is a good news,FINALLY.

@Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

Brace yourselves,Brits,we won't break your Hawk deal record.

Well until official confirmation and payment has been done. I will take this news with
pinch of salt as well.

Anyway, even if its true and confirmed i'm happy for our french allies, The more defence deals European powers like Britain and France sign around the world, the better for Europe's Interests and world influence.

Ahahhaha..................very appropriate image.

 

[enquencher]

This deal seems jus tip of iceberg.. i suspect at least 100+ more coming coz buying 36 does not make any meaning only if they are kept for stratergic command to bring shit out of the enemy. There will suerly be help in aesa and engines. Amca may have lot of french help including engines.frenchies are a reliable partner. Or are v seeing some joint venture coming with frenchies in amca

 

[Dash]

Sorry bro, what can they confirm? Are they Govt representative ?

You can say that with a bag of salt.. But they have some people..