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India for AMCA...

Design's frozen. First flight is hopefully in 2019. But that's possible only after the FSED phase is approved.

The main problem is to increase the number of pilot. For that you need to fly more. You have two solutions :
  • Increase the fligh hours of existing aircrafts ===> need a good availability and there is problems with Mig and perhaps Sukhoi too
  • Buy new planes (possibly with good availability)

We chose both. :enjoy:

Mig-29 availability is good. Above 70, 75%.

Mig-21 availability is below 50%.

@BON PLAN
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Adequate funds kept for Rafale deal: Parrikar
Updated: Friday, March 4, 2016, 17:11 [IST]

New Delhi, March 4: The government has kept "adequate money" for the purchase of Rafale fighter jets from France while provisions have been made to continue the process of raising a mountain strike corps, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said here on Friday.

Addressing a press conference here, he said the total defence budget for 2016-17 was Rs.3,41,000 crore including defence pensions and this came to 17.23 percent of overall expenditure of Rs.19,78,060 crore.

As Rs.70,000 crore had been allocated in this year's budget for defence acquisition, he said that excluding defence pensions, the budget figure was Rs.2,59,000 crore which was 13.09 percent of overall expenditure.

To a query on the purchase of Rafale fighter jets, which has been stuck over price negotiations with France, Parrikar said that the government had "kept adequate money for Rafale deal".

"I am a tough negotiator. Let me save money for the nation," he said in answer to another query.


"It is better to cross the bridge when the time comes... A good buyer does not put his weakness in front. He keeps his cards close to his chest. Please do not ask me to reveal the card in national interest," he said.

Answering a query on a China-centric mountain strike corps, which was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in September 2013, Parrikar said: "Whatever arrangements need to be made, have been done."

Asked about large sums to be spent on salaries and pensions in the wake of expected decision on the Seventh Pay Commission, Parrikar said the "expenditure is inevitable."

However, he said the government was keen on rationalising the strength of the army through a process undertaken by the army itself.

"We have asked army to do the exercise," he said.


Parrikar said that another way of cutting down expenditure was use of simulators in training of pilots and also drivers.

On the specific question of recommendations of the Seventh Pay Commission which are under consideration of the government, Parrikar said necessary steps will be taken by the ministry after discussions over the next two-three weeks.

The minister said that Rs.77,000 crore had been allocated for capital acquisition in 2015-16 and the anticipated spending was Rs.66,000 crore.

He said it was for the first time that the defence ministry took stock of military sales through an account held by the US government and found that due to "ill-management of this account, slightly less than $ 3 billion piled up".

"In May-June last year, we reviewed it. We have recalibrated it has come down from about $3 billion to $1.8 billlon," he said.

He said Rs.6,000 crore had been paid last year to the US for direct military sales and the ministry had saved money from its budget allocations.

"We have saved $700 to $800 million of foreign exchange," he said, adding that the ministry had been able to save about Rs.3,000 crore more through other measures.

The minister said that modernisation of forces was very important for the government and contracts of Rs.1,20,000 crore had been signed during the 21 months of the Modi government and contracts for about Rs.32,000 crore were in the process of final approval.

IANS


http://www.oneindia.com/india/adequate-funds-kept-for-rafale-deal-parrikar-2031686.html
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@Abingdonboy @Taygibay @Vauban @anant_s @MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @knight11 @cerberus @Levina @Picdelamirand-oil

DM MP mentions about Rafale, being a "Tough Negotiator ", rationalizing the strength of army and use of simulators for training pilots...
 
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SOUNDBYTES FROM DM MP
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Adequate funds kept for Rafale deal: Parrikar
Updated: Friday, March 4, 2016, 17:11 [IST]

New Delhi, March 4: The government has kept "adequate money" for the purchase of Rafale fighter jets from France while provisions have been made to continue the process of raising a mountain strike corps, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said here on Friday.

Addressing a press conference here, he said the total defence budget for 2016-17 was Rs.3,41,000 crore including defence pensions and this came to 17.23 percent of overall expenditure of Rs.19,78,060 crore.

As Rs.70,000 crore had been allocated in this year's budget for defence acquisition, he said that excluding defence pensions, the budget figure was Rs.2,59,000 crore which was 13.09 percent of overall expenditure.

To a query on the purchase of Rafale fighter jets, which has been stuck over price negotiations with France, Parrikar said that the government had "kept adequate money for Rafale deal".

"I am a tough negotiator. Let me save money for the nation," he said in answer to another query.


"It is better to cross the bridge when the time comes... A good buyer does not put his weakness in front. He keeps his cards close to his chest. Please do not ask me to reveal the card in national interest," he said.

Answering a query on a China-centric mountain strike corps, which was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in September 2013, Parrikar said: "Whatever arrangements need to be made, have been done."

Asked about large sums to be spent on salaries and pensions in the wake of expected decision on the Seventh Pay Commission, Parrikar said the "expenditure is inevitable."

However, he said the government was keen on rationalising the strength of the army through a process undertaken by the army itself.

"We have asked army to do the exercise," he said.


Parrikar said that another way of cutting down expenditure was use of simulators in training of pilots and also drivers.

On the specific question of recommendations of the Seventh Pay Commission which are under consideration of the government, Parrikar said necessary steps will be taken by the ministry after discussions over the next two-three weeks.

The minister said that Rs.77,000 crore had been allocated for capital acquisition in 2015-16 and the anticipated spending was Rs.66,000 crore.

He said it was for the first time that the defence ministry took stock of military sales through an account held by the US government and found that due to "ill-management of this account, slightly less than $ 3 billion piled up".

"In May-June last year, we reviewed it. We have recalibrated it has come down from about $3 billion to $1.8 billlon," he said.

He said Rs.6,000 crore had been paid last year to the US for direct military sales and the ministry had saved money from its budget allocations.

"We have saved $700 to $800 million of foreign exchange," he said, adding that the ministry had been able to save about Rs.3,000 crore more through other measures.

The minister said that modernisation of forces was very important for the government and contracts of Rs.1,20,000 crore had been signed during the 21 months of the Modi government and contracts for about Rs.32,000 crore were in the process of final approval.

IANS


http://www.oneindia.com/india/adequate-funds-kept-for-rafale-deal-parrikar-2031686.html
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@Abingdonboy @Taygibay @Vauban @anant_s @MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @knight11 @cerberus @Levina @Picdelamirand-oil

DM MP mentions about Rafale, being a "Tough Negotiator ", rationalizing the strength of army and use of simulators for training pilots...
I've been saying it for a while, MP is using this deal to play at being "tough" and is using some very exotic (but immature) tactics which is why the door has now suddenly been opened to SAAB, Boeing and LM. I hope this nonsense leads to a good deal sooner rather than later because this is getting very tiring indeed and just for 36 jets, we need to move onto the FAR bigger requiremnt for 100++ MMRCA.
 
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Design's frozen. First flight is hopefully in 2019. But that's possible only after the FSED phase is approved.



We chose both. :enjoy:

Mig-29 availability is good. Above 70, 75%.

Mig-21 availability is below 50%.

@BON PLAN
Welcome to the forum. :D
Thank you Randomradio :-) .
 
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JAMNAGAR: India is mulling manufacturing one more line of fighter aircraft to replenish its dwindling fleet and a decision in this regard is likely to be taken in a year's time, Air Chief MarshalArup Rahasaid today.

The Chief of Air Staff said the second line of fighter jets will be in addition to light combat aircraft Tejas and 36 Rafale planes that India will procure from France.

"Definitely they (government) are thinking to set up one more line of fighter aircraft in a year under the Make in India project so that the dwindling fighter aircraft fleet can be replaced within shortest possible time," Raha said.

He was asked how theIAFis going to replenish the diminishing number of its fighter aircraft.

"This plan is going to materialise in a year's time... Addition of new aircraft to the IAF fleet through indigenous technology is also being worked out, with the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) providing 120 LCA," he said.

The IAF chief said the Rafael multi-role fighter plane contract with France was likely to be through soon.

"Rafale contract is likely to be through as a lot of progress has been made. The outcome will be substantial in the first year itself. We are yet to work out modalities. The government is willing to spend more to improve operational capability of the armed forces."

Raha was speaking at a press conference held atJamnagarair force base where PresidentPranab Mukherjeeawarded two units of the IAF --- 28 Equipment Depot and 19 Helicopter Unit --- with Presidential Colours and Standard, respectively.

India is likely to get 36 multi-role fighters from France- basedDassault Aviationunder a government-to-government agreement, which is under negotiations


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-of-fighter-jets-iaf/articleshow/51258075.cms
 
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down expenditure was use of simulators in training of pilots and also drivers
Gosh!!!
Are they serious???
I don't know about pilots but while giving my simulation test (for D/L) I ended up with simulator sickness.
 
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Indian mulling the mulling of mulling to mulling something.

Aur odhar Rafael aur Tejas ki shadi ki umar bhi nikal jayegi and india will still be mulling.:haha:
 
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These people are good at making Khichdi only.Inventory Control is just horrible as it looks from outside.
 
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Gosh!!!
Are they serious???
I don't know about pilots but while giving my simulation test (for D/L) I ended up with simulator sickness.
The kind of simulators in question would be "Full mission simulators":
Flugsimulation_MIG29K.jpg

(the above is an IN MiG-29K full mission simulator)

Flugsimulation_Eurofighter_Typhoon.jpg


With full 360 degree visual system allowing for takeoff and landing, avoidance and attack maneuvers and can be synced with mutliple systems to allow for large force engagment.

As the simulator banks and pitches there should be little " simulator sickness" as that only happens when your brain has mixed signals (ie your eyes are telling your brain it is moving but the rest of your body tells it it is static).


 
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As the simulator banks and pitches there should be little " simulator sickness" as that only happens when your brain has mixed signals (ie your eyes are telling your brain it is moving but the rest of your body tells it it is static
I tried it in Ferrari world too but the same happened again.
I am not joking. :(

Anyways if this helps pilots in their real life missions I have no objections. :)
 
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