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If dalits are being killed everyday why you had to start a thread on a month's old incident?
Dalit boy burnt to death in Bihar
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Its not like killing dalits is only crime being done in India. The reason burning of two people was huge news in Pakistan? Because its rarely happen, while dalit is burned in India and no one cares.
How do you know about Modi's caste?
You are that same guy that insult India in the name of races.Am I right?
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In other thread some Indian brahmin told me. No i do not insult Indians on races. Because Indians belong to one race.
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Dear .. again i am saying .. keep that unfortunate Soul in history..
i know Dalits situatuion better than you here .. both on theory and practice on grund..
Dalits are in problem here . yes why.. its hundred yr old bad customs ..
now things are chaging..
our constition of india wrriten by dalit .. Dr. Babasaheb ambedkar
this guy and other made a structre whihc stil hold india togerther and will hold toghtr with heart and soul
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We are trying to remove caste discrimintion and violence
even in Maharastra. which know to be amongs most welthy stats in india and most progessive to as per social movements
now have dalit killing which rocking media here
Triple murder of Dalit family rocks Maharashtra - The Hindu
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we are trying and we will succed as we are on right directiona dn walking ahed to elimiate evil like this
like we remve polio which make people phsycialy challneged
we will remove this caste violence/discrimination which make people mentaly physcal
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Half of India’s dalit population lives in 4 states - The Times of India
Uttar Pradesh stands first with 20.5% of the total scheduled caste (SC) population, followed by West Bengal with 10.7%, says the data released by the Union census directorate on Tuesday. Bihar with 8.2% and Tamil Nadu with 7.2 % come third and fourth. Dalits form around 16.6% of India's population.
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Up and bihar have nottorus record socialy and politicly of caste politics
Uttar Pradesh stands first with 20.5% of the total scheduled caste (SC) population, followed by West Bengal with 10.7%, says the data released by the Union census directorate on Tuesday. Bihar with 8.2% and Tamil Nadu with 7.2 % come third and fourth. Dalits form around 16.6% of India's population.
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Up and bihar have nottorus record socialy and politicly of caste politics
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Capitalism over Caste: The Success of India's 'Untouchable' CEOs
By Patrick de Jacquelot / Les Echos / Worldcrunch Wednesday, Dec. 28, 2011
Rafiq Maqbool / AP
A man holds posters of B.R. Ambedkar for sale on his death anniversary in Mumbai, India, Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2011. Ambedkar was an untouchable, or dalit, who fought British colonial rule and injustice in Indian society. Ambedkar, the chief architect of the Indian Constitution that outlawed discrimination based on caste.
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This post is in partnership with Worldcrunch, a new global-news site that translates stories of note in foreign languages into English. The article below was originally published in Les Echos.
MUMBAI — When the Hindu temple in his hometown began falling apart, Ashok Khade agreed to pay for its reconstruction. He certainly had the means. Khade is CEO and co-owner — along with his brothers — of Das Offshore Engineering, a company that builds equipment for offshore rigs and boasts 20 million euros in annual sales.
Still, the decision was quite remarkable — for one simple reason: as a child, Khade hadn't been allowed inside the temple. Why? Because he's a Dalit, a member of India's "untouchable" caste. From those humblest of beginnings, Khade grew up to become the village's savior and benefactor. "I feel really successful!" he admits with a smile.
(PHOTOS: Colorful Religious Festivals.)
Khade belongs to a very small group of successful Dalit businessmen. But the number of companies founded and led by the men — and few women — of that community is growing, and these new CEOs want it to be known. With the help of the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI), these untouchable entrepreneurs are organizing a big business fair in Mumbai, India's financial capital. "We are going to show off our knowhow to Indian companies and to Indian society as a whole," says DICCI President Milind Kamble.
That Dalits can become millionaires by starting their own businesses is an astonishing phenomenon for Indian society. Heavily discriminated against, Dalits were until recently restricted to the least qualified jobs, like farming — without owning the land of course. The only other option was to work in the public sector, which starting in the second half of the 20th century, began allotting a certain number of slots to the so-called Scheduled Castes, or SCs.
Now, however, as India's economy is being redrawn along free market lines, both types of jobs are disappearing, according to Surinder Jodhka, a caste expert at the Nehru University in Dehli. With no other options available, some untouchables are trying to start businesses of their own. "For young Dalits the solution is often to raise 20,000 rupees (300 euros) and open a shop or a medical office," says Jodhka.
(PHOTOS: American Colleges Set up Shop in India.)
The case for affirmative action
The gradual modernization of the Indian economy has also increased the prestige of starting a business. Milind Kamble is a perfect example. "I'm the son of a small town teacher, in a family with no business tradition. My only advantage was that my family was educated," says Kamble. "When I got my engineering degree, my father really wanted me to get a job in the administration, but I said no. He was furious."
After several years as an employee, Kamble created his own civil engineering company. Today, Future Constructions brings in about 10 million euros per year and Kamble, who always supported the Dalit cause, became a champion of Dalit entrepreneurship. For him, their weapon is "capitalism against castism." Kamble believes the traditional caste system cannot survive in a modern economic environment.
"We were inspired by the American 'affirmative action' policies," he says. "They had black businessmen before having Obama as president!"
Dr. Nanda K.K. describes himself as a pure product of India's own version of affirmative action. "When I was young, even when we had nothing to eat we would study," he recalls. "In the Andhra Pradesh, were I live, there was a system to push Dalits to study, and that's what helped me become a doctor. I had a reserved spot at the university, housing and a scholarship."
After working for 15 years as a small town doctor, Nanda — with the help of subsidies — opened a hospital in Hyderabad, the State capital. Today he manages a hospital with 150 beds and 15 specialized doctors and works on anti-AIDS programs with "Bill Gates Foundation grants." But he dismisses the idea that all this help actually made things too easy. "These programs allow us to have financial stability, that's all. We have to be good doctors in order to succeed," he says.
Still, starting a business remains very difficult for Dalits. "Business is done through networks, especially caste networks," says Surinder Jodhka. "Since Dalits are newcomers, they don't have these kinds of networks. That makes it much more difficult for them to get a loan from a supplier. Most often, they don't have any assets to put up as a guaranty for a bank loan. In other communities, you usually have land or property. There is still prejudice against them. People tend not to trust them."
(PHOTOS: Diwali, the Pan-Indian Festival of Lights.)
To help the development of Dalit capitalism, the Indian government passed a long-awaited measure last month requiring the state and public companies to make 20% of their purchases from Indian businesses. A fifth of those purchases — 4% of the total — will have to be made from businesses belonging to SCs or STs (Scheduled Tribes — members of the country's old tribes.)
For Shandra Bhan Prasad, a Dalit intellectual, it is a "historic" decision that will help the community's businessmen "enter the system." Indeed there is a lot of money at stake for these companies: 4% of public purchases represent more than a billion euros.
"At the beginning there won't be enough Dalit businesses to supply demand," says Digvijay Singhm, one of the leaders of the Congress party and former prime minister of Madhya Pradesh. "But newcomers will emerge to take advantage of the situation."
Resisting a call for quotas
Another often talked about measure involves requiring the private sector to hire quotas of outcasts. The idea, which was part of Indian National Congress President Sonia Gandhi's platform for the 2009 elections, has not been well received by the industry. "We really hope this will never happen. It would be completely inefficient," says Chandrajit Banerjee, the leader of the CII employers' union.
The idea has been floating around for years but major companies are working hard to prove that they are already pushing for Dalit integration and there is no need for government intervention. "The Tata group is a strong supporter of "affirmative action," says CII President B. Muthuraman, who also serves as vice-president for Tata Steel.
Muthuraman claims that 19% of Tata Steel employees are SCs or STs, a figure that corresponds roughly to their share of the population. None of the company's Dalits, however, have high ranking positions. "Not yet," he says. "The road is still long."
Ashok Khade's rags to riches story, in other words, remains something of an anomaly in India. But it's proof that changes are afoot. His success also gives young Dalits a reason to be more optimistic. "I am the first Indian to become the partner of an Abu Dhabi prince," says Khade, who created a joint venture with a group from the Emirates.
— Süddeutsche Zeitung
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Meet India's first Dalit billionaire
All India | NDTV Correspondent | Updated: May 29, 2011 08:24 IST
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-http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103056,00.html
Capitalism over Caste: The Success of India's 'Untouchable' CEOs
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A man holds posters of B.R. Ambedkar for sale on his death anniversary in Mumbai, India, Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2011. Ambedkar was an untouchable, or dalit, who fought British colonial rule and injustice in Indian society. Ambedkar, the chief architect of the Indian Constitution that outlawed discrimination based on caste.
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This post is in partnership with Worldcrunch, a new global-news site that translates stories of note in foreign languages into English. The article below was originally published in Les Echos.
MUMBAI — When the Hindu temple in his hometown began falling apart, Ashok Khade agreed to pay for its reconstruction. He certainly had the means. Khade is CEO and co-owner — along with his brothers — of Das Offshore Engineering, a company that builds equipment for offshore rigs and boasts 20 million euros in annual sales.
Still, the decision was quite remarkable — for one simple reason: as a child, Khade hadn't been allowed inside the temple. Why? Because he's a Dalit, a member of India's "untouchable" caste. From those humblest of beginnings, Khade grew up to become the village's savior and benefactor. "I feel really successful!" he admits with a smile.
(PHOTOS: Colorful Religious Festivals.)
Khade belongs to a very small group of successful Dalit businessmen. But the number of companies founded and led by the men — and few women — of that community is growing, and these new CEOs want it to be known. With the help of the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI), these untouchable entrepreneurs are organizing a big business fair in Mumbai, India's financial capital. "We are going to show off our knowhow to Indian companies and to Indian society as a whole," says DICCI President Milind Kamble.
That Dalits can become millionaires by starting their own businesses is an astonishing phenomenon for Indian society. Heavily discriminated against, Dalits were until recently restricted to the least qualified jobs, like farming — without owning the land of course. The only other option was to work in the public sector, which starting in the second half of the 20th century, began allotting a certain number of slots to the so-called Scheduled Castes, or SCs.
Now, however, as India's economy is being redrawn along free market lines, both types of jobs are disappearing, according to Surinder Jodhka, a caste expert at the Nehru University in Dehli. With no other options available, some untouchables are trying to start businesses of their own. "For young Dalits the solution is often to raise 20,000 rupees (300 euros) and open a shop or a medical office," says Jodhka.
(PHOTOS: American Colleges Set up Shop in India.)
The case for affirmative action
The gradual modernization of the Indian economy has also increased the prestige of starting a business. Milind Kamble is a perfect example. "I'm the son of a small town teacher, in a family with no business tradition. My only advantage was that my family was educated," says Kamble. "When I got my engineering degree, my father really wanted me to get a job in the administration, but I said no. He was furious."
After several years as an employee, Kamble created his own civil engineering company. Today, Future Constructions brings in about 10 million euros per year and Kamble, who always supported the Dalit cause, became a champion of Dalit entrepreneurship. For him, their weapon is "capitalism against castism." Kamble believes the traditional caste system cannot survive in a modern economic environment.
"We were inspired by the American 'affirmative action' policies," he says. "They had black businessmen before having Obama as president!"
Dr. Nanda K.K. describes himself as a pure product of India's own version of affirmative action. "When I was young, even when we had nothing to eat we would study," he recalls. "In the Andhra Pradesh, were I live, there was a system to push Dalits to study, and that's what helped me become a doctor. I had a reserved spot at the university, housing and a scholarship."
After working for 15 years as a small town doctor, Nanda — with the help of subsidies — opened a hospital in Hyderabad, the State capital. Today he manages a hospital with 150 beds and 15 specialized doctors and works on anti-AIDS programs with "Bill Gates Foundation grants." But he dismisses the idea that all this help actually made things too easy. "These programs allow us to have financial stability, that's all. We have to be good doctors in order to succeed," he says.
Still, starting a business remains very difficult for Dalits. "Business is done through networks, especially caste networks," says Surinder Jodhka. "Since Dalits are newcomers, they don't have these kinds of networks. That makes it much more difficult for them to get a loan from a supplier. Most often, they don't have any assets to put up as a guaranty for a bank loan. In other communities, you usually have land or property. There is still prejudice against them. People tend not to trust them."
(PHOTOS: Diwali, the Pan-Indian Festival of Lights.)
To help the development of Dalit capitalism, the Indian government passed a long-awaited measure last month requiring the state and public companies to make 20% of their purchases from Indian businesses. A fifth of those purchases — 4% of the total — will have to be made from businesses belonging to SCs or STs (Scheduled Tribes — members of the country's old tribes.)
For Shandra Bhan Prasad, a Dalit intellectual, it is a "historic" decision that will help the community's businessmen "enter the system." Indeed there is a lot of money at stake for these companies: 4% of public purchases represent more than a billion euros.
"At the beginning there won't be enough Dalit businesses to supply demand," says Digvijay Singhm, one of the leaders of the Congress party and former prime minister of Madhya Pradesh. "But newcomers will emerge to take advantage of the situation."
Resisting a call for quotas
Another often talked about measure involves requiring the private sector to hire quotas of outcasts. The idea, which was part of Indian National Congress President Sonia Gandhi's platform for the 2009 elections, has not been well received by the industry. "We really hope this will never happen. It would be completely inefficient," says Chandrajit Banerjee, the leader of the CII employers' union.
The idea has been floating around for years but major companies are working hard to prove that they are already pushing for Dalit integration and there is no need for government intervention. "The Tata group is a strong supporter of "affirmative action," says CII President B. Muthuraman, who also serves as vice-president for Tata Steel.
Muthuraman claims that 19% of Tata Steel employees are SCs or STs, a figure that corresponds roughly to their share of the population. None of the company's Dalits, however, have high ranking positions. "Not yet," he says. "The road is still long."
Ashok Khade's rags to riches story, in other words, remains something of an anomaly in India. But it's proof that changes are afoot. His success also gives young Dalits a reason to be more optimistic. "I am the first Indian to become the partner of an Abu Dhabi prince," says Khade, who created a joint venture with a group from the Emirates.
— Süddeutsche Zeitung
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Meet India's first Dalit billionaire
All India | NDTV Correspondent | Updated: May 29, 2011 08:24 IST
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- Mumbai: Rajesh Saraiya might be a name that is not known to many but for the people of his community, he is their superhero. Rajesh is India's first Dalit billionaire.
Born in a middle class family in Dehradun, Rajesh studied aeronautical engineering in Russia.
Now based in Ukraine, he runs a multi-national company SteelMont Pvt Ltd that deals in metals.
"People have to change from inside. They have to change their ideology, their mentality and look around the world for what is happening. There are so many opportunities," Saraiya says.
At a conference organised by the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries that aims to bring together Dalit entrepreneurs, there are many success stories.
Saraiya's story is one of them. However, despite being a great achievement, it doesn't reflect the larger Dalit reality.
According to the National Commission for Enterprises in the unorganized sector, 88 per cent of Dalits and Adivasis were spending less than Rs. 20 a day in 2007.
In their own words, the event is not about the past but the future and the aim of the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries is just that - to provide a platform to Dalit entrepreneurs.
"Dalits are second to none as far as intelligence and entrepreneurship is concerned. We only have to give them an opportunity," says J J Irani, Director, Tata Sons.
"We have been trying to bring together Dalit businessmen since 2003. After 2005 we changed the name and formed the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries," adds Milind Kamble, Chairman, DICCI.
Rajesh may be the first Dalit billionaire but given the success stories at this conference, there are bound to be many more 'Rajeshs' in the near future.
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Capitalism over Caste: The Success of India's 'Untouchable' CEOs
By Patrick de Jacquelot / Les Echos / Worldcrunch Wednesday, Dec. 28, 2011
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Rafiq Maqbool / AP
A man holds posters of B.R. Ambedkar for sale on his death anniversary in Mumbai, India, Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2011. Ambedkar was an untouchable, or dalit, who fought British colonial rule and injustice in Indian society. Ambedkar, the chief architect of the Indian Constitution that outlawed discrimination based on caste.
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This post is in partnership with Worldcrunch, a new global-news site that translates stories of note in foreign languages into English. The article below was originally published in Les Echos.
MUMBAI — When the Hindu temple in his hometown began falling apart, Ashok Khade agreed to pay for its reconstruction. He certainly had the means. Khade is CEO and co-owner — along with his brothers — of Das Offshore Engineering, a company that builds equipment for offshore rigs and boasts 20 million euros in annual sales.
Still, the decision was quite remarkable — for one simple reason: as a child, Khade hadn't been allowed inside the temple. Why? Because he's a Dalit, a member of India's "untouchable" caste. From those humblest of beginnings, Khade grew up to become the village's savior and benefactor. "I feel really successful!" he admits with a smile.
(PHOTOS: Colorful Religious Festivals.)
Khade belongs to a very small group of successful Dalit businessmen. But the number of companies founded and led by the men — and few women — of that community is growing, and these new CEOs want it to be known. With the help of the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI), these untouchable entrepreneurs are organizing a big business fair in Mumbai, India's financial capital. "We are going to show off our knowhow to Indian companies and to Indian society as a whole," says DICCI President Milind Kamble.
That Dalits can become millionaires by starting their own businesses is an astonishing phenomenon for Indian society. Heavily discriminated against, Dalits were until recently restricted to the least qualified jobs, like farming — without owning the land of course. The only other option was to work in the public sector, which starting in the second half of the 20th century, began allotting a certain number of slots to the so-called Scheduled Castes, or SCs.
Now, however, as India's economy is being redrawn along free market lines, both types of jobs are disappearing, according to Surinder Jodhka, a caste expert at the Nehru University in Dehli. With no other options available, some untouchables are trying to start businesses of their own. "For young Dalits the solution is often to raise 20,000 rupees (300 euros) and open a shop or a medical office," says Jodhka.
(PHOTOS: American Colleges Set up Shop in India.)
The case for affirmative action
The gradual modernization of the Indian economy has also increased the prestige of starting a business. Milind Kamble is a perfect example. "I'm the son of a small town teacher, in a family with no business tradition. My only advantage was that my family was educated," says Kamble. "When I got my engineering degree, my father really wanted me to get a job in the administration, but I said no. He was furious."
After several years as an employee, Kamble created his own civil engineering company. Today, Future Constructions brings in about 10 million euros per year and Kamble, who always supported the Dalit cause, became a champion of Dalit entrepreneurship. For him, their weapon is "capitalism against castism." Kamble believes the traditional caste system cannot survive in a modern economic environment.
"We were inspired by the American 'affirmative action' policies," he says. "They had black businessmen before having Obama as president!"
Dr. Nanda K.K. describes himself as a pure product of India's own version of affirmative action. "When I was young, even when we had nothing to eat we would study," he recalls. "In the Andhra Pradesh, were I live, there was a system to push Dalits to study, and that's what helped me become a doctor. I had a reserved spot at the university, housing and a scholarship."
After working for 15 years as a small town doctor, Nanda — with the help of subsidies — opened a hospital in Hyderabad, the State capital. Today he manages a hospital with 150 beds and 15 specialized doctors and works on anti-AIDS programs with "Bill Gates Foundation grants." But he dismisses the idea that all this help actually made things too easy. "These programs allow us to have financial stability, that's all. We have to be good doctors in order to succeed," he says.
Still, starting a business remains very difficult for Dalits. "Business is done through networks, especially caste networks," says Surinder Jodhka. "Since Dalits are newcomers, they don't have these kinds of networks. That makes it much more difficult for them to get a loan from a supplier. Most often, they don't have any assets to put up as a guaranty for a bank loan. In other communities, you usually have land or property. There is still prejudice against them. People tend not to trust them."
(PHOTOS: Diwali, the Pan-Indian Festival of Lights.)
To help the development of Dalit capitalism, the Indian government passed a long-awaited measure last month requiring the state and public companies to make 20% of their purchases from Indian businesses. A fifth of those purchases — 4% of the total — will have to be made from businesses belonging to SCs or STs (Scheduled Tribes — members of the country's old tribes.)
For Shandra Bhan Prasad, a Dalit intellectual, it is a "historic" decision that will help the community's businessmen "enter the system." Indeed there is a lot of money at stake for these companies: 4% of public purchases represent more than a billion euros.
"At the beginning there won't be enough Dalit businesses to supply demand," says Digvijay Singhm, one of the leaders of the Congress party and former prime minister of Madhya Pradesh. "But newcomers will emerge to take advantage of the situation."
Resisting a call for quotas
Another often talked about measure involves requiring the private sector to hire quotas of outcasts. The idea, which was part of Indian National Congress President Sonia Gandhi's platform for the 2009 elections, has not been well received by the industry. "We really hope this will never happen. It would be completely inefficient," says Chandrajit Banerjee, the leader of the CII employers' union.
The idea has been floating around for years but major companies are working hard to prove that they are already pushing for Dalit integration and there is no need for government intervention. "The Tata group is a strong supporter of "affirmative action," says CII President B. Muthuraman, who also serves as vice-president for Tata Steel.
Muthuraman claims that 19% of Tata Steel employees are SCs or STs, a figure that corresponds roughly to their share of the population. None of the company's Dalits, however, have high ranking positions. "Not yet," he says. "The road is still long."
Ashok Khade's rags to riches story, in other words, remains something of an anomaly in India. But it's proof that changes are afoot. His success also gives young Dalits a reason to be more optimistic. "I am the first Indian to become the partner of an Abu Dhabi prince," says Khade, who created a joint venture with a group from the Emirates.
— Süddeutsche Zeitung
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Meet India's first Dalit billionaire
All India | NDTV Correspondent | Updated: May 29, 2011 08:24 IST
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- Mumbai: Rajesh Saraiya might be a name that is not known to many but for the people of his community, he is their superhero. Rajesh is India's first Dalit billionaire.
Born in a middle class family in Dehradun, Rajesh studied aeronautical engineering in Russia.
Now based in Ukraine, he runs a multi-national company SteelMont Pvt Ltd that deals in metals.
"People have to change from inside. They have to change their ideology, their mentality and look around the world for what is happening. There are so many opportunities," Saraiya says.
At a conference organised by the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries that aims to bring together Dalit entrepreneurs, there are many success stories.
Saraiya's story is one of them. However, despite being a great achievement, it doesn't reflect the larger Dalit reality.
According to the National Commission for Enterprises in the unorganized sector, 88 per cent of Dalits and Adivasis were spending less than Rs. 20 a day in 2007.
In their own words, the event is not about the past but the future and the aim of the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries is just that - to provide a platform to Dalit entrepreneurs.
"Dalits are second to none as far as intelligence and entrepreneurship is concerned. We only have to give them an opportunity," says J J Irani, Director, Tata Sons.
"We have been trying to bring together Dalit businessmen since 2003. After 2005 we changed the name and formed the Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industries," adds Milind Kamble, Chairman, DICCI.
Rajesh may be the first Dalit billionaire but given the success stories at this conference, there are bound to be many more 'Rajeshs' in the near future.
Story First Published: May 29, 2011 08:05 IS
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'I was one of India's unclean Dalits ... now I am a millionaire' | The National
I was one of India's unclean Dalits ... now I am a millionaire'
AGRA, INDIA // As far back as he can remember, people told Hari Kishan Pippal that he was unclean, with a filthiness that had tainted his family for centuries. Teachers forced him to sit apart from other students. Employers sometimes did not bother to pay him.
Mr Pippal is a Dalit, a member of the outcast community once known as untouchables. Born at the bottom of Hinduism's complex social ladder, that meant he could not eat with people from higher castes or drink from their wells.
He was not supposed to aspire to a life beyond that of his father, an illiterate cobbler. Years later, he still will not repeat the slurs that people called him.
Now, though, people call him something else. They call him rich.
Mr Pippal, 60, owns a hospital, a shoe factory, a car dealership and a publishing company. He has six cars. He lives in a maze of linked apartments in a quiet if dusty neighbourhood of high walls and wrought-iron gates.
"In my heart I am Dalit. But with good clothes, good food, good business, it is like I am high-caste," he said.
Now, he points out, he is richer than most Brahmins, who sit at the top of the caste hierarchy: "I am more than Brahmin!"
The vast majority of India's 170 million Dalits live amid a thicket of grim statistics: less than a third are literate, more than 40 per cent survive on less than US$2 (Dh7.34) a day and infant mortality rates are dramatically higher than among higher castes.
Dalits are far more likely than the overall population to be underweight and far less likely to get postnatal care.
While caste discrimination has been outlawed for more than 60 years and the term "untouchable" is now taboo in public, thousands of anti-Dalit attacks occur every year. Hundreds of people are killed.
The stories spill from India's newspapers: the 14-year-old Dalit strangled because he shared his first name with a higher-caste boy; the 70-year-old man and his disabled daughter burnt alive after a Dalit-owned dog barked at higher-caste neighbours; the man run over at a petrol station because he refused to give up his place in line to a high-caste customer.
But amid centuries of caste tradition that can seem immutable, there has been slow change.
In an extensive survey by the Centre for the Advanced Study of India in the US at the University of Pennsylvania, researchers found that Dalits living in concrete homes, not huts made from mud and straw, had jumped from 18 per cent to 64 per cent between 1990 and 2007 in one north Indian district.
Ownership of various household goods - fans, chairs, pressure cookers and bicycles - had skyrocketed over the same period. The study also found a weakening of some caste traditions, with, for example, far fewer Dalits being seated separately at non-Dalit weddings.
While most Dalits still support themselves as rural labourers, there is also a growing Dalit middle class, many of them civil servants who have benefited from affirmative action laws.
"Caste is losing its grip," said Chandra Bhan Prasad, a Dalit writer, social scientist and one-time Marxist militant who has become a leading voice urging the Dalit poor to see the virtues of capitalism.
In a consumer society, Mr Prasad argues, wealth can trump caste - at least some of the time.
Growing economies also foster urbanisation, he said, allowing low-caste Indians to escape traditional village strictures.
Economic growth also means the traditional merchant castes are not large enough to fill every job.
No one knows how many wealthy Dalit entrepreneurs have emerged since India opened its economy in the early 1990s, sparking some of the world's fastest economic growth. Hundreds certainly, maybe thousands.
They are also increasingly visible and the wealthiest have become darlings of the Indian media, held up as proof that modern India is an increasingly caste-blind society.
This is nonsense, said Anand Teltumbde, a prominent Dalit activist.
"These stories [about successful Dalits] sit well with the middle class," said Mr Teltumbde, who is a grandson of BR Ambedkar, an independence-era Dalit lawyer revered as a hero by Dalits across India. "The entire world has changed ... but the number of well-off Dalits is no more than 10 per cent. Ninety per cent of Dalits live a dilapidated kind of life."
As for Mr Pippal, he finds himself uncomfortably in the middle of this debate. He is a rich Dalit who thinks very little has changed for India's outcasts, a man who credits his own success to hard work and ego.
"From my childhood, I was thinking, 'One day I will be a big man'," he said.
Raised in poverty, he only made it through high school before his father became ill, so he had to go to work pulling a rickshaw to support the family. His first break came when he married a Dalit woman from a slightly better-off family that owned a small shoe workshop.
Mr Pippal shifted the focus of his father-in-law's workshop, concentrating on high-quality shoes and teaching himself languages - English, Tamil, Punjabi, Russian, German - to sell his goods more widely.
Today, he owns a 300-worker factory where 500 handmade shoes are turned out every day, then packed into boxes already marked with prices in euros and British pounds. The expensive ones retail for as much as US$500 a pair.
He used his profits to start a small Honda dealership, then the hospital. Immense profits are being made in India's private healthcare industry, as the new middle class seeks alternatives to the often-questionable care at most public hospitals.
Mr Pippal has proven himself a success. He is rich. He is greeted with respect on the streets. His children went to good schools and grew up with friends from across the caste spectrum.
Yet he believes he often remains, a figure of quiet contempt.
"These people are very bloody clever," Mr Pippal said of the high-caste businessmen with whom he deals. "When there are profits to be made, then everything [about his caste] is OK. But in their mind, they're thinking, 'He is a Dalit'."
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I was one of India's unclean Dalits ... now I am a millionaire'
AGRA, INDIA // As far back as he can remember, people told Hari Kishan Pippal that he was unclean, with a filthiness that had tainted his family for centuries. Teachers forced him to sit apart from other students. Employers sometimes did not bother to pay him.
Mr Pippal is a Dalit, a member of the outcast community once known as untouchables. Born at the bottom of Hinduism's complex social ladder, that meant he could not eat with people from higher castes or drink from their wells.
He was not supposed to aspire to a life beyond that of his father, an illiterate cobbler. Years later, he still will not repeat the slurs that people called him.
Now, though, people call him something else. They call him rich.
Mr Pippal, 60, owns a hospital, a shoe factory, a car dealership and a publishing company. He has six cars. He lives in a maze of linked apartments in a quiet if dusty neighbourhood of high walls and wrought-iron gates.
"In my heart I am Dalit. But with good clothes, good food, good business, it is like I am high-caste," he said.
Now, he points out, he is richer than most Brahmins, who sit at the top of the caste hierarchy: "I am more than Brahmin!"
The vast majority of India's 170 million Dalits live amid a thicket of grim statistics: less than a third are literate, more than 40 per cent survive on less than US$2 (Dh7.34) a day and infant mortality rates are dramatically higher than among higher castes.
Dalits are far more likely than the overall population to be underweight and far less likely to get postnatal care.
While caste discrimination has been outlawed for more than 60 years and the term "untouchable" is now taboo in public, thousands of anti-Dalit attacks occur every year. Hundreds of people are killed.
The stories spill from India's newspapers: the 14-year-old Dalit strangled because he shared his first name with a higher-caste boy; the 70-year-old man and his disabled daughter burnt alive after a Dalit-owned dog barked at higher-caste neighbours; the man run over at a petrol station because he refused to give up his place in line to a high-caste customer.
But amid centuries of caste tradition that can seem immutable, there has been slow change.
In an extensive survey by the Centre for the Advanced Study of India in the US at the University of Pennsylvania, researchers found that Dalits living in concrete homes, not huts made from mud and straw, had jumped from 18 per cent to 64 per cent between 1990 and 2007 in one north Indian district.
Ownership of various household goods - fans, chairs, pressure cookers and bicycles - had skyrocketed over the same period. The study also found a weakening of some caste traditions, with, for example, far fewer Dalits being seated separately at non-Dalit weddings.
While most Dalits still support themselves as rural labourers, there is also a growing Dalit middle class, many of them civil servants who have benefited from affirmative action laws.
"Caste is losing its grip," said Chandra Bhan Prasad, a Dalit writer, social scientist and one-time Marxist militant who has become a leading voice urging the Dalit poor to see the virtues of capitalism.
In a consumer society, Mr Prasad argues, wealth can trump caste - at least some of the time.
Growing economies also foster urbanisation, he said, allowing low-caste Indians to escape traditional village strictures.
Economic growth also means the traditional merchant castes are not large enough to fill every job.
No one knows how many wealthy Dalit entrepreneurs have emerged since India opened its economy in the early 1990s, sparking some of the world's fastest economic growth. Hundreds certainly, maybe thousands.
They are also increasingly visible and the wealthiest have become darlings of the Indian media, held up as proof that modern India is an increasingly caste-blind society.
This is nonsense, said Anand Teltumbde, a prominent Dalit activist.
"These stories [about successful Dalits] sit well with the middle class," said Mr Teltumbde, who is a grandson of BR Ambedkar, an independence-era Dalit lawyer revered as a hero by Dalits across India. "The entire world has changed ... but the number of well-off Dalits is no more than 10 per cent. Ninety per cent of Dalits live a dilapidated kind of life."
As for Mr Pippal, he finds himself uncomfortably in the middle of this debate. He is a rich Dalit who thinks very little has changed for India's outcasts, a man who credits his own success to hard work and ego.
"From my childhood, I was thinking, 'One day I will be a big man'," he said.
Raised in poverty, he only made it through high school before his father became ill, so he had to go to work pulling a rickshaw to support the family. His first break came when he married a Dalit woman from a slightly better-off family that owned a small shoe workshop.
Mr Pippal shifted the focus of his father-in-law's workshop, concentrating on high-quality shoes and teaching himself languages - English, Tamil, Punjabi, Russian, German - to sell his goods more widely.
Today, he owns a 300-worker factory where 500 handmade shoes are turned out every day, then packed into boxes already marked with prices in euros and British pounds. The expensive ones retail for as much as US$500 a pair.
He used his profits to start a small Honda dealership, then the hospital. Immense profits are being made in India's private healthcare industry, as the new middle class seeks alternatives to the often-questionable care at most public hospitals.
Mr Pippal has proven himself a success. He is rich. He is greeted with respect on the streets. His children went to good schools and grew up with friends from across the caste spectrum.
Yet he believes he often remains, a figure of quiet contempt.
"These people are very bloody clever," Mr Pippal said of the high-caste businessmen with whom he deals. "When there are profits to be made, then everything [about his caste] is OK. But in their mind, they're thinking, 'He is a Dalit'."
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Dalit millionaires defy caste system
By Sudha Ramachandran
BANGALORE - India's Dalits (former Untouchables), whose growing electoral influence has been visible for some years, are beginning to slowly reveal their economic muscle. A miniscule but expanding group of first-generation Dalit entrepreneurs has thrown up some millionaires.
This has triggered debate on the role that economic liberalization has played in changing their fortunes.
According to the Dalit Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI), there are over 30 Dalit crorepatis (one whose net wealth exceeds a crore or 10 million rupees - roughly US$205,400) in the country.
While the number of crorepatis is exceedingly small especially since there are around 170 million Dalits in India, the success
stories - most of them are tales of rags to riches - indicate that in the new India, Dalits can begin hoping to figure in Fortune's list of millionaires.
Dalits are at the bottom of India's millennia-old caste hierarchy. They have suffered intense discrimination for centuries, excluded from education and public life and allowed employment only in "dirty" jobs such as cleaning toilets, skinning cows, digging graves, etc. So dirty were Dalits in the eyes of the upper castes that even the shadow of a Dalit falling on an upper-caste person was considered to be polluting.
Consequently, Dalits lived far away from upper-caste settlements. Dalit villages were located so that the air from there would not blow into upper caste homes. They were not allowed into restaurants, temples or other public places. They were forbidden from carrying umbrellas, wearing footwear, shirts or sunglasses.
Although in 1950, Independent India banned the practice of "Untouchability" ie the social, physical and political exclusion of Dalits, and followed it up with the Prevention of Atrocities Act in 1989 and sought to improve literacy and economic well-being of the community through quotas in education and government employment, Dalits continue to suffer severe discrimination and are targets of horrific violence unleashed by dominant castes.
Dalits constitute the overwhelming majority of India's poor, illiterate and hungry. A mere 30.1% of Dalits are literate today compared with the Indian average of 75%. Discrimination against Dalit children in schools forces them to drop out; the Dalit dropout rate is almost 50%. Dalits constitute the bulk of India's landless laborers, its unemployed and underpaid. In India, cleaning of toilets is still a task that only Dalits do.
It is the context of continuing exclusion and ill-treatment of Dalits that makes the emergence and rise of Dalit capitalists all the more spectacular.
In the two decades since India began liberalizing its economy, the number of millionaires and billionaires in the country has grown phenomenally. In 2011, India had 55 (dollar) billionaires, six more than the previous year. Two Indians figure among the 10 richest in the world.
The emergence of Dalit millionaires is a far more dramatic development than that of millionaires in other communities. After all most of them are first generation illiterates.
Take Ashok Khade, for instance. Born in a mud hut in Ped village in Maharashtra, Khade belonged to a family of Chamars, a Dalit subcaste that is among the lowest in the caste hierarchy. One of six children of a poor, illiterate cobbler, Khade's childhood was the typical Dalit story of exclusion.
As a young adult, he worked at the dockyard by day and studied for a diploma in engineering by night, sleeping under staircases as he could not afford to pay rent for a home. Today, the 56-year-old is a millionaire, heading the $100-million DAS Offshore Engineering, an oil rig engineering company with 4,500 people on its payrolls.
Most of the Dalit millionaires have similar stories tell. Their rise to riches was against all odds.
By setting up their own enterprises and investing capital in them, Dalit entrepreneurs are signaling that they are not averse to risk. Several are unwilling to take a chance on discrimination by their dominant caste colleagues. Aware of the reality out there, some have changed or dropped their surnames if these reveal their Dalit origin.
The successful entrepreneurs now they want to help others in the community.
Some are hiring Dalits in their companies. They are also trying to remove hurdles that they encountered when they were starting off as aspiring entrepreneurs.
One such hurdle is access to capital. Although there are government institutions such as the National Scheduled Caste Finance and Development Corporation, that extends loans to Dalits, these loans are small and given in installments. Besides, existing funding mechanisms are largely against collateral. This means they are beyond the reach of a large number of aspiring Dalit entrepreneurs, DICCI's chairman Milind Kamble pointed out.
This prompted DICCI to set up a US$100 million venture capital fund for Dalits last year that is scheduled to open up for business in a few months. Several Dalit millionaires including Khade and Kamble have contributed to this fund.
Another body which has pitched in to help aspiring Dalit entrepreneurs is the Confederation of Indian Industry. Last year it agreed to work with DICCI to increase sourcing of goods and services from Dalit entrepreneurs by 10-20%.
The success of some Dalit entrepreneurs, their entry into the exclusive millionaire club is often attributed to opportunities opened up by economic liberalization.
A recent study by the Center for the Advanced Study of India of the University of Pennsylvania covering 19,071 Dalit households in Bilaria Ganj block in Azamgarh district and Khurja block in Bulandshahr district (both in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh) found that Dalit lifestyles have undergone "massive changes" since 1990.
In terms of asset ownership, for instance, between 1990 and 2007, the proportion of Dalit households in the sample with a television set jumped from 0.9% to 22% in Azamgarh and 0.7% to 45% in Bulandshahr. The study found a "very substantial improvement in housing" with 64.4% and 94.6% in Azamgarh and Bulandshahr respectively reporting they now live in pakka (concrete) housing compared to 18.1% and 38.4% respectively in 1990.
Many are unwilling to attribute the improvement in the Dalit situation to economic liberalization. "Behavioral and lifestyle changes are natural with time and circumstances," Vivek Kumar, sociology professor at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, told The Mint, a business daily.
Others argue that the Dalit situation has in fact worsened with the state increasingly pulling out of health, education, etc since 1990. Denied of subsidies and safety nets that were available pre-1990, Dalits are running into huge debts to pay for healthcare or worse.
Analysts like P Sainath have drawn attention to economic liberalization's impact for India's poorest, the bulk of who are Dalits. This impact has been brutal especially for those in agriculture, which is where most Dalits are employed. Over the past 15 years, over a quarter million farmers - most of them are likely to be Dalits - have committed suicide on account of mounting debt.
Thus not all of India's Dalits have any reason to celebrate liberalization. In fact the majority are not. The phenomenon of Dalit millionaires after all is hardly representative of the Dalit reality.
While liberalization of India's economy has facilitated the emergence of Dalit millionaires, the significant role of literacy and political empowerment - the rise of Dalit politics coincided with liberalization - cannot be ignored. A common feature of the Dalit millionaires is that they have had some education.
While education provided the foundation, liberalization opened up opportunity.
Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore. She can be reached at sudha98@hotmail.com
By Sudha Ramachandran
BANGALORE - India's Dalits (former Untouchables), whose growing electoral influence has been visible for some years, are beginning to slowly reveal their economic muscle. A miniscule but expanding group of first-generation Dalit entrepreneurs has thrown up some millionaires.
This has triggered debate on the role that economic liberalization has played in changing their fortunes.
According to the Dalit Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI), there are over 30 Dalit crorepatis (one whose net wealth exceeds a crore or 10 million rupees - roughly US$205,400) in the country.
While the number of crorepatis is exceedingly small especially since there are around 170 million Dalits in India, the success
stories - most of them are tales of rags to riches - indicate that in the new India, Dalits can begin hoping to figure in Fortune's list of millionaires.
Dalits are at the bottom of India's millennia-old caste hierarchy. They have suffered intense discrimination for centuries, excluded from education and public life and allowed employment only in "dirty" jobs such as cleaning toilets, skinning cows, digging graves, etc. So dirty were Dalits in the eyes of the upper castes that even the shadow of a Dalit falling on an upper-caste person was considered to be polluting.
Consequently, Dalits lived far away from upper-caste settlements. Dalit villages were located so that the air from there would not blow into upper caste homes. They were not allowed into restaurants, temples or other public places. They were forbidden from carrying umbrellas, wearing footwear, shirts or sunglasses.
Although in 1950, Independent India banned the practice of "Untouchability" ie the social, physical and political exclusion of Dalits, and followed it up with the Prevention of Atrocities Act in 1989 and sought to improve literacy and economic well-being of the community through quotas in education and government employment, Dalits continue to suffer severe discrimination and are targets of horrific violence unleashed by dominant castes.
Dalits constitute the overwhelming majority of India's poor, illiterate and hungry. A mere 30.1% of Dalits are literate today compared with the Indian average of 75%. Discrimination against Dalit children in schools forces them to drop out; the Dalit dropout rate is almost 50%. Dalits constitute the bulk of India's landless laborers, its unemployed and underpaid. In India, cleaning of toilets is still a task that only Dalits do.
It is the context of continuing exclusion and ill-treatment of Dalits that makes the emergence and rise of Dalit capitalists all the more spectacular.
In the two decades since India began liberalizing its economy, the number of millionaires and billionaires in the country has grown phenomenally. In 2011, India had 55 (dollar) billionaires, six more than the previous year. Two Indians figure among the 10 richest in the world.
The emergence of Dalit millionaires is a far more dramatic development than that of millionaires in other communities. After all most of them are first generation illiterates.
Take Ashok Khade, for instance. Born in a mud hut in Ped village in Maharashtra, Khade belonged to a family of Chamars, a Dalit subcaste that is among the lowest in the caste hierarchy. One of six children of a poor, illiterate cobbler, Khade's childhood was the typical Dalit story of exclusion.
As a young adult, he worked at the dockyard by day and studied for a diploma in engineering by night, sleeping under staircases as he could not afford to pay rent for a home. Today, the 56-year-old is a millionaire, heading the $100-million DAS Offshore Engineering, an oil rig engineering company with 4,500 people on its payrolls.
Most of the Dalit millionaires have similar stories tell. Their rise to riches was against all odds.
By setting up their own enterprises and investing capital in them, Dalit entrepreneurs are signaling that they are not averse to risk. Several are unwilling to take a chance on discrimination by their dominant caste colleagues. Aware of the reality out there, some have changed or dropped their surnames if these reveal their Dalit origin.
The successful entrepreneurs now they want to help others in the community.
Some are hiring Dalits in their companies. They are also trying to remove hurdles that they encountered when they were starting off as aspiring entrepreneurs.
One such hurdle is access to capital. Although there are government institutions such as the National Scheduled Caste Finance and Development Corporation, that extends loans to Dalits, these loans are small and given in installments. Besides, existing funding mechanisms are largely against collateral. This means they are beyond the reach of a large number of aspiring Dalit entrepreneurs, DICCI's chairman Milind Kamble pointed out.
This prompted DICCI to set up a US$100 million venture capital fund for Dalits last year that is scheduled to open up for business in a few months. Several Dalit millionaires including Khade and Kamble have contributed to this fund.
Another body which has pitched in to help aspiring Dalit entrepreneurs is the Confederation of Indian Industry. Last year it agreed to work with DICCI to increase sourcing of goods and services from Dalit entrepreneurs by 10-20%.
The success of some Dalit entrepreneurs, their entry into the exclusive millionaire club is often attributed to opportunities opened up by economic liberalization.
A recent study by the Center for the Advanced Study of India of the University of Pennsylvania covering 19,071 Dalit households in Bilaria Ganj block in Azamgarh district and Khurja block in Bulandshahr district (both in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh) found that Dalit lifestyles have undergone "massive changes" since 1990.
In terms of asset ownership, for instance, between 1990 and 2007, the proportion of Dalit households in the sample with a television set jumped from 0.9% to 22% in Azamgarh and 0.7% to 45% in Bulandshahr. The study found a "very substantial improvement in housing" with 64.4% and 94.6% in Azamgarh and Bulandshahr respectively reporting they now live in pakka (concrete) housing compared to 18.1% and 38.4% respectively in 1990.
Many are unwilling to attribute the improvement in the Dalit situation to economic liberalization. "Behavioral and lifestyle changes are natural with time and circumstances," Vivek Kumar, sociology professor at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, told The Mint, a business daily.
Others argue that the Dalit situation has in fact worsened with the state increasingly pulling out of health, education, etc since 1990. Denied of subsidies and safety nets that were available pre-1990, Dalits are running into huge debts to pay for healthcare or worse.
Analysts like P Sainath have drawn attention to economic liberalization's impact for India's poorest, the bulk of who are Dalits. This impact has been brutal especially for those in agriculture, which is where most Dalits are employed. Over the past 15 years, over a quarter million farmers - most of them are likely to be Dalits - have committed suicide on account of mounting debt.
Thus not all of India's Dalits have any reason to celebrate liberalization. In fact the majority are not. The phenomenon of Dalit millionaires after all is hardly representative of the Dalit reality.
While liberalization of India's economy has facilitated the emergence of Dalit millionaires, the significant role of literacy and political empowerment - the rise of Dalit politics coincided with liberalization - cannot be ignored. A common feature of the Dalit millionaires is that they have had some education.
While education provided the foundation, liberalization opened up opportunity.
Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore. She can be reached at sudha98@hotmail.com
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