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Dancing in the Streets of Pakistan

wow.. agnostic

i not against women driveing ghetting an education or wearing western style cloathing MODESTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am against danceing and wearing revealing cloathing...

how can we think of the worst possible senerio??

BEACUSE THIS IS THE STARTING!!!!!! LOOK AT INDIA

my friend just came from there and told me its youth culture is identical to the west ..
drugs sex abortions rape ghetting drunk ECT

have your choise

Yes.. all the youth india is under drugs are getting raped and are getting abortions..!!!:no: not one is left.. poor india.. :lol:

Well brother.. see freedom have to be used responsibiliy and that education ahve to be given by the parents to the child.. when they fail in that then such incidents happen....

For that you cannot take away the basic right of a women to live freely in her own terms.. you cannot lock her from the society and restrain her from doing something..if she wants to dance let her dance.. if she wants to wear something which she likes let her... those who want to watch and those who don't get the hell out.. Thats wot called tolerance.. i do not know whether these religious mullahs know that fact...
 
Fun debate, you people just ruined the damn thread with with your E-Mullah instincts & Moral policing, can't you people just leave others alone & let them do what ever they want to do, Why you people even give a damn to 'what others do', its non of your GOD damn business



yeah i am doing a Haram Act :rolleyes:
I will be stoned tomorrow will you be there to witness my execution?
If you can't then send some one to capture it on Camera & then Upload it with name 'Kafir Emo being Stoned to death' but in Roman URdu you must write 'Kafir Emo ke ebrat-nak saza'

Thats what happens to people when muslims try to impose their own ideas on others.........instead of cuming towards Islam they start moving away and away..... and, God knows, may be we muslims have played a vital role in keeping them away from their own creator....... :undecided:
 
Yes.. all the youth india is under drugs are getting raped and are getting abortions..!!!:no: not one is left.. poor india.. :lol:

Well brother.. see freedom have to be used responsibiliy and that education ahve to be given by the parents to the child.. when they fail in that then such incidents happen....

For that you cannot take away the basic right of a women to live freely in her own terms.. you cannot lock her from the society and restrain her from doing something..if she wants to dance let her dance.. if she wants to wear something which she likes let her... those who want to watch and those who don't get the hell out.. Thats wot called tolerance.. i do not know whether these religious mullahs know that fact...

I partly agree with you bro...... but everyone has a right to live but question arises when it starts disturbing others........ sorry to use such words, but a nude woman is a matter of concern for others...... So I disagree that women should be allowed wear wat they want.... I mean if a company has a dress code why not a state......... Do what you want to do as long as its not disturbing others:cheers:
 
Fun debate, you people just ruined the damn thread with with your E-Mullah instincts & Moral policing, can't you people just leave others alone & let them do what ever they want to do, Why you people even give a damn to 'what others do', its non of your GOD damn business

yeah i am doing a Haram Act :rolleyes:
I will be stoned tomorrow will you be there to witness my execution?
If you can't then send some one to capture it on Camera & then Upload it with name 'Kafir Emo being Stoned to death' but in Roman URdu you must write 'Kafir Emo ke ebrat-nak saza'

i shared a poet before in the very same thread that resembles you 100% :lol:
Tere Azaad bandon ki naa yeh duniya naa woh duniya
Yahan jeenay ki pabandi wahan marne ki pabandi


hope you understand what it means

Some peoples are never happy trust me...............some peoples wants Freedom like you.......... and some peoples are fed up of this freedom like me.............. i have been living without my parents since the age of 12 :cry::cry::cry: and trust me there was nobody who ever scolded me for anything or ever stopped me doing anything. Wherever i went i was free to go but one day like me you will also realize freedom is not end of this world.

I personally enjoy living as i am............. although there was no one who ever kept an eye on me but i have made my own rules and set my own boundaries............ i love staying inside my boundaries and never try to cross it........... trust me its of a more fun than the life you prefer to live in..... trust me i have lived the life you want but one day you do realize that is all fake/materalistic.............

No need to reply............... i am just talking to myself :P and this is my last post on any kind of religious threads (hopefully........... as long as it is not a very serious issue)
 
I partly agree with you bro...... but everyone has a right to live but question arises when it starts disturbing others........ sorry to use such words, but a nude woman is a matter of concern for others...... So I disagree that women should be allowed wear wat they want.... I mean if a company has a dress code why not a state......... Do what you want to do as long as its not disturbing others:cheers:

Well.. do whatever she wants comes with a rider ofcourse.. whatever which is sane.. and not obsecene.. u know you are free to do what you want means you are not free to kill some one.. like wise there should be a standard threshold for the freedom... like if a girl wears jeans and t's i do not think that a person is indiginifing the on looker.. coz the devil lies in the eyes of the beholder... If a proper dress means wearing a burqa covering the very identity of a women then thats cannot be said as moral.. its highly and truelly immoral..!!!!
 
this thread was about dancing not religion didn't the thread starter specifically ask not to bring religion or morality into it ? why u people have to ruin every fun thread ! i thought religion discussion and e-preaching was banned anyway can mods plz delete all off topic posts.
 
... i have been living without my parents since the age of 12 :cry::cry::cry: and trust me there was nobody who ever scolded me for anything or ever stopped me doing anything. Wherever i went i was free to go but one day like me you will also realize freedom is not end of this world.

...i have made my own rules and set my own boundaries............ i love staying inside my boundaries and never try to cross it........... trust me its of a more fun than the life you prefer to live in..... trust me i have lived the life you want but one day you do realize that is all fake/materalistic..

You're the man ... :tup:
 
Fun debate, you people just ruined the damn thread with with your E-Mullah instincts & Moral policing, can't you people just leave others alone & let them do what ever they want to do, Why you people even give a damn to 'what others do', its non of your GOD damn business



yeah i am doing a Haram Act :rolleyes:
I will be stoned tomorrow will you be there to witness my execution?
If you can't then send some one to capture it on Camera & then Upload it with name 'Kafir Emo being Stoned to death' but in Roman URdu you must write 'Kafir Emo ke ebrat-nak saza'

Your statements are not the sign of liberalism instead they show your confusion about....everything...

can't you people just leave others alone & let them do what ever they want to do,

This forum has rules and regulations. Take this as an example..
Just an EXAMPLE!
Webbie is the prophet but he died 1400 years ago. Now mods are implementing those rules outlined by webbie. Now how can you say to the mods that mind your own business? If you'll say that than you will be kicked out and banned and whatnot.
Same goes to Islam. I am not saying that mullahs are the mods but there are people out there who are. So, you can't say that "mind your own business" You can say this to the people but not the "specific ones"

Do you mind if I ask you your age?
because the comments are either "too" sarcastic or they show the sign of confusion...

I am not getting personal here but comments made by ZAKI were far solid than yours.

I am out of this thread now. I know that I said it twice but this time I won't come back..
There is no reason to teach mullahs and/or the people who can justify their actions under the flag of liberalism. People who think that social responsibility is nothing more than a piece of s***. Maybe they are brought up near mullah team thats why they are fed up..There are many reasons...Mullahs are not worth to be replied either..

I am out for good!
 
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I don't want to be focused on race and ethnicity like jinxed, but "we" didn't rule for 800 years. Monarchy is never "we" it's just one man and his family. I'm tired of hearing that "Muslims" ruled the subcontinent for a 1000 years.

You're viewing and judging the monarchs and rulers of the past with your democratic goggles of today.

the fact that they had armies (mind you, you cannot build an army without a consensus amongst your commanders, who agree and accept to a higher authority) who supported them, and then they had masses as well who became their subjects. A few of them were tyrants and we reject their rule. But It was an accepted reality of the time and the world was ruled by Monarchs. You can't judge their efforts or their rule using the political tools of today. They were indeed "Muslim" rulers. And they were as legitimate in governance as the democratic leaders of today.

Sparklingway:

although i did not allege that we ruled for 800 years, you should go back and read my comment again. I said the muslims back in the days invented all of those things.
 
You're viewing and judging the monarchs and rulers of the past with your democratic goggles of today.

the fact that they had armies (mind you, you cannot build an army without a consensus amongst your commanders, who agree and accept to a higher authority) who supported them, and then they had masses as well who became their subjects. A few of them were tyrants and we reject their rule. But It was an accepted reality of the time and the world was ruled by Monarchs. You can't judge their efforts or their rule using the political tools of today. They were indeed "Muslim" rulers. And they were as legitimate in governance as the democratic leaders of today.

Sparklingway:

although i did not allege that we ruled for 800 years, you should go back and read my comment again. I said the muslims back in the days invented all of those things.

Yeah, I misinterpreted your statement. It clearly didn't mention anything about rule. You said:

It is very convenient of you to point out the 200 years of history under foreign rule whilst forgetting the nearly 800 years of history where we flourished and invented music art and whatnot for the sake of preserving our civilization values and cultural heritages.

In that matter, 800 years of "brilliant" scientific contributions aren't going to help us get out of the troubles and the problems we have today, or are they? A heritage of achievement doesn't qualify us for any more achievements for we have become stagnant. The era of scientific advancement that you're referring to was more like 500 years as by the middle of the fifteenth century, the flame of innovation had died down. Major contributions, breakthroughs and advancements took place between 9th and 15th century. My ancestors are from Southwestern Asia (2000 yrs back) and I hardly share any bond with the Arabs, Turk and Persian scientists of those periods. These scientists were great people, three cheers for them but what about today?

Since the early times, infighting and quest for land and money has destroyed tho so called "Islamic World". Barbarism in the name of religion has been prevalent. Nearly everyone of the Khalifas, Sultan, Amir, Badshahs and Nizams were powerhungry rulers who squeezed every drop of blood out of their subjects. Monarchy, for me, represents the darkest periods of human civilization.

As for the dynasties, the Mughals are glorified beyond any limit in our textbooks. They must be taught as what not to become. A three century rule of utter ignorance, lack of social welfare, ignorance towards any real development or advancement and complete lack of care for the people. I'm not using the demographic goggles of today but rather trying to view them objectively. You fricking have the money and the skilled engineers/ laborers to build a beautiful tomb for your dead deer, but never though of opening a centre of learning for the people? As long as the girls waved the feathers and the king got his liquid gold milkshakes, it was great. What kind of a civilization was this? I have to give them credit for one thing , the Mughals unlike other conquerors atleast stayed back though and didn't just come here to take the money back to their homelands, they came to rule and that they did.

The subcontinent's modern history can be best summarized as : - Ruled by foreign invaders and conquerors for a long period of time and then by the British.

The foreign conquerors brought their huge armies to fight but the British didn't even bring a huge army. They just crafted one out of the same place they wanted to rule. Colonials in Africa used soldiers from different areas like soldiers from Burkina Faso to fight in Congo so that there weren't any sympathies. The subcontinent, however ethnically, linguistically and racially diverse was quite a cohesive society when the British came. Yet, they were able to find hundreds of thousands of recruits for petty exchanges of land from the plains of Punjab. We have our "khan bahadurs" who were honored for their service to the crown and our ruling class (military and civil oligarchy) rose from the very same people who committed treason against the masses. They used locals to beat locals. What kind of a moral code where the people following? It's just that the modern history of this region is filled with more dark than bright bands. Comparing this with European or Central Asian history is a lame thing to do. I don't believe in comparative morality or comparative ethics.

I'm sorry I've gone into a rant here.
 
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I don't want to be focused on race and ethnicity like jinxed, but "we" didn't rule for 800 years. Monarchy is never "we" it's just one man and his family. I'm tired of hearing that "Muslims" ruled the subcontinent for a 1000 years.

To everybody :-

Somebody's dancing within their own confined house. Let them dance however they may even if there are 300 people watching them. They wanted to do it inside a building because they didn't want you to burn them, hence let them do it.

Why does everybody have to be the flagbearer of morality, ethics and religion? Fricking shared a video and asked everybody in kind not to comment on morality and religion. Could have stayed away from it and gulped down your anger if there were any problems. Just had to turn it into another ugly thread full of emullah rants, liberalism vs conservatism and above all a pointless and unfruitful debate over religion.

Yeah, I misinterpreted your statement. It clearly didn't mention anything about rule. You said:



In that matter, 800 years of "brilliant" scientific contributions aren't going to help us get out of the troubles and the problems we have today, or are they? A heritage of achievement doesn't qualify us for any more achievements for we have become stagnant. The era of scientific advancement that you're referring to was more like 500 years as by the middle of the fifteenth century, the flame of innovation had died down. Major contributions, breakthroughs and advancements took place between 9th and 15th century. My ancestors are from Southwestern Asia (2000 yrs back) and I hardly share any bond with the Arabs, Turk and Persian scientists of those periods. These scientists were great people, three cheers for them but what about today?

Since the early times, infighting and quest for land and money has destroyed tho so called "Islamic World". Barbarism in the name of religion has been prevalent. Nearly everyone of the Khalifas, Sultan, Amir, Badshahs and Nizams were powerhungry rulers who squeezed every drop of blood out of their subjects. Monarchy, for me, represents the darkest periods of human civilization.

As for the dynasties, the Mughals are glorified beyond any limit in our textbooks. They must be taught as what not to become. A three century rule of utter ignorance, lack of social welfare, ignorance towards any real development or advancement and complete lack of care for the people. I'm not using the demographic goggles of today but rather trying to view them objectively. The Mughals unlike other conquerors atleast stayed back though.

Sir, what you're posting is absolute rubbish and I totally disagree with it. Sounds like you're reading an imperialist orientalist pamphlet printed in the 18th century on the Moghuls.

Moghuls united the whole sub-continent, further established trade routes, invested in science and technology, economy and trade of the Sub-Continent to such that it accounted for approx 30% of the world trade, compared to less than 5% today. Heck...they were Monarchs and Kings, customs and traditions and rawayat were entirely different and you cannot judge them using political tools of today. They became stagnant and incompentent and therefore lost to British, thats part of cycle of history, rise and fall of empires. It would be highly dishonest and inappropriate to judge them, they were far better muslims than what we are today. God knows. Moghuls amongst others should be part of our curriculum however they should not be taken out.

You're tlaking about their influence on textbooks, Heck....the Queen's face is still printed on the pound and canadian/australian dollars, and also in the books and thier propaganda machine never stops praising them in curriculum, yet no one raises questions and points fingers over it? Wonder why?

Because these things are civilizational values that are propagated by the state authorities and continued to next generations.
 
You're tlaking about their influence on textbooks, Heck....the Queen's face is still printed on the pound and canadian/australian dollars, and also in the books and thier propaganda machine never stops praising them in curriculum, yet no one raises questions and points fingers over it? Wonder why?

Because these things are civilizational values that are propagated by the state authorities and continued to next generations.

What is the muslim world right this minute contributing to their next generation? If you can answer the question without spitting at foriegn govenments and agencies, I will give you a gold star.
 
What is the muslim world right this minute contributing to their next generation? If you can answer the question without spitting at foriegn govenments and agencies, I will give you a gold star.


That is exactly the premise of my argument. We aren't doing anything to prepare for our future, heck we aren't even doing anything for ourselves because we're morally and cuturally lost, and we're busy singing and dancing to the tunes of the neo Colonialists.

Heck our kids learn to sing and praise the goras still, Jack and Jill went up the hill, but why not Fatima and Ali?


And this is what this thread is suggesting, providing a justification for imposing western cultural values on to our masses sponsored by the secular liberal elites, and giving it a 'patriotic' approval.
 
I dont want to be rude or anything but?
WTF?They are dancing its there personel problem.......ChillllllllllllllllllAXXXXXXXXXXXXX
They arent forcing the conservates to join them are they?those girls arent ur relatives?
I myself come from a conservative family....
Let people have fun.....let them do wat they want........U guys are talking like this shyt doesnt happen in Pakistan??
IT DOES UnderGround...u cant stop or prevent it.Se iran???they claim to be ISLAMIC?with the mullahs and stuff..........but ndergroung everything happens Heck women wear jeans and skirts under those burqas?there are discos and all...............the more u want to deny it the more it will come up.
If someone has issues with dancing and stuff sir u should leave the place simple and all....also in these vids they arent rubbing or anything?So wat man.
Live and let live.
Let them freaks do wateva they like unless some are ur children.
 

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