Das Boot........A wonderful film for naval warfare lovers.

[darkinsky]

i like u-571 more

 

[Penguin]

i like u-571 more

Of all the submarine movies, that's simply an afront....ugh
Submarine films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[darkinsky]

Of all the submarine movies, that's simply an afront....ugh
Submarine films - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

why? its such a nice film, and it also won an oscar

 

[Penguin]

why? its such a nice film, and it also won an oscar

The fictitious plot attracted substantial criticism since, in reality, it was British personnel from HMS Bulldog who first captured a naval Enigma machine (from U-110 in the North Atlantic in May 1941), long before the United States even entered the war. A German U-boat crew is portrayed in a negative light (U-852 story) The anger over the inaccuracies even reached the British Parliament, where Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that the film was an "affront" to British sailors. The real U-571 was never involved in any such events, was not captured, and was in fact sunk in January 1944, off Ireland, by a Short Sunderland flying boat from No. 461 Squadron, Royal Australian Air Force.

MOre U-571 (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That aside, it has the poorest substitute for a destroyer I've seen in a long time.

Z49 ANSCHLUSS - ShipSpotting.com - Ship Photos and Ship Tracker
Hobby & Collection

is actually an Italian Navy SALVAGE/ASSISTANCE VESSEL

They could have approached the Egyptian navy and asked for use of a traning ship e.g.
1 Z class destroyer El Fateh training destroyer
1 Black Swan class Tariq (931) training sloop
(authentic era ships)

Or A069 corvettes (France, Turkey) or Knox class ships....

 

[slapshot]

Great Movie, and as said above, a must watch for Naval Warfare lovers!!

might also like U-571, In Enemy Hands, K-19 The widow maker, Hunt for Red October, Above us the Sea etc

Add "Down Periscope" to the list to give it funny touch.

 

[Penguin]

Operation Petticoat

 

[W.11]

i watched das boot, and gotta say it a masterpiece(acting, story and musical score)

the ending is very sad should have chosen a better ending

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Any list of movies made on the topic of submarine warfare isn't complete with out Das Boat.It has it all.

 

[Penguin]

i watched das boot, and gotta say it a masterpiece(acting, story and score music)

the ending is very sad should have chosen a better ending

Reality of WW2: Germans were defeated. Sad for them, good for many others

 

[W.11]

Reality of WW2: Germans were defeated. Sad for them, good for many others

what actually saddens me is not the german defeat but the fact that how these guys were risking their lives, serving their country, a long way away from home and their families, alone in the ocean and serving for months in the sea mostly under water and they died like pigs as soon as they completed their mission

 

[Penguin]

what actually saddens me is not the german defeat but the fact that how these guys were risking their lives, serving their country, a long way away from home and their families, alone in the ocean and serving for months in the sea mostly under water and they died like pigs as soon as they completed their mission

Worse! They died like pigs ... AT SEA (even before getting home: worse than meat grinder called Russian Front):

Advances in convoy tactics, high frequency direction finding (referred to as "Huff-Duff"), radar, active sonar (called ASDIC in Britain), depth charges, ASW spigot mortars (also known as "hedgehog"), the intermittent cracking of the German Naval Enigma code, the introduction of the Leigh Light, the range of escort aircraft (especially with the use of escort carriers), the use of mystery ships, and the full entry of the U.S. into the war with its enormous shipbuilding capacity, all turned the tide against the U-boats.
...
The U-boat fleet suffered extremely heavy casualties, losing 793 U-boats and about 28,000 submariners (a 75% casualty rate, the highest of all German forces during the war).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boat

Of the 1,155 U-boats Germany sent into combat, 725 had been sunk in the longest battle of the war. Lasting nearly six years, over 35,000 German sailors had put to sea, with 28,744 never returning – a death rate of 82 percent, the highest casualty rate of any armed forces of any conflict in the history of modern war. Yet in this appalling casualty rate, there was never any shortage of men to enlist in the U-boat service, and until the very last day, the men of the U-boat service stood ready to put to sea at a moments notice.

http://www.uboataces.com/boa-uboat-end.shtml
Type I 2 built, 2 lost
Type II 50 built, ? lost
Type V 1 built, ? lost
Type VII 703 built, ? lost
Type IX 283 built, ? lost
Type X 8 built, 6 lost
Type XIV 10 built, 10 lost
Type XVII 7 built, ? lost
Type XXI 267 built, ? lost
Type XXIII 61 built, 7 lost

WW2
Total Built: 1392
Total Lost: 793
Loss rate: 57% of boats

Of each 3 boats built, 2 were destroyed. Of the 40.000 men that went to sea in Uboots in WW2 only 10,000 returned, so 3 out of 4 crew perished. Of those 10,000 who survived, 5,000 were taken prisoner. So only 1 in 8 personnel made it back to home port safely in the end.

Kriegsmarine KIA, 9.01.39 - 4.30.45: 65,029 (of which 40,000 - that is 62% - submariners)
And that is the reality.....

http://www.uboat.net/fates/losses/
http://www.uboat.net/fates/losses/chart.htm
http://www.uboat.net/types/table.htm
http://www.feldgrau.com/stats.html
http://www.u-boot-hahd.de/forums/showthread.php?mode=linear&tid=514&pid=2333
Back to topic: http://www.uboat.net/special/movies/

 

[Penguin]

Having said that ... consider the merchant marines!

The number of allied merchant ships sunk in all theatres of war between 1939 and 1945 was almost 5000

Approximately 185,000 seamen, including 40,000 men of Indian, Chinese and other nationalities, served in the Merchant Navy during the war.
,,,
30,248 merchant seamen lost their lives during World War Two, a death rate that was higher proportionately than in any of the armed forces.

BBC - WW2 People's War - Timeline

16%.... 1 in 5

Figures later published reveal that in all three ‘armed’ services the casualty rate was about 1 in 28. The Merchant Navy, overall, suffered deaths of 1 in 8. British seamen, mostly on Atlantic and Arctic trips, suffered a horrific death rate of close to 1 in 4.

Prisoners of War of the Japanese 1942-1945

1 in 8 is 12,5 %
versus
1 in 28 in all three armed services ...

quite a bloodletting at sea ...