Dar the Dracula Returns to Pakistan

[ARMalik]

Dar is here at the behest of corrupt Bajwa and his corrupt Generals. The institution of Army has become an institution of vicious Mobsters.

 

[Ghessan]

Bhai ok, no worries, but Ishaq Dar has a history with mysticism and Sufism. There was a discussion in many circles of Islamabad club and Gymkhana Lhr about Dar sahab, I was in some of these sittings of experienced aged Govt officials.

what to do with a presented history while having matters at hand going other way.

even i can talk about mysticism on the basis of knowledge i have into very long discussions, what if i am just talking?

what we portray has nothing to do with what we practice and practice on this particular path is never revealed by a true follower, as it is always this way.

 

[koolio]

Welcome back Dar.

They are jealous and sad coz Niazi failed to find a good finance minister in his 22 years of fake struggle.

Niazi started with Landay ka Steve Jobs aka Asad Umer then Hafeez Sheikh and lastly Shaukat Tarin and pushed us back into 1970s. It’s beyond shame that people here want to see Niazi the most incompetent budha in the history of subcontinent for another 10 years in power.

Can you specifically highlight the achievements of former crook minister Ishaq Dar??

 

[Signalian]

@Ghessan

I post in front of people who are diving well below negativity level of any sort.

The reason of telling the religiousness of Military is simple, it exists. Pakistan Army thrives on religion, the battle cry of Allah-o-Akbar and the training encompasses Islam as the basis of war. The spirit of martyrdom and the wish to attain this level in combat is the driving factor that makes a Pakistani officer/soldier stand in combat against an enemy superior in strength like India.

What else do you think can motivate an officer or a soldier to face death ? Its Islam.

In recent times, the understanding of religion and the spirit of Islam has become even more important. Every unit, every HQ has a molvi sahab, for this sole purpose. The WOT against terrorists and insurgents has turned into religious battle fr both sides. These terrorists believe they are the true warriors of God, where as a Pakistani officer/soldier is also born and bred in an islamic setup. Since childhood till training, he is drilled into the spirit of Islam. With time, his faith is tested when he is alone in the kill zone, in dark nights, in mountains and deserts. Its the spirit of islam that keeps him alive.

Have you not seen pics of officers and soldiers offering prayers ? These pictures depict the true life of military. Yes, cowboys are there since rare cases exist but the cohesion, the unity and the ability to fight a war as well as conduct Ops beyond comprehension comes from the breath of Islam, after that comes patriotism.

Have you noticed that the Nara-e-Takbeer "Allah o Akbar" comes when war starts and the slogan "Pakistan zindabad" comes at the end always ? I wont go into much details of Army linked with islam anymore, since I have made it clear that Military's strength comes from the driving force of religion Islam, for all ranks.

Now the sufism/mysticism part and the Dar link.

Dar sahab has a history with sufism from his father's time. I will tell you what I know from the cross talks of elders. But try to understand one thing. Everybody has parents who pray for them. The dua of mother and father elevates a person in life and after life. But even then why doesn't everyone becomes rich and glorified and famous ? So there is something more than the duas of parents, then dua from whom ? Of course someone near to Allah.

Have you seen interviews of Lollywood actors ? Take Arbaaz khan, Afzaal khan, etc, they openly tell in their interviews that they visit shrines of sufi mystics. Similarly, politicians, businessmen and people from many other walks of life do the same, even of they dont admit openly. Somethings are better left in secret.

I already mentioned three political parties of Pakistan having visited shrines of sufi mystics. The examples are in front of us. Its about faith. Ishaq Dar, so I have heard, is one of the people who is devoted to a sufi mystic of Lahore. His father started it all and then from a poor background, the family started rising. I won't go into details since I dont want fun made by members of that sufi saint, Im not bothered about Ishaq Dar.

Ma'arfat cannot be felt online, and its not easy to discuss it online even. Spirituality, Roohaniat, ishq e hakiki, fakeeri, dervishi, qalanderi etc are all topics of their own. Its Allah's will which path He provides a person to come to him - whether from a molvi, a masjid, a shrine, Koran, namaz, dervish etc. Understanding of Allah is itself very weak, though I admit I am unlearned too. We humans become judges ourselves since we do not know the heart of of the accused person. Who may seem evil all his life, maybe asking for forgiveness, trying to find a path towards Allah but do you think this cruel society will forgive him ? People never forgive, Allah forgives. It's easy to judge rather than understand or analyze a situation or a person.

Politicians even if they are evil to the core, are still loved by Allah, even if they are loathed by humans. Allah still opens a way somehow for that person to make contact with Allah so the person may find his salvation. Making fun, cursing, abusing - if thats the way, do it.

I try to remain positive, if that irks members, I cannot help them.

Pakistan Army, Pakistan Generals, Pakistan soldiers- Zindabad

 

[Ghessan]

@Ghessan

I post in front of people who are diving well below negativity level of any sort.

The reason of telling the religiousness of Military is simple, it exists. Pakistan Army thrives on religion, the battle cry of Allah-o-Akbar and the training encompasses Islam as the basis of war. The spirit of martyrdom and the wish to attain this level in combat is the driving factor that makes a Pakistani officer/soldier stand in combat against an enemy superior in strength like India.

What else do you think can motivate an officer or a soldier to face death ? Its Islam.

In recent times, the understanding of religion and the spirit of Islam has become even more important. Every unit, every HQ has a molvi sahab, for this sole purpose. The WOT against terrorists and insurgents has turned into religious battle fr both sides. These terrorists believe they are the true warriors of God, where as a Pakistani officer/soldier is also born and bred in an islamic setup. Since childhood till training, he is drilled into the spirit of Islam. With time, his faith is tested when he is alone in the kill zone, in dark nights, in mountains and deserts. Its the spirit of islam that keeps him alive.

Have you not seen pics of officers and soldiers offering prayers ? These pictures depict the true life of military. Yes, cowboys are there since rare cases exist but the cohesion, the unity and the ability to fight a war as well as conduct Ops beyond comprehension comes from the breath of Islam, after that comes patriotism.

Have you noticed that the Nara-e-Takbeer "Allah o Akbar" comes when war starts and the slogan "Pakistan zindabad" comes at the end always ? I wont go into much details of Army linked with islam anymore, since I have made it clear that Military's strength comes from the driving force of religion Islam, for all ranks.

Now the sufism/mysticism part and the Dar link.

Dar sahab has a history with sufism from his father's time. I will tell you what I know from the cross talks of elders. But try to understand one thing. Everybody has parents who pray for them. The dua of mother and father elevates a person in life and after life. But even then why doesn't everyone becomes rich and glorified and famous ? So there is something more than the duas of parents, then dua from whom ? Of course someone near to Allah.

Have you seen interviews of Lollywood actors ? Take Arbaaz khan, Afzaal khan, etc, they openly tell in their interviews that they visit shrines of sufi mystics. Similarly, politicians, businessmen and people from many other walks of life do the same, even of they dont admit openly. Somethings are better left in secret.

I already mentioned three political parties of Pakistan having visited shrines of sufi mystics. The examples are in front of us. Its about faith. Ishaq Dar, so I have heard, is one of the people who is devoted to a sufi mystic of Lahore. His father started it all and then from a poor background, the family started rising. I won't go into details since I dont want fun made by members of that sufi saint, Im not bothered about Ishaq Dar.

Ma'arfat cannot be felt online, and its not easy to discuss it online even. Spirituality, Roohaniat, ishq e hakiki, fakeeri, dervishi, qalanderi etc are all topics of their own. Its Allah's will which path He provides a person to come to him - whether from a molvi, a masjid, a shrine, Koran, namaz, dervish etc. Understanding of Allah is itself very weak, though I admit I am unlearned too. We humans become judges ourselves since we do not know the heart of of the accused person. Who may seem evil all his life, maybe asking for forgiveness, trying to find a path towards Allah but do you think this cruel society will forgive him ? People never forgive, Allah forgives. It's easy to judge rather than understand or analyze a situation or a person.

Politicians even if they are evil to the core, are still loved by Allah, even if they are loathed by humans. Allah still opens a way somehow for that person to make contact with Allah so the person may find his salvation. Making fun, cursing, abusing - if thats the way, do it.

I try to remain positive, if that irks members, I cannot help them.

Pakistan Army, Pakistan Generals, Pakistan soldiers- Zindabad

just wanted to prompt people to where things were dragging and must not.

that was the only thing i have to do with the above discussion.

thanks anyways

 

[VCheng]

The reason of telling the religiousness of Military is simple, it exists. Pakistan Army thrives on religion, the battle cry of Allah-o-Akbar and the training encompasses Islam as the basis of war. The spirit of martyrdom and the wish to attain this level in combat is the driving factor that makes a Pakistani officer/soldier stand in combat against an enemy superior in strength like India.

Nobody can argue against such impeccable motivational logic for Allah's own Army, and remain a Muslim.

 

[Signalian]

just wanted to prompt people to where things were dragging and must not.

that was the only thing i have to do with the above discussion.

thanks anyways

No worries, I liked writing that post, so thank you.

Nobody can argue against such impeccable motivational logic for Allah's own Army, and remain a Muslim.

Logic and faith - debatable, some other day

 

[VCheng]

Logic and faith - debatable, some other day

Not for me. I accept your argument at face value. It is rock solid, undebatable and 100% robust. No one can criticize such a nobly motivated Army if they are a true Muslim, obviously.

 

[KAL-EL]

Is this Vlad the Impaler's actual ring?

Yes, one of the very select few that is.

 

[Acetic Acid]

The reason of telling the religiousness of Military is simple, it exists. Pakistan Army thrives on religion, the battle cry of Allah-o-Akbar and the training encompasses Islam as the basis of war.

Can't wait to see this Allah's army striking a deal with Dajal and asking Imam Mehdi to resign and go back.

 

[Mugen]

Don't you DARE disrespect the sanctity of the Soldiers of the Pakistani Army, These children of the soil have shed their blood for the safety of Pakistan and Islam. They have protected Pakistan against the TTP, Taliban and India.
The leadership may be corrupt, by the ordinary soldiers who lay their lives down should always be respected and honoured.

Oh, shut up please, no one is disrespecting them. If anything, this corrupt army does not take care of our patriots and sends them to the meat grinder, and then use their martyrdom as a shield against any criticism for their utter incompetence. Pakistani army as an institution is a failed institute for many reasons, but mainly because it's incapable of holding those on top accountable for the many the ills that plague this country, and they actually suck at their job.

 

[PakFactor]

Not for me. I accept your argument at face value. It is rock solid, undebatable and 100% robust. No one can criticize such a nobly motivated Army if they are a true Muslim, obviously.

Over time people get educated and can remove reality from fiction. The poor and gullible will slowly dwindle as their kids get educated and move on. How long down the road can they keep using religion; it eventually dies out.

 

[VCheng]

Over time people get educated and can remove reality from fiction. The poor and gullible will slowly dwindle as their kids get educated and move on. How long down the road can they keep using religion; it eventually dies out.

Well, 75 years, and that approach is going on stronger than ever.

 

[AlKardai]

Can't wait to see this Allah's army striking a deal with Dajal and asking Imam Mehdi to resign and go back.

I once thought that the Pak army would be the Mehdis army.
Obviously, I was wrong

 

[PakFactor]

Well, 75 years, and that approach is going on stronger than ever.

Yes, the previous 75 years, but it was primarily due to economic factors for general duty soldiers while officers were from well of families. The armed forces just sugar-coated religion over it. Now we have to see the effects of social media and how it's teaching the current generation. Besides the occasional Mulla brigades, there isn't much jazba among society's middle to the upper class. This forum will show you the split it caused within the last few months; if things went south, they'd flee to the Afghan border while officers would fly out.