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CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

Oh come on ! This is not a rumour but simply an uneducated discussion from fan-boys and dreamers: Even if the true 002 will get such a catapult, so far nothing real has been seen and this is only a demo-module, well known since some years. In fact a sub-scale module.

Deino
Westerner's mind is straight, and We Chinese are sinuous. It's a sub scale module only, but it means we shall have some experiments on those EMALS. If you gonna achieve something big, you shall have the gut to dream. We also have lots of plan to build something out of the box.
 
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It is not running away from justice. You are providing a service for non-Chinese. They come here for the latest Chinese news and rumors (which more often than not turns out true as we both know.) If they do not appreciate it then don't help them.

But it is your choice and I respect that, Grey.
There are lot of sections you can hang around, I like to post in PAF/BD/India section.
 
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@grey boy 2 & @GiantPanda, ... just an open word.

To admit; I can understand that it might sometimes be hard for some here to accept another opinion esp. if its a foreigner's one; some might even think I'm not too much open-minded, but to post any random Internet claim - like the post "Rumors that installation of "EMALS" has been going on the "002"

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/type-002-aircraft-carrier-news-discussions.416166/page-19#ixzz4XG9Dvu5o

and showing images + a Chinese text that are clearly not the Type 002, then I cannot understand Your reply.

Why is it so impossible to simply admit that this is not yet 002 and if even read what I replied You would have noticed that it was not meant as an insult but simply a correction.

As such, all I beg is to calm down, to read properly what others wrote and to give an English translation, since this can exclude these misunderstandings. Please take note, that not each and every critical request, not every correction of blatant errors is an offence ...

Or am I wrong ???

Deino
 
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Purported picture of full-size prototype of electromagnetic catapult.


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If this is not the correct thread to post, let me know.
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China will not adopt highly advanced electromagnetic take-off technology on its second domestically built aircraft carrier but instead rely on a conventional system, naval experts say.

TheType 002 vessel the country’s third aircraft carrier after the Liaoning and the Type 001A carrier under construction in Dalian – would be equipped with at least three conventional steam launch catapults, a source close to the navy told the South China Morning Post.

But it would be the first Chinese aircraft carrier to use this type of launch system.

“There are still some technical problems applying nuclear propulsion to the carrier platform, so the Type 002 will still use steam catapults,” the source said.







“But this is still a breakthrough compared with Liaoning and the Type 001A carrier, both of which are equipped with ski-jump ramps.

“It will [also] take a couple of years for the newest carrier to enter full service after its launch, as it takes two or three years to train carrier-based pilots.”

Professor Jin Yinan, a former director of the strategic research institute at the People’s Liberation Army National Defence University, said in December that construction of the Type 002 started at the Jiangnan Changxingdao shipyard in Shanghai in March 2015.

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Hong Kong-based military expert Liang Guoliang said China planned to produce two Type 002 carriers, each with a displacement of 85,000 tonnes, which would make them the biggest Chinese carriers. The Liaoning is about 55,000 tonnes while the Type 001A will be 70,000 tonnes.

The first Type 002 carrier was expected to be launched in about 2021, Liang added.

There had been speculation that the Type 002 could be a nuclear-powered vessel with an electromagnetic take-off system.

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But Li Jie, a Beijing-based military expert, said it would be impossible to develop a completely new generation carrier in just a few years.

“Different systems need different technology, technicians and pilots,” Li said.

“For example, the Type 001A is scheduled to be launched later this year, but it will take several more years to develop as part of a real battle group before entering full service in the navy.”

Meanwhile, Andrei Chang, founder of military magazine Kanwa Asian Defence, said the Type 001A was “purely a copycat” of the Varyag, which was laid down as a Kuznetsov-class carrier for the Soviet navy in the 1970s, before it was sold to China and refurbished as the Liaoning.

Li said that while the appearance of the Type 001A may be similar to the Liaoning, its layout, interior equipment and overall operational concept would be more advanced than the Liaoning.

Li said one difference was the Type 001’s take-off ramp slope of 12 degrees, compared with 14 degrees for the Liaoning.

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The 12-degree ramp would help fighters shorten their take-off distance, save fuel and increase their weapons payload while strengthening the ship’s structure,Li said.

“There are different operational concepts between the Liaoning and Type 001A,” he said.

“Based on the Varyag design, the Liaoning was designedwith both weapons systems and aircraft in an equally important layout, but the Type 001A has learned from US carriers to focus on how to make aircraft on board more functional.”

According to Li, certain weapons were excluded from the Type 001A platform to allow more carrier-based J-15 parking. The hanger was also being expanded to allow the new carrier to carry between six and eight more J-15 fighter jets than the Liaoning.

“The control tower island on the deck was shrunk 10 per cent, which allow the deck to dock more helicopters and fixed-wing early-warning aircraft,” he said, adding that four weapons sponsons, or projections, on the aft deck had been dismantled.

S-band radars with four large antennae would be installed on the top of control tower, he said.

The system is China’s most advanced and is capable of covering a 360-degree search field to scout dozens of targets in the air and at sea.

Four HQ-10 short-range air defence missiles systems with 24 tubes would also deployed on the new ship, Li said.

Beijing’s second aircraft carrier ‘takes shape’ after two years, nine months of construction

This weapons system is also mounted on the navy’s most advanced Type 052D destroyers and Type 056 frigates.

However, Macau-based military observerAntony Wong Dong said the country’s limited production capacity for carrier-based J-15s might hinder the 001A entering full service on schedule.

“The Liaoning was designed to carry up to one aviation regiment, or 24 carrier-based fighters.

“But the vessel so far has got only about 20 carrier-based J-15 because the [state-owned] Aeroengine Corporation has not yet developed a reliable replacement for the Russian-produced AL-31 models.

“It’s likely that the Type 001A will face the same problems as the Liaoning.”

-SCMP

Interesting read.
 
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Type 002 will use catapult and conventional power. China still lags behind USA a lot, we need to work harder. General Ying Zhuo said the newly developed Nuclear reactor is not ready yet. It's a stop gap. Nuclear reactor is a must for EMALS.

In some fields they are true. In some other fields, the opposite are also true. But generally speaking, there are still many things to learn and catch up.

Nevertheless, complacency is being ignorant, and is part of the failure.

Pride cometh before a fall! 骄兵必败!
落后就要挨打,这是中国人民从屡遭外来侵略的悲惨经历中得出的刻骨铭心的教训。
 
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If work began on Carrier 002 in March 2015, i presume that was for the first steel cutting for the first modules. Can we therefore expect to see evidence of completed modules later this year.......or will it take longer?
Plus, if the displacement figure of 80,000 tonnes is correct, this will make 002 the largest conventional carrier in the world, even larger than the UK's 2 QE class carriers!
 
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Oh come on ! This is not a rumour but simply an uneducated discussion from fan-boys and dreamers: Even if the true 002 will get such a catapult, so far nothing real has been seen and this is only a demo-module, well known since some years. In fact a sub-scale module.

Deino


I can't understand why these fan boys can't be rational.

I just hope the actual leadership OF PLAN is more mature.

Type 002 will use catapult and conventional power. China still lags behind USA a lot, we need to work harder. General Ying Zhuo said the newly developed Nuclear reactor is not ready yet. It's a stop gap. Nuclear reactor is a must for EMALS.


What is the tonnage of Shandong?

Is it bigger or smaller than Liaoning?
 
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I can't understand why these fan boys can't be rational.

I just hope the actual leadership OF PLAN is more mature.




What is the tonnage of Shandong?

Is it bigger or smaller than Liaoning?
Same or even little bit smaller in tonnage. But the configuration setup will be more compact. can hold one or two more J15 on the flying deck.
 
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Same or even little bit smaller in tonnage. But the configuration setup will be more compact. can hold one or two more J15 on the flying deck.

But I am hearing tonnage of 70000 tones, in both the article mentioned just before.

Wouldn't that make it bigger than Liaoning?
 
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But I am hearing tonnage of 70000 tones, in both the article mentioned just before.

Wouldn't that make it bigger than Liaoning?

To admit I would not rate this a reliable report and once reading the words "Meanwhile, Andrei Chang, founder of military magazine Kanwa Asian Defence," I stopped reading.
 
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