Dalit children burnt alive: Villagers refuse to cremate bodies; threaten to convert to Islam

[Stag112]

For us minorites independence or merger with Pakistan may be the only option. We were all semi educated and found a much better future in Pakistan. Muslims left in Indian occupied parts fail to recognize the bond they share with Pakistanis. We are one and the same and according to Azad Deccan Movement not a single muslim should and can call himself muslim. Indian directly means Hindutva and these Hindutvas have made it clear we have no place in a united India. That is why we Lucknowis, including people I know are vouching for independence.


Because they are of a lower caste. Often they are mistreated and occupy the lowest stratum of society along with the Muslims and in Orissa the Christians.

To be truthful the situation in Pakistan for hindus is bad, but many Dalits like Vajeesh Partab recognize that India has the same problems with intolerance which unfortunately do not get the attention of the world media. I myself am a Lucknowi from a town which is occupied by India. They killed people I knew.


The caste system at least does not apply in Pakistan. There is a class system though and I have spoken out against it.

Its simply that we make labourers and poorer people wait in the sun, give them food in different, usually steel utensils and other forms of discrimination. But in India it is infused in the fabric by the caste system while such problems are fading in Pakistan while BJP win means that these supposed to be inconsequential religious obstacles are returning.

To be truthful even in Indian occupied parts muslims seem to be adopting one of the sickest traditions praciticed in Indian occupied parts. My cousin, a muslim from Lucknow has a negative opinion of dalits. Don't touch them-don't give them the same utensils. that kind of thing. This is what I fear in a united India. Our culture disappearing in favor of Indian culture-for example the ban on cow slaughter. When we demand independence its about being rational and truthful and carefully weighing the benefits. Something slaves of India-the Indian muslims can't do.

First, and there is no other way to say this - YOU ARE NOT INDIAN!

Secondly, since I possibly can not even begin to refute your utter rubbish without losing atleast 5 IQ points, I'll just correct only your answer to @Chinese-Dragon s query, they were not cremated as a sign of protest to put pressure on the govt. Its a common tactic to hold final rites until the govt intervenes and satisfies them.

The rest of your post only deserves the proverbial middle finger, all 1.2 billion of them.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Spot on....When we people do not respect our own people, then expecting that we will respect Muslims who make gharwapasi is a far fetched dream...We are so much screwed up people...

Before commenting on others first learn to respect your own people.

This was a family feud which was given the spin of a caste attack and morons like you fuel the fire further.

 

[haviZsultan]

First, and there is no other way to say this - YOU ARE NOT INDIAN!

Secondly, since I possibly can not even begin to refute your utter rubbish without losing atleast 5 IQ points, I'll just correct only your answer to @Chinese-Dragon s query, they were not cremated as a sign of protest to put pressure on the govt. Its a common tactic to hold final rites until the govt intervenes and satisfies them.

The rest of your post only deserves the proverbial middle finger, all 1.2 billion of them.

I have stayed in Lucknow, have contacts in Lucknow, have family there and am working for a Lucknowi independence group. I am as eligible to vouch for the Lucknowis many of whom want merger with Pakistan or an independent nation. There is no way to sugar coat this. We Lucknowis remain Lucknowis when we move to Pakistan. That is our ethnic group like Madrasi Gujrati and Tamil. If you can't understand that it is unfortunate but also an Indian habit, labelling whatever they don't like the sound of Pakistani-a good way to avoid responsibility for what is happening which is completely on you-you voted Modi in and muslim backlash is a consequence. I have spent some years of my life in Lucknow to understand your Pakistan obsession.

As the Azad Deccan Movement member once said. "We will pull Hyderabad from under you while you keep shouting Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan." It is a disease of India to blame every problem and look at everything with an anti Pakistani lens. We will take Lucknow back and muslims of the world are one.

 

[Stag112]

I have stayed in Lucknow, have contacts in Lucknow, have family there and am working for a Lucknowi independence group. I am as eligible to vouch for the Lucknowis many of whom want merger with Pakistan or an independent nation. There is no way to sugar coat this. We Lucknowis remain Lucknowis when we move to Pakistan. That is our ethnic group like Madrasi Gujrati and Tamil. If you can't understand that it is unfortunate but also an Indian habit, labelling whatever they don't like the sound of Pakistani-a good way to avoid responsibility for what is happening which is completely on you-you voted Modi in and muslim backlash is a consequence. I have spent some years of my life in Lucknow to understand your Pakistan obsession.

As the Azad Deccan Movement member once said. "We will pull Hyderabad from under you while you keep shouting Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan." It is a disease of India to blame every problem and look at everything with an anti Pakistani lens. We will take Lucknow back and muslims of the world are one.

sigh!

All I can say is all the best. Not for stealing Hindu land, but for your personal life.

 

[Soulspeek]

Muslims and Christians might be having some issues with Sanghis but this does not give Pakistanis license to make HAWAI QUILAS....

I have stayed in Lucknow, have contacts in Lucknow, have family there and am working for a Lucknowi independence group. I am as eligible to vouch for the Lucknowis many of whom want merger with Pakistan or an independent nation. There is no way to sugar coat this. We Lucknowis remain Lucknowis when we move to Pakistan. That is our ethnic group like Madrasi Gujrati and Tamil. If you can't understand that it is unfortunate but also an Indian habit, labelling whatever they don't like the sound of Pakistani-a good way to avoid responsibility for what is happening which is completely on you-you voted Modi in and muslim backlash is a consequence. I have spent some years of my life in Lucknow to understand your Pakistan obsession.

As the Azad Deccan Movement member once said. "We will pull Hyderabad from under you while you keep shouting Pakistan Pakistan Pakistan." It is a disease of India to blame every problem and look at everything with an anti Pakistani lens. We will take Lucknow back and muslims of the world are one.

 

[haviZsultan]

Muslims and Christians might be having some issues with Sanghis but this does not give Pakistanis license to make HAWAI QUILAS....

I respect your choice but I think loyalists should look at the benefits of freedom rationally. I am as Lucknowi as anyone else. Just one who moved out of his city. Pakistanis are good people. They genuinely care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts so this hostility for the sake of pleasing the Hindus isn't healthy. Think rationally, not under fake guise of Indian nationalism.

Think of it this way. You arguing for muslim rights against the Sanghis are one isolated voice. With Pakistani support you are a powerful stronger voice with the support of 18 crore behind you. Muslims left there should develop a sympathetic image of Pakistan as I have as it is the only land that will support us when we are in trouble. Think of it as someone speaking from personal experience.

@Razia Sultana @Syama Ayas @jamahir

 

[Stag112]

I respect your choice but I think loyalists should look at the benefits of freedom rationally. I am as Lucknowi as anyone else. Just one who moved out of his city. Pakistanis are good people. They genuinely care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts so this hostility for the sake of pleasing the Hindus isn't healthy. Think rationally, not under fake guise of Indian nationalism.

Think of it this way. You arguing for muslim rights against the Sanghis are one isolated voice. With Pakistani support you are a powerful stronger voice with the support of 18 crore behind you. Muslims left there should develop a sympathetic image of Pakistan as I have as it is the only land that will support us when we are in trouble. Think of it as someone speaking from personal experience.

@Razia Sultana @Syama Ayas @jamahir

Pakistanis are only interested in having their Punjabi revenge on India. Sure they care for you LOL! They salivate at the thought of violence in India, their glee at the thought of dead Indian muslims is there for everyone to see. Just because you have to sell snake-oil for a living (or for living), does not make it a panacea.

 

[suresh1773]

I respect your choice but I think loyalists should look at the benefits of freedom rationally. I am as Lucknowi as anyone else. Just one who moved out of his city. Pakistanis are good people. They genuinely care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts so this hostility for the sake of pleasing the Hindus isn't healthy. Think rationally, not under fake guise of Indian nationalism.

Think of it this way. You arguing for muslim rights against the Sanghis are one isolated voice. With Pakistani support you are a powerful stronger voice with the support of 18 crore behind you. Muslims left there should develop a sympathetic image of Pakistan as I have as it is the only land that will support us when we are in trouble. Think of it as someone speaking from personal experience.

@Razia Sultana @Syama Ayas @jamahir

U care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts. I see,

While on the other hand
MQM USA organizes a huge protest outside United Nation building while Nawaz Sharif was speaking to the world community - See more at: MQM USA organizes a huge protest outside United Nation building while Nawaz Sharif was speaking to the world community | MQM USA

New York | MQM USA
@Stag112

 

[my2cents]

Stop killing us for being Dalits or we will convert to Islam and than you can kill us over beef rumours or attack us n tell us to move to Pak..

Oh wait .. We are screwed..

Dalits have always been oppressed through millennium. Even Gandhi tried his best to uplift them. In this modern age only education and not religion is the answer for their empowerment.

 

[haviZsultan]

U care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts. I see,

While on the other hand
MQM USA organizes a huge protest outside United Nation building while Nawaz Sharif was speaking to the world community - See more at: MQM USA organizes a huge protest outside United Nation building while Nawaz Sharif was speaking to the world community | MQM USA

New York | MQM USA
@Stag112

MQM is a pseudo migrant terrorist organization who sees itself as more Indian rather than focusing on our struggle for liberation from India. You would think people who lost their families to India would be much more sympathetic to Pakistan and Islamic nationalism. But Altaf betrayed us by calling partition a mistake. MQM is everything that is wrong with migrants today. By moving from one place to another no one becomes muhajir.

 

[jamahir]

I respect your choice but I think loyalists should look at the benefits of freedom rationally. I am as Lucknowi as anyone else. Just one who moved out of his city. Pakistanis are good people. They genuinely care about muslims left in Indian occupied parts so this hostility for the sake of pleasing the Hindus isn't healthy. Think rationally, not under fake guise of Indian nationalism.

Think of it this way. You arguing for muslim rights against the Sanghis are one isolated voice. With Pakistani support you are a powerful stronger voice with the support of 18 crore behind you. Muslims left there should develop a sympathetic image of Pakistan as I have as it is the only land that will support us when we are in trouble. Think of it as someone speaking from personal experience.

@Razia Sultana @Syama Ayas @jamahir

well, mastan khan sahab has a dedicated thread for some of what you say... i have made my points there which in believe is relevant to your points.

please follow the discussion from here ( Muslim Indians Should Demand A Seperate Nation:-- | Page 23 ).

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Before commenting on others first learn to respect your own people.

This was a family feud which was given the spin of a caste attack and morons like you fuel the fire further.

He is a certified moron. By the way both the killers and the killed were Christian converts. This was a case of upper caste Christians setting to fire Dalit Chrisitan home and killing their kids.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Dalits have always been oppressed through millennium. Even Gandhi tried his best to uplift them. In this modern age only education and not religion is the answer for their empowerment.

LOL. Dalits don't need any condescending "upliftment".

They can very well uplift themselves when discrimination ends. Considering we had a Dalit CM, a Dalit President and a OBC PM, I am going to say that discrimination has ended in large parts of India.

This in-spite of active positive discrimination via reservation.

He is a certified moron. By the way both the killers and the killed were Christian converts. This was a case of upper caste Christians setting to fire Dalit Chrisitan home and killing their kids.

WTF ..... seriously ?

Any links ?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

LOL. Dalits don't need any condescending "upliftment".

They can very well uplift themselves when discrimination ends. Considering we had a Dalit CM, a Dalit President and a OBC PM, I am going to say that discrimination has ended in large parts of India.

This in-spite of active positive discrimination via reservation.



WTF ..... seriously ?

Any links ?

It was tweeted by Dr. Swamy and verfied tweet replied by No Conversion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/656684202297982976

 

[ChiefAssasin]

With such an attitude towards their own Dalits, they want Muslims and Christians to do ghar wapasi!

For what? Becoming low caste social outcasts? Hindus seriously need to tackle casteism. It is getting out of hand.

Wont happen unless caste based reservations are ended for good. On one hand they want to end caste discrimination yet you see caste factor bought up in every aspect of education and election. You simply can't appeal to voters unless you bring up caste during elections in states like Bihar and UP.