Dalai Lama Documented Still CIA, Paid to Keep Tibet a "Running Sore"

[Beast]

I admire this old man.

He was chased out of his home and his country when he was a kid. He could have done a Masood or a Hafiz Saeed and encouraged extremism in Tibet, given his blessings to the formation of a an armed militia, fermented trouble, taken on the party internationally and created havoc. Instead he mostly stays or visits monastaries, has advised his followers to eschew violence and has not, IMO and to my knowledge, uttered a sentence that is incendiary or provocative despite his international standing - that dwarfs Xi and the rest by a mile.

Whatever the legitimacy of China's claim to Tibet, their behaviour towards the Dalai Lama is miserable. I would not treat a stray dog in such a manner. The way the official reaction explodes each time the Dalai Lama meets a head of state or travels to a country that is not in China's pocketbook is incredible and reinforces the perceptions of China no matter how well its economy does or how big its army.

If he is such a menace, why doesn't China initiate a resolution to label him a terrorist - or request interpol to issue a notice against him? For all its posturing China has not even dared to convict this man in their own courts.

I've noticed the government of Pakistan is conspicuously silent on the Dalai Lama. Since China is the new bestie on the block why not condemn him. After all, that's what iron brothers are for.

China could send send a top sniper and just end this miserable fake monk life like how Israel Mossad killed rival of Israel. But China did not.

 

[schoolboy]

China could send send a top sniper and just end this miserable fake monk life like how Israel Mossad killed rival of Israel. But China did not.

But China chooses not to - why do you think that is? Surely not because of China's dislike of violence.

But you continue to evade my earlier question - how come China has not yet:

1. Framed charges against the Dalai Lama ?
2. Demand he stand trial?
3. Proclaim him a declare offender?
4. Tried or convicted him in absentia?
5. Requested formally for his extradition /deportation?
6. Submitted to the UN a dossier containing evidence of his 'terrorism' or 'crimes'?
7. Asked Interpol to issue a red-corner notice against him?

Still no answer.

A country which butcher and torture people in Kashmir in daily basis has the face to talk about cruelty ? My god... with a butcher as your Modi and you talk about how Chinese president perceived in the world, certainly not as good as US presidents who send troops around the world doing killing and bombing. You can keep that Dalai lama and you can even install him as your president is you like him this much. We need a reason to fight India and we are happy to have one.

Why so angry?

If China believes Modi is a butcher why not submit a 'dossier' on his crimes to the UN? Why not circulate a UN resolution accusing him of crimes against humanity? Why not cut off diplomatic relations with his government?

Same for Kashmir. At least Pakistan makes a pretense of submitting 'evidence' to the UN on crimes committed by Indian troops in Kashmir every few years.

With an attitude like yours you exemplify the stereotype perpetuated of China.

Indians are tolerated despite their inefficiency, corruption, attitude to women, cheapness, slums

Chinese are disliked despite their economic success, gleaming bullet trains and military muscle

I think we can both agree that India has hardly used the Dalai Lama as a political tool except for providing asylum - a decision that was correct since no country in the world in the last 55 years (since he got asylum) has supported China on this issue. In fact he is encouraged to keep a low profile.

 

[beijingwalker]

But China chooses not to - why do you think that is? Surely not because of China's dislike of violence.

But you continue to evade my earlier question - how come China has not yet:

1. Framed charges against the Dalai Lama ?
2. Demand he stand trial?
3. Proclaim him a declare offender?
4. Tried or convicted him in absentia?
5. Requested formally for his extradition /deportation?
6. Submitted to the UN a dossier containing evidence of his 'terrorism' or 'crimes'?
7. Asked Interpol to issue a red-corner notice against him?

Still no answer.

Why does China need to do that? exile government operating in enemy territory is nothing new in the history, typical insecure Indian mind . We don't ask for deportation of Taiwan's president, but we can still block them in every possible way.

But China chooses not to - why do you think that is? Surely not because of China's dislike of violence.

But you continue to evade my earlier question - how come China has not yet:

1. Framed charges against the Dalai Lama ?
2. Demand he stand trial?
3. Proclaim him a declare offender?
4. Tried or convicted him in absentia?
5. Requested formally for his extradition /deportation?
6. Submitted to the UN a dossier containing evidence of his 'terrorism' or 'crimes'?
7. Asked Interpol to issue a red-corner notice against him?

Still no answer.



Why so angry?

If China believes Modi is a butcher why not submit a 'dossier' on his crimes to the UN? Why not circulate a UN resolution accusing him of crimes against humanity? Why not cut off diplomatic relations with his government?
.

You can also do that to Chinese president Xi or even Mao since you believed he was a murderer, don't be naive, how old are you anyway

India is hosting him and his "exile Tibetan government", enough said, This so called Tibet government has no hope and India successful made itself a perpetual arch enemy which India can never match in power.

 

[schoolboy]

Why does China need to do that? exile government operating in enemy territory is nothing new in the history, typical insecure Indian mind . We don't ask for deportation of Taiwan's president, but we can still block them in every possible way.

You can also do that to Chinese president Xi or even Mao since you believed he was a murderer, don't be naive, how old are you anyway

India is hosting him and his "exile Tibetan government", enough said, This so called Tibet government has no hope and India successful made itself a perpetual arch enemy which India can never match in power.

Correction. No Indian government has ever said Xi or Mao was a murderer. You are welcome to cite a single news report or link suggesting so. [Some scholars of human rights may have accused Mao of atrocities - but AFAIK the government has never cared to endorse such views. As a matter of fact most such scholars are western, not Indian]

The point is not whether you or I believe Mao or Dalai Lama committed crimes. We are private citizens (at least I am). If a government believes so and publicly says so it is bound to prosecute him or be discredited.

Look at the fuss Indian government makes on Masood Azhar - something China enjoys in opposing. At least Masood has been convicted under Indian law if nothing else and is also chargesheeted with other alleged crimes. But with the Dalai Lama China either has no evidence or does not have the courage to take firm action.

 

[TaiShang]

Nobody in the CPC including Xi Jinping and company can even imagine that kind of respect and reputation that Dalai Lama commands.

Ma Yun (Jack Ma) has a greater reputation. Even pandas have a greater reputation and fame.

The old man is being utilized not respected.

 

[schoolboy]

Ma Yun (Jack Ma) has a greater reputation. Even pandas have a greater reputation and fame.

The old man is being utilized not respected.

So many prominent and famous Chinese folks -- and you mention Jack Ma !?

Have you ever asked yourself this -- why does everybody (except China) entertain the Dalai Lama, meet with him, pose for photos - despite the real threat of a bad relations in China which is important for most countries, including the US.

Either they know he is a criminal as you suggest and they are all against China

or

They don't share that view, believe China is paranoid about him and prefer to uphold their principles even at the cost of bad relations (not an easy decision).

Unlike the terrorists whom China takes delight in supporting the Dalai Lama has time and again stressed on shunning violence and not resorting to armed responses - in relation to the Tibetan issue. India gave him political asylum but does not officially treat Tibet as disputed - which it could, had it wanted to stir trouble.

 

[TaiShang]

So many prominent and famous Chinese folks -- and you mention Jack Ma !?

Have you ever asked yourself this -- why does everybody (except China) entertain the Dalai Lama, meet with him, pose for photos - despite the real threat of a bad relations in China which is important for most countries, including the US.

Either they know he is a criminal as you suggest and they are all against China

or

They don't share that view, believe China is paranoid about him and prefer to uphold their principles even at the cost of bad relations (not an easy decision).

Unlike the terrorists whom China takes delight in supporting the Dalai Lama has time and again stressed on shunning violence and not resorting to armed responses - in relation to the Tibetan issue. India gave him political asylum but does not officially treat Tibet as disputed - which it could, had it wanted to stir trouble.

No need to engage in argument over something we have little influence.

Just let the old man die in peace in his new home.

Let him be.

 

[lonelyman]

I admire this old man.

He was chased out of his home and his country when he was a kid. He could have done a Masood or a Hafiz Saeed and encouraged extremism in Tibet, given his blessings to the formation of a an armed militia, fermented trouble, taken on the party internationally and created havoc. Instead he mostly stays or visits monastaries, has advised his followers to eschew violence and has not, IMO and to my knowledge, uttered a sentence that is incendiary or provocative despite his international standing - that dwarfs Xi and the rest by a mile.

Whatever the legitimacy of China's claim to Tibet, their behaviour towards the Dalai Lama is miserable. I would not treat a stray dog in such a manner. The way the official reaction explodes each time the Dalai Lama meets a head of state or travels to a country that is not in China's pocketbook is incredible and reinforces the perceptions of China no matter how well its economy does or how big its army.

If he is such a menace, why doesn't China initiate a resolution to label him a terrorist - or request interpol to issue a notice against him? For all its posturing China has not even dared to convict this man in their own courts.

I've noticed the government of Pakistan is conspicuously silent on the Dalai Lama. Since China is the new bestie on the block why not condemn him. After all, that's what iron brothers are for.

Kid, grow up. He tried all that with CIA help in 50 and 60s, but failed miserably

 

[Post Colonnial]

A country which butcher and torture people in Kashmir in daily basis has the face to talk about cruelty ? My god... with a butcher as your Modi and you talk about how Chinese president perceived in the world, certainly not as good as US presidents who send troops around the world doing killing and bombing. You can keep that Dalai lama and you can even install him as your president is you like him this much. We need a reason to fight India and we are happy to have one.

As it must be amply clear, opinions of Chinese in matters of human rights, development and ethics are of zero consequence so you can whine about Modi or Americans all you want. Just today I see reports of CPC telling schools to rewrite history and teach kids that war with Japan was 7 years longer; and professors of university have been warned that they cannot teach material that may be critical of CPC! No wonder you guys come out brainwashed into believing the type of falsehoods you write!

Anyway, I strongly encourage you to read and learn about Bhuddhism, the Dalai Lama and general knowledge.

Ma Yun (Jack Ma) has a greater reputation. Even pandas have a greater reputation and fame.

The old man is being utilized not respected.

Certainly JAck Ma has accomplished something and deserves great respect. Pandas....sure. And so has Dalai Lama. It is not a monopoly.

 

[beijingwalker]

I think Indians maybe think that hosing an exile government is the best way to befriend a neighbor, China should take a leaf from India's book and host some India's exile governments in China.

 

[Kaniska]

Kid, grow up. He tried all that with CIA help in 50 and 60s, but failed miserably

Ok, for sake of argument. I will go by your logic. If he is not so popular and no one in Tibet really care about him? Why so much fuss by China for such insignificant person??? In your mind, Azar Mahmood is not technically a terrorist and Dalai Lama is a terrorist?? How will you justify it.

And come on guys..You guys are going to be another super power in coming years...I really do not see Dalai Lama is engaging in any terrorist activity like any other terrorist people operate in world...Why so much of fuss all about??

 

[beijingwalker]

Dalai Lama is a known CIA agent used against China is a known fact and proved by multiple sources, the fact that India is hosting an anti China exile government is something that can never be forgiven by the Chinese people, that's also very obvious, as for China's international image, there are polls coming out from around world every single year and China's image is pretty good , we especially enjoy a very good image in Africa, middle east and Latin America. Indians brain washed mind tells them that the world is the west which is hilarious. India may think that Dalai Lama is a card which India can use when dealing with China, the fact is the Dalai Lama is just an excuse that China desires to fight India.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

That's not paranoia. Major states do not act on emotions. The diplomatic reaction told in a professional language has a purpose.

Paranoia is if a national leader has the urge to go out and declare his country a super power.

A country which butcher and torture people in Kashmir in daily basis has the face to talk about cruelty ? My god... with a butcher as your Modi and you talk about how Chinese president perceived in the world, certainly not as good as US presidents who send troops around the world doing killing and bombing. You can keep that Dalai lama and you can even install him as your president is you like him this much. We need a reason to fight India and we are happy to have one.

One Chinese member just contradicted the other. One said that they are not paranoid about DL and the other said that DL is an excuse for fighting India.

 

[TaiShang]

One Chinese member just contradicted the other. One said that they are not paranoid about DL and the other said that DL is an excuse for fighting India.

He was just being hypothetical. For DL, China really has so many greater things to worry about, development coming first at the top of the list, and catching up with the likes of Japan and Germany in industrial sophistication.

DL is an old story. He would matter in the 1990s. Times have changed. For instance, I am a researcher and I have no urge to study DL; my time is spent for research on Belt and Road, naval development, SCS, good governance, international governance etc.

Discourse has changed a lot in Mainland China and even I can witness it from Taiwan.

 

[beijingwalker]

One Chinese member just contradicted the other. One said that they are not paranoid about DL and the other said that DL is an excuse for fighting India.

What's the contradiction here?